Why was Bose diminished on Republic Day?

[Indo-guy]

Lol
Its only now I realised that this is an year old thread, I 've no idea how I landed on this thread.
And if you think I brought in Nehru without any reason then this is what was given in OP

I hope you've read the OP too.

And nobody is venting out their frustration here, other than you.

Yes I had read opening article . question is whether you read it ?

I am sure you did not read the article ...

may be you read just one line " Bose is an embarrassment to Congress because he challenged Gandhi, and was a powerful parallel icon to Nehru."

There is this only single line which mentions Nehru . the article itself is without any substance.

It's only purpose is to tarnish image of Gandhi and it is full of lies - like how Gandhi fought for British in boers war .

Gandhiji volunteered for medical corps and was involved in care of wounded ...he was not there holding weapons , killing people .

But off course people like you who are biased ... jump the guns and add to the similar rants by adding your own .

Just because the word Nehru is mentioned one time in the article ...you dragged Nehru ?

and you just not stopped on saying that he was one with bloated ego but also one who divided India .


Do you see how easily you jumped to say something as malicious and as abominable as that ?

just hint of name of Nehru ...and you are ready to vomit out all your frustrations .


Read the whole article ... try to understand what it is saying ....try to ask intelligent questions like what is the purpose of article and is it based on facts or speculation .

do check the date and title of article .

think for a moment or to and then post your reply .


you seem to be blindly replying to posts to vent your pent up anger and frustrations ...without reading properly .

 

[Levina]

Yes I had read opening article . question is whether you read it ?

I am sure you did not read the article ...

may be you read just one line " Bose is an embarrassment to Congress because he challenged Gandhi, and was a powerful parallel icon to Nehru."

There is this only single line which mentions Nehru . the article itself is without any substance.

And there is only a single line in my post which mentions Nehru, about which you're creating such hullabaloo.

It's only purpose is to tarnish image of Gandhi and it is full of lies - like how Gandhi fought for British in boers war.
Gandhiji volunteered for medical corps and was involved in care of wounded ...he was not there holding weapons , killing people .

Its not about him holding guns and firing shots, its about Gandhiji's loyalty.

When the Boer War exploded in 1899, Gandhi’s sympathy lay with the Boers, but he remained loyal to the British. He felt that since he demanded rights as a British subject he was obliged to participate in the war on behalf of the Empire.

Gandhi's Life - Part 05 - The Progress Report
I find that logic weird.

But off course people like you who are biased ... jump the guns and add to the similar rants by adding your own .

Just because the word Nehru is mentioned one time in the article ...you dragged Nehru ?

and you just not stopped on saying that he was one with bloated ego but also one who divided India .

Yes I did!
It was Jinnah and Nehru's bloated egos that led to India's partition.
Btw the article was not just about Netaji but also about partition, INA and about how netaji was ignored by prominent Indian leaders.

Do you see how easily you jumped to say something as malicious and as abominable as that ?

just hint of name of Nehru ...and you are ready to vomit out all your frustrations .

Read the whole article ... try to understand what it is saying ....try to ask intelligent questions like what is the purpose of article and is it based on facts or speculation .
do check the date and title of article .

think for a moment or to and then post your reply .
you seem to be blindly replying to posts to vent your pent up anger and frustrations ...without reading properly .

And you seem to launch a vituperative attack on me everytime you see me mention Nehru in my posts.

 

[Indo-guy]

And there is only a single line in my post which mentions Nehru, about which you're creating such hullabaloo. .

This is not question of single line .. this questions of your prejudices which made you pounce on Nehru for no reason ...

Its not about him holding guns and firing shots, its about Gandhiji's loyalty.


Gandhi's Life - Part 05 - The Progress Report
I find that logic weird.
.

Gandhi just volunteered for caring of wounded soldiers .
Yes ...many of his logics on cursory will look weird !

have you read his autobiography ... ?

if not then you should ..because it will tell you something about evolution of his philosophy and life .

Yes I did!
It was Jinnah and Nehru's bloated egos that led to India's partition.
Btw the article was not just about Netaji but also about partition, INA and about how netaji was ignored by prominent Indian leaders. .

That is very very simplistic take on such a complex historical tragedy !

Yes there were ego clashes ...

but it is not as you think that both of them carved out empires for themselves because they could not share it .

Partition was inevitable ...

It was a fruit of venom tree that British sowed in 1905 with partition of Bengal .

And you seem to launch a vituperative attack on me everytime you see me mention Nehru in my posts.

No . I am not launching vituperative attack against you because of your posts on Nehru .
that's what you feel .

I feel sorry that people who have not studied history and have distorted perception of it . make truth out of internet stories and opinions they read somewhere .

The vicious circle of perpetuation of lie and misinformation continues ....people like you post it and people like @DRAY read and thank it and carry the rubbish in their head forever as infallible truth .

 

[dray]

And there is only a single line in my post which mentions Nehru, about which you're creating such hullabaloo.


Its not about him holding guns and firing shots, its about Gandhiji's loyalty.


Gandhi's Life - Part 05 - The Progress Report
I find that logic weird.


Yes I did!
It was Jinnah and Nehru's bloated egos that led to India's partition.
Btw the article was not just about Netaji but also about partition, INA and about how netaji was ignored by prominent Indian leaders.


And you seem to launch a vituperative attack on me everytime you see me mention Nehru in my posts.

In both the World Wars Indian soldiers sacrificed a lot in terms of blood & lives just to protect the British empire, and key Congress leaders supported the move. As the article by M.J. Akbar correctly points out, Netaji's Azad Hind Fauj (or Indian National Army) showed the Indian soldiers fighting for the British where there loyalties should lie.

Netaji knew that his INA won't be able to defeat the British all on its own, but his plan was to awaken the nationalistic sentiments among the Indians in uniforms serving the British and spark a mutiny against the British Raj, since British Raj in India was dependent on the loyalties of the Indian armed forces serving for the British, but the targeted vilification campaign against him in Indian political classes in tune with the British media campaign confused the Indian populace and deterred his goals. The mutiny did happen ultimately, when the INA officers were put on trial. Many historians recognize that the resulting Mumbai Mutiny or Royal Indian Navy (RIN) Mutiny did shaken the grounds of British Raj in India and was the key reason for the independence of India, though Gandhiji condemned the mutiny.

 

[Levina]

This is not question of single line .. this questions of your prejudices which made you pounce on Nehru for no reason ...

Why do you sympathise with him??
And what kind of prejudice 're you talking about??
He's applauded by all for keeping India secular, also for making Nonalignment a consistent feature of Indian foreign policy etc, but he had made many blunders too. Would you deny that?

Gandhi just volunteered for caring of wounded soldiers .
Yes ...many of his logics on cursory will look weird !

I have found many of Gandhi's books and logic weird.

That is very very simplistic take on such a complex historical tragedy !

Yes there were ego clashes ...

but it is not as you think that both of them carved out empires for themselves because they could not share it .

Partition was inevitable ...

It was a fruit of venom tree that British sowed in 1905 with partition of Bengal .

I gave just one of the reasons which led to partition, I have never avowed it to be the only reason for partition.

No . I am not launching vituperative attack against you because of your posts on Nehru .
that's what you feel .

Yes I feel so.

I feel sorry that people who have not studied history and have distorted perception of it . make truth out of internet stories and opinions they read somewhere .

Every history book has its own version and unfortunately ppl like you harbor skewed view of history and always look down upon others whose opinion differs from yours.

The vicious circle of perpetuation of lie and misinformation continues ....people like you post it and people like@@DRAY read and thank it and carry the rubbish in their head forever as infallible truth .

So is that your problem??
Most prolly me and him 're like-minded ppl ergo you should not be surprised by the number of likes we give each other.

 

[Indo-guy]

Why do you sympathise with him??
And what kind of prejudice 're you talking about??
He's applauded by all for keeping India secular, also for making Nonalignment a consistent feature of Indian foreign policy etc, but he had made many blunders too. Would you deny that?
.

No doubt that Nehru committed blunders ...for which our country is still paying .
all I say is that we should take balanced view of a historic figures like Nehru, Gandhi , Netaji and so on ...

They were all human beings ..imperfect as we all are with flaws and failures .

I feel sorry when people use those flaws to degrade the whole person . It applies to all .

I never said that Nehru is perfect or denied his blunders .

Every history book has its own version and unfortunately ppl like you harbor skewed opinions and always look down upon others, with opinion different from yours..

Yes I agree that history books have their own biases reflected by biases of those who scripted them .

I make effort to read ..and listen to other people. I do not say that I am always correct . My views are as much skewed as yours . all I do is to pose counter point and counterview when particular view I think is not appropriate .
a You have right to defend and contest my points that is what the discussion and debate is meant for .

there is no need to gang up against one person and attempt to silence him just because he has different views with which you are not comfortable !!!

 

[Levina]

No doubt that Nehru committed blunders ...for which our country is still paying .
all I say is that we should take balanced view of a historic figures like Nehru, Gandhi , Netaji and so on ...

They were all human beings ..imperfect as we all are with flaws and failures .

I feel sorry when people use those flaws to degrade the whole person . It applies to all .

I never said that Nehru is perfect or denied his blunders .

Nor have I ever sullied Nehru.
Frankly it surprises me that anyone would accuse me of maligning Nehru.
Was I wrong when I said ego clashes of some prominent leaders led to India's partition...Nehru included?

there is no need to gang up against one person and attempt to silence him just because he has different views with which you are not comfortable !!!

Nobody was ganging up.
It was merely a co-incident that the 4 of us (u,me,dray and sarthak) landed on one of Netaji's threads, yet again.

 

[livingdead]

Netaji resigned a lucrative job to join freedom struggle while few others came up with their bloated egos and divided the nation.....Nehru included.

I read this about Netaji on another site....
"Netaji refused to obey the prohibition to carry his umbrella while meeting the Governor General at his office in Kolkata after being successful in Indian Civil Services (ICS) examination. It was then a traditional dignity to carry the umbrella for every Bengali gentleman. When the Governor General objected to this, asking him to explain his behavior, he dared to put the umbrella around the neck of British Governor General and warn him to mind his behavior."....

Now that takes a lot of courage!!

If Subhash Chandra Bose was alive when India got Independence then things might have been a lot diferent today....or so I think.

thats thuggish behaviour... I hope its an urban legend or product of a beautiful and fertile mind of a primary school teacher (we had one of those)...

 

[Levina]

thats thuggish behaviour... I hope its an urban legend or product of a beautiful and fertile mind of a primary school teacher (we had one of those)...

so be it!
It takes a lot courage to call oneself "extremist" and to call for unqualified swaraj, which at that point of time meant a confrontation with Gandhi and his followers.
While in college he was personally implicated in an incident involving an English professor who had manhandled some students and as a result of which Bose left the college.
If you think this is somebody's figment of imagination then IDC.

 

[livingdead]

so be it!
It takes a lot courage to call oneself "extremist" and to call for unqualified swaraj, which at that point of time meant a confrontation with Gandhi and his followers.
While in college he was personally implicated in an incident involving an English professor who had manhandled some students and as a result of which Bose left the college.
If you think this is somebody's figment of imagination then IDC.

it take much more courage to be a suicide bomber... I am not sure we should support such behaviour. The 'extremist' position of swaraj is on thing, threatening a person becuse he asked you not to carry umbrella is another. Obviously the governor general is the one who showed restraint here even though the rule itself was unfair.

 

[Levina]

it take much more courage to be a suicide bomber... I am not sure we should support such behaviour. The 'extremist' position of swaraj is on thing, threatening a person becuse he asked you not to carry umbrella is another. Obviously the governor general is the one who showed restraint here even though the rule itself was unfair.

By this logic Bhagat Singh was a terrorist!!
You're ignoring the fact that Indians were treated like British slaves when this incident took place and that some of the rules existed for no reason at all.
Btw Netaji was no suicide bomber.

 

[dray]

thats thuggish behaviour... I hope its an urban legend or product of a beautiful and fertile mind of a primary school teacher (we had one of those)...

it take much more courage to be a suicide bomber... I am not sure we should support such behaviour. The 'extremist' position of swaraj is on thing, threatening a person becuse he asked you not to carry umbrella is another. Obviously the governor general is the one who showed restraint here even though the rule itself was unfair.

Maybe it is an urban legend, maybe it was true, maybe the governor general was very decent to Bose and Bose was thuggish (as you have suggested), maybe the governor general was abusive to a nigger and Bose assertively defended his position. However, if Bose did it during his college days the way it is described, then I believe it only shows his strong nationalistic attitude from a young age. British Raj was not exactly an epitome of humanity and rule of law, young Bose saw the brutal oppression of his fellow countrymen by the British and he considered the dictate of the governor general another example of British illegitimately imposing their rules on Indians.

By this logic Bhagat Singh was a terrorist!!
You're ignoring the fact that Indians were treated like British slaves when this incident took place and that some of the rules existed for no reason at all.
Btw Netaji was no suicide bomber.

Bhagat Singh was/is a terrorist for many Indians......unfortunately, so were all the freedom fighters who decided to fight British Raj with arms, and they all were probably deserved to be hanged for their 'thuggish' behaviour or 'terrorist' activities. Even the Mumbai Mutiny (RIN Mutiny) was condemned by Gandhiji.

 

[IND151]

Netaji resigned a lucrative job to join freedom struggle while few others came up with their bloated egos and divided the nation.....Nehru included.

I read this about Netaji on another site....
"Netaji refused to obey the prohibition to carry his umbrella while meeting the Governor General at his office in Kolkata after being successful in Indian Civil Services (ICS) examination. It was then a traditional dignity to carry the umbrella for every Bengali gentleman. When the Governor General objected to this, asking him to explain his behavior, he dared to put the umbrella around the neck of British Governor General and warn him to mind his behavior."....

Now that takes a lot of courage!!

If Subhash Chandra Bose was alive when India got Independence then things might have been a lot diferent today....or so I think.

That's a news.

On Topic- Bose was a true hero. I wish he was live to see independent India.