Why USSR beat Germany but not Afghanistan?

[flamer84]

There is a huge difference, while the Germans fought against every allied nation in a multiple front war with just 5 million military and 2 million civilian causalities. The Russians on other hand lost 11 million soldiers + 13 million civilians by just fighting against Germany.

Wow,it always amazes how Italy gave "so much" for her superpower-new Roman empire ambitions.

 

[Lord ZeN]

Wow,it always amazes how Italy gave "so much" for her superpower-new Roman empire ambitions.

It was basically Germany Vs everyone else in Europe. Italian contribution were next to null. They only tried to piggy bank on Prussian military prowess.

 

[vostok]

It was basically Germany Vs everyone else in Europe. Italian contribution were next to null. They only tried to piggy bank on Prussian military prowess.

Actually, it was a war of the whole of Europe against the Soviet Union, as in the 1941 Hitler controlled the whole of Europe.

 

[blueazure]

manpower

resources

industrial output,

soviet industry could produce tanks faster then the Germans could blow them,

soviet concept of deep battle,

btw, all conflicts and wars are different ,its all fluid

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I am stating again---war is a people business also---your success and defeat depends on how you treat the captive public.

The captives need some hope and respect---but when they are slaughtered, butchered, raped, molested, their properties and things of national heritage destroyed, then the people revolt against a benevolent conqueror like the united states as well.

The German conquest of Russian lands was full of destruction and murder of the captive population---a captive population that was waiting for someone to rescue them from the tyranny of the communists---.

Once the Russians realized that there is going to be no savior for the hardships---they turned and accepted the LESSER OF THE EVILS---communism and then fought and died for MOTHER RUSSIA with pride and joy.

From a simple run to the conquest of Moscow----the campaign got bogged down and when the weather took over----the Germans had no answer for the new found vigor of the Russian soldiers

 

[alimobin memon]

The T 34 or yak 3 are most over rated in eastern front. The germans were till the end and even in 50's their werent many countries who had as advanced tech as germans did in ww2. The only reason germans lost was they were heavily outnumbered for like ratio of 1:10. from all sides of europe. The germans biggest mistake was that they thought they would survive the cold of russia and their machines will work in the cold.

 

[Superboy]

The T 34 or yak 3 are most over rated in eastern front. The germans were till the end and even in 50's their werent many countries who had as advanced tech as germans did in ww2. The only reason germans lost was they were heavily outnumbered for like ratio of 1:10. from all sides of europe. The germans biggest mistake was that they thought they would survive the cold of russia and their machines will work in the cold.

Russian tech were clearly better. T-34 you almost can't destroy because its armor is so sloped. KV-1 when Germans attacked their medium tanks were outclassed by Russian heavy tanks. MiG-3 when Germans attacked MiG-3 was way faster than any German fighter. Had German technology been better, Hitler would not have shot himself in the head.

Germans thought Russia is Poland or Czech. Uh, no, Russia is the world's biggest country, the most powerful, the most technologically advanced. Germans sure met their match in Russia.

 

[nomi007]

these afghan also defeated Greece warrior as well as England


and its time of USA and NATO defeat

 

[Desert Fox]

Because Russians didn't have T-34's in Afghanistan.

T-34's are coffins in mountains of Afghanistan.

Russian tech were clearly better. T-34 you almost can't destroy because its armor is so sloped. KV-1 when Germans attacked their medium tanks were outclassed by Russian heavy tanks. MiG-3 when Germans attacked MiG-3 was way faster than any German fighter. Had German technology been better, Hitler would not have shot himself in the head.

Germans thought Russia is Poland or Czech. Uh, no, Russia is the world's biggest country, the most powerful, the most technologically advanced. Germans sure met their match in Russia.

In terms of military equipment yes the Soviets were ahead of the Germans in 1941 however as the war progressed the Germans began to close the gap but their efforts were hampered due to limited resources, not to mention they were fighting on multiple fronts.

But otherwise yes the Germans were ahead of the world in terms of scientific research and technological advancement, just not in the military field.

 

[Penguin]

Because Russians didn't have T-34's in Afghanistan.

T-34s were sporadically available in Afghanistan. How do you suppose it got there?

Actually, it was a war of the whole of Europe against the Soviet Union, as in the 1941 Hitler controlled the whole of Europe.

Nah, they first had capture Yugoslavia and Greece. And Sweden, GB, Ireland, Switzerland, Spain remained unoccupied. While Franco's Spain was no ally, don't forget that many of the occupied countries had governments-in-exile in the UK, which controlled their non-European colonial assets.

 

[MastanKhan]

The T 34 or yak 3 are most over rated in eastern front. The germans were till the end and even in 50's their werent many countries who had as advanced tech as germans did in ww2. The only reason germans lost was they were heavily outnumbered for like ratio of 1:10. from all sides of europe. The germans biggest mistake was that they thought they would survive the cold of russia and their machines will work in the cold.

Hi,

You have a wrong assessment----. There was no reason for the Russian public to fight after the brutality and mass murders committed by the communist party---.

Any conqueror was welcome-----in any shape or form----. The germans proved be the dumbest and the stupidest of the conquerors that ever tried to wage war on that nation.

The german attack was thoughtless ---brainless---and had no clue how to achieve victory in the shortest possible times---.

The ttack proves the point that the germans can build better war machines and are great soldiers---but they have no brains as to how to conquer a nation.

This stupidity of the germans is noticeable on the other fronts as well---when the germans stopped their invasion on the French beaches.

10 Police officers are enough to control a crowd of 100 people-----100 police officers are enough to control a crown of 1000 people----500 police officers are enough to control a crowd of 10000 people---.

why---because basically a crowd is just a group of spineless un-organized mass of people who have no cohesion and planning, goal and objective in their movement----where as their uniformed opponents know what to do---.

So-----in that war----the Russian public decided that it is better to die fighting for mother Russia than die in a prison camp out of starvation or by physical brutality of the german military----.

The Russians already had the courage---this brutality against their people gave them a CAUSE---the cause gave them the reason to stand up---they became able---they became capable---they became willing---that put a new life into the ranks of soldiers and officers---that filled the mind with the notion of me against the enemies of my motherland.

That is where the germans lost the war----just by awakening the cause of the protection of motherland---. Even though the germans had superior weapons----they did not have enough food and medical supplies----they were not fighting for any cause.

OTOH---the Russians as they grew into the cause---the only thing that was holding them at that time was the quality of their weapons---which they compensated by the numbers---and the will to die protecting the motherland---.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Simple reason being advantage during WW2 where Russians could efford to.loose ground & still being able to re-arm & re-group & counter attack during harsh russian winter. They secrificed millions & millions soldiers to regain territory. Even much praised T34 tanks took heavy loses. Against german pangers they lost almost 5 T34 to 1 panger lost. Russians lost almost 45000 tanks in total. Yet they made more & more t34s & overwhelmed the superior german forces.

In Afganistan, they initiated a police action. When loses started mount, they couldnt put forward forces compared to ww2 as they were fighting a war away from home. They didnt use the might of soviet military against Islamic Insurgents. In the end, they have to face the wrath of Rambo. They never stood a chance.

 

[friendly_troll96]

At the end of the day Afghanistan is the biggest loser. Everybody keeps kicking these fools' butts while telling them they're unbeatable. Afghanistan is rightfully called the graveyard of empires, 'cause that's exactly what it is -- a graveyard, except some graveyards are better developed.

 

[Superboy]

Yet they made more & more t34s & overwhelmed the superior german forces.

Superior? Inferior is more like it.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Superior? Inferior is more like it.

German forces were superior in each regard except for numbers. They were just overwhelmed by sheer numbers. For each german tank destroyed Soviets lost atleast 5. But at the end, Germans were beaten by harsh weather conditions & war of attiriation.

I mean attrition. :p