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Why the U.S. needs Muslim allies



By Husain Haqqani, Nov 01, 2012 11:24 PM EDT

The Washington Post Published: November 2

Husain Haqqani was Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States from 2008 to 2011. He is a professor of international relations at Boston University and a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.



American foreign policy is not making enough of an effort to contain Islamist extremism, and the consequences are likely to roil not only Afghanistan and Pakistan but, eventually, the wider region and beyond.

In 1998, Osama bin Laden described U.S. soldiers as “paper tigers” and predicted that U.S. aversion to war would lead to the success of his ideology. “We have seen in the last decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier,” bin Laden said in an interview. “He is ready to wage cold wars but unprepared to fight hot wars. . . . This was proven in Beirut when the Marines fled after two explosions. . . . This was then repeated in Somalia.”

Unfortunately, bin Laden’s followers and other extremists can add Afghanistan to that list. Al-Qaeda’s allies, the Taliban, have been neither decisively defeated nor forced to the negotiating table. The emergence of democratic governments in the greater Middle East has offered the United States opportunities to help its ideological allies confront the Islamist narrative of victimhood and revenge. Instead, the dictates of U.S. politics have reaffirmed that narrative.

In last week’s foreign policy debate, President Obama said that success against al-Qaeda can be achieved simply by tracking down and killing those identified as terrorists. This view is no doubt rooted in the U.S. electorate’s disapproval of distant wars. But this thinking fails to take into account how drones and other remote tactics are used to encourage extremism among the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims. Ideologically motivated radicals can recruit, train and regroup even after their leaders have been killed in drone strikes. And the American aversion to long wars fits into bin Laden’s prediction that the United States would withdraw from the greater Middle East rather than stay and fight.

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney speaks in general of the need for a multidimensional strategy to marginalize extremists in the Islamic world. But he is seeking to get elected by war-weary voters in an environment of economic difficulty. There are no votes for either candidate in questioning the wisdom of fighting under a deadline.

Although important, the killing of bin Laden did not end the war that began with the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Al-Qaeda and its affiliates continue to recruit from North Africa to Southeast Asia. The ideology of Islamist revivalism, rooted in a culture of grievance and victimhood, remains powerful. Newly elected Islamist governments in some Arab countries, such as Egypt, will most likely fuel hatred of the West as a substitute for economic and social success, just as Iran has done since its 1979 revolution. This, in turn, will continue to produce a steady flow of terrorists ready to kill Americans.

Using drones to find and kill al-Qaeda leaders already known to U.S. intelligence will not end the war, either. Eventually, the United States will have to find Muslim allies who help limit the influence of ideas or organizations that turn some young Muslims into terrorists. Washington has made few efforts toward that end, depending on friendly autocrats or whoever manages to get elected instead of working to strengthen modernizing democrats who share Western values. Governments in the Muslim world would also have to deny terrorist groups the havens they enjoy now and shut down the organized recruitment and training of future terrorists.

Taliban leader Mohammad Omar is frequently reported to have said, “Americans have the watches, but we have the time.” By announcing the deadline for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, the Obama administration has effectively told al-Qaeda and the Taliban how long they have to wait for the Americans to depart. For the sake of not sounding like a neoconservative interventionist, Romney has committed himself to the 2014 cut-off date. But that deadline may have to be reviewed.

Time is needed to raise an effective Afghan national army able to secure the country. The Taliban’s ability to infiltrate the fledgling Afghan force — evidenced by the “green-on-blue” killings this year — shows the shortsightedness of assuming that a quickly assembled army can, on its own, defeat an ideologically motivated enemy. If the United States and allied forces leave Afghanistan in 2014 with al-Qaeda and Taliban havens intact, U.S. forces are sure to have to return to the region after another 9/11-type event.

Consider also that the impending U.S. withdrawal provides little incentive for Pakistan’s military to revisit its ambitions in Afghanistan. Although the Taliban increasingly threaten Pakistan, the Pakistani military and intelligence services continue to make distinctions among groups of Taliban and jihadis and considers some of them strategic allies. Pakistan is still clinging to hopes of greater influence over Afghanistan with the help of various Taliban factions after the withdrawal.

Instead of signaling eagerness to exit Afghanistan, Washington should be demonstrating that the United States is willing to stay for as long as necessary. Ironically, a firm display of that iron will all along, coupled with a global strategy to combat extremist Islamist ideology, might have made an early withdrawal easier.

The U.S. needs Muslim allies - The Washington Post
 
Muslims hate the US.

As the world balance of power changes, even the Gulf puppets will abandon the US.
 
Muslims hate the US.

As the world balance of power changes, even the Gulf puppets will abandon the US.

From what I've heard from an acquaintance's trip to Morocco, most Muslims actually like the US, its just those who act out get all the news time.

Which makes sense really given many government's of the middle East still see fit to play nice with the US. Muslims allies are necessary in the Middle-East and preferable in South Asia, and despite the extremism that is often on display on TV the US has no ingrained hate of Islam, just religious extremism that perverts Islam to justify violence.
 
From what I've heard from an acquaintance's trip to Morocco, most Muslims actually like the US, its just those who act out get all the news time.

Which makes sense really given many government's of the middle East still see fit to play nice with the US. Muslims allies are necessary in the Middle-East and preferable in South Asia, and despite the extremism that is often on display on TV the US has no ingrained hate of Islam, just religious extremism that perverts Islam to justify violence.

I agree. I've personally been to many places and have found that Muslims like the US. They in about 90% of the places I've been to, are eager to discuss the foreign policy and talk about ou foreign policy and any muslim factor in it. But they are not against America.

Now the areas in Pakistan (FATA), Afghanistanm Somalia and some parts of Yemen are different cases, this is where Al-Qaeda's concentration and ideology is so naturally, they'll hate Americans due to that fact. I think Pakistanis and people from Yemen need to focus on internal security and then the US investment for economic enhancement will flow in. Creation of industries and education in these areas mention above, will help the US and everyone else in putting a long term fix to this problem. When a man is too busy caring for his family and making sure that his kids make it to the best engineering and medical schools (that he can provide for), no one wants to follow an idiot imaam who wants people to blow themselves up!!! It is primarily due to illiteracy, lack of education, basic human needs and infrastructure helping people and their families to advance towards a better future.

In fact, if you ask any muslim in financial duress as to where can they go to better their lives, the answer isn't the UK, or the European union or Japan, the preferred choice is always AMERICA!!
 
The only muslim ally US needs is SaudiArabia.
The house if Saud mentored US economy and made US Dollar global trade currency by asking countries only to pay in USD for their oil..They still continue with it..
Any other oil producing country who tries to change this by accepting other currency go to the dog house..
Iraq and Iran are the glowing examples....
 
From what I've heard from an acquaintance's trip to Morocco, most Muslims actually like the US, its just those who act out get all the news time.

Which makes sense really given many government's of the middle East still see fit to play nice with the US. Muslims allies are necessary in the Middle-East and preferable in South Asia, and despite the extremism that is often on display on TV the US has no ingrained hate of Islam, just religious extremism that perverts Islam to justify violence.

I can tell you that is not correct.

US, and whites in general, are disliked by most Muslims.

Your actions, both in past and now, show a clear hatred of Muslims.

Muslims, like most people, are only showing you some respect due to your technological and monetary advantage. Both of these are rapidly being eroded, most strikingly by China, and you will see what people really think of you when you have neither soon.
 
A better question to ask would be:

Why do the Muslim countries need USA as an ally?
 
I can tell you that is not correct.

US, and whites in general, are disliked by most Muslims.

Your actions, both in past and now, show a clear hatred of Muslims.

Muslims, like most people, are only showing you some respect due to your technological and monetary advantage. Both of these are rapidly being eroded, most strikingly by China, and you will see what people really think of you when you have neither soon.

Yes its true that our first war with Muslims was back in the early 19 century when we fought the Barbary pirates and the states. When we heard they were Muslims that was the first to go to war with after the Revolutionary War.:cheesy:
 
Unfortunately, bin Laden’s followers and other extremists can add Afghanistan to that list. Al-Qaeda’s allies, the Taliban, have been neither decisively defeated nor forced to the negotiating table. The emergence of democratic governments in the greater Middle East has offered the United States opportunities to help its ideological allies confront the Islamist narrative of victimhood and revenge. Instead, the dictates of U.S. politics have reaffirmed that narrative.

Or more precisely, they need to include the Pashtuns in Afghanistan's political process. The Taliban consist of majority Pashtuns, and they are the single largest ethnic group in the country.

Fast and precarious "democratic reforms" or revolutions in the Middle East can be dangerous.

But this thinking fails to take into account how drones and other remote tactics are used to encourage extremism among the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims.

I live in a Muslim-majority nation. And drone strikes? Where!?

Newly elected Islamist governments in some Arab countries, such as Egypt, will most likely fuel hatred of the West as a substitute for economic and social success, just as Iran has done since its 1979 revolution. This, in turn, will continue to produce a steady flow of terrorists ready to kill Americans.

They can do so at their peril. It's their choice :lol:

Piece of advise: I really do not recommend it. Try to figure things out yourselves instead of throwing rocks at some other country. This is specifically for Egypt.

As for Iran, it's a different matter. Hell, if it weren't for all those sanctions, Iran may have become a developed nation by now.

Taliban leader Mohammad Omar is frequently reported to have said, “Americans have the watches, but we have the time.” By announcing the deadline for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, the Obama administration has effectively told al-Qaeda and the Taliban how long they have to wait for the Americans to depart. For the sake of not sounding like a neoconservative interventionist, Romney has committed himself to the 2014 cut-off date. But that deadline may have to be reviewed.

Time is needed to raise an effective Afghan national army able to secure the country. The Taliban’s ability to infiltrate the fledgling Afghan force — evidenced by the “green-on-blue” killings this year — shows the shortsightedness of assuming that a quickly assembled army can, on its own, defeat an ideologically motivated enemy. If the United States and allied forces leave Afghanistan in 2014 with al-Qaeda and Taliban havens intact, U.S. forces are sure to have to return to the region after another 9/11-type event.

Raising an army from grassroots in another country is extremely expensive and difficult. These "green on blue" killings does indeed shatter confidence on both sides.

Here are some list of things they need to consider:

1. Fully include the Pashtuns in Afghanistan's political process.

2. Gather sufficient regional support. Particularly from Iran, Pakistan, India and China. Making enemies and issues out of everyone and everything won't give any result. Terrorist or at least a civilized state? I think the choice is obvious. And yes, regional support matters.

3. Give Afghans alternative sources of income other than growing opium. Thailand used to be huge grower of opium, and now it is the world's largest exporter of rice. Try to be more business oriented rather than just military.

4. Give it time (politically), and proceed slowly. Their methodology in Afghanistan is flawed if you ask me. Everyone wants a stable Afghanistan.

Being short-sighted and taking everything at face value won't bear any fruit. The ball has to be kept bouncing once it naturally stops bouncing. You can't force it not to.
 
Also, I forgot that add that Muslim nations receive the most military aid from....oh you know who :hang2:
 
From what I've heard from an acquaintance's trip to Morocco, most Muslims actually like the US, its just those who act out get all the news time.

Which makes sense really given many government's of the middle East still see fit to play nice with the US. Muslims allies are necessary in the Middle-East and preferable in South Asia, and despite the extremism that is often on display on TV the US has no ingrained hate of Islam, just religious extremism that perverts Islam to justify violence.

If only ordinary rednecks on the streets in US understood
 
Yes its true that our first war with Muslims was back in the early 19 century when we fought the Barbary pirates and the states. When we heard they were Muslims that was the first to go to war with after the Revolutionary War.:cheesy:

Werent those guys white caucasian like you?
 

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