Why South Asians Are More Likely To Get Diabetes Than Europeans

[Faqirze]

Poor diet, genetics, and to top that all lack of physical exercise

 

[Naofumi]

What do South Asians eat in UK? Because even when removed from their home country's environment, the incidence of diabetes is higher in South Asians. Also, a point to note, most Pakistanis in UK are from Mirpur - Northern areas and Indians are mostly Punjabis (45%) followed by Gujaratis and Bengalis.
Link of study - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2857652/

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

What do South Asians eat in UK? Because even when removed from their home country's environment, the incidence of diabetes is higher in South Asians. Also, a point to note, most Pakistanis in UK are from Mirpur - Northern areas and Indians are mostly Punjabis (45%) followed by Gujaratis and Bengalis.
Link of study - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2857652/

Bro we literally eat the same stuff -- maybe times 10 -- when overseas.

 

[Naofumi]

Bro we literally eat the same stuff -- maybe times 10 -- when overseas.

This made me chuckle a bit, why do you eat 10 times bruh .

 

[HydraChess]

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Lots of it is hogwash. Just hogwash. Japan has faced a large number of famines. (http://pseweb.eu/ydepot/semin/texte0708/BAS2007MAR.pdf). I think 7 or so. A lot of it has to do with poor quality of diet. South Asian diet has always been rich in simple carbs and way less protein. South Asians also tend to use really bad kind of oils a lot. And south asian cooking uses messed up cooking methods like deep frying a LOT. And fish tend to be very less portion of south asian diet.

This is why we have this issue.

 

[Communism]

You can get carbs from green vegetables.

Practically speaking, the majority of the wheat and rice available on the market globally is refined to the point where you're basically injecting glucose into your body. You'd think "whole grains" are better for you, but if you do a proper glycaemic test consistently, you'll notice that it's a constant run-up of sugar in your blood. Yes, 'brown rice' and 'wholewheat bread' have a lower response on your blood sugar, but they're still very high.

When your body has that much sugar (50-50% of your intake being carbs), it will not tap into your fat for energy. While this is OK for very physically active people who need a rapidly deployable energy source, it's not for the vast majority of us today. Even among those who do work in the fields, this is excessive glucose. As you age, your natural glucose levels go up, so the utility of this carb intake goes down. From all the people who need that much glucose, I can't think of many besides athletes.

This isn't to say "carbs are bad." The issue, again, is glucose. You can still get carbs from other sources, especially fibrous carbs with lots of micronutrients (things like broccoli, cabbage, etc.) These are the actual "good carbs" that should make 50-55% of your dietary intake, but with healthy proteins and fats making up the rest.


That's more to do with processed meats than the protein itself. Again, like the glucose problem from wheat and rice, a high % of our diet comprises stuff with chemicals, fortifiers, etc. It's like injecting the world's pollution plus artificially-added vitamins into your body; of course, it's going to cause problems.

However, when you isolate organic and properly raised protein sources (e.g., wild-caught fish, grass-fed beef, etc), you find that they're fine. In fact, the University of Alberta specifically recommended that cancer patients consume animal-based protein. Again, the caveat is that the protein sourcing has to be clean. The moment you put it through today's industrial machine, you'll have problems.


The issue is replacing the glucose-based stuff with green veggies, clean proteins, and clean fats. This is a system-wide issue.

You seem to love meaningless buzz-words.

"Green Vegetables" are simply less efficient grains.

"Responsibly Sourced, Free Range, Organic, Grass Fed, Wild-Caught" is simply fad nonsense with exactly zero evidence to support them at all designed entirely to sell status.

All of this stuff is only considered better for you since they are more expensive in Western grocery shelves, and therefore more prestigious.

You can get the same results by diluting grains with sawdust (fiber), I'm sure that will lower glycemic index as much as you want.

What matters are the Daily Nutrition requirements and portion sizes.

Red meat is extremely bad for you. The only reason it is so popular is because it's both tasty and high status. That high status has led to people liking to pretend it's actually good for you, which it is fundamentally not.

 

[MultaniGuy]

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Famines in South Asia have nothing to do with diabetes.

Western media is biased and not honest.

However the only thing I agree with the Hindus and Buddhists is that the British were very cruel and unjust to the South Asians.
Thats why I feel quite indifferent if anything bad happens to United Kingdom or the Russian war in Ukraine.

 

[Naofumi]

The only reason it is so popular is because it's both tasty and high status.

What? red meat is as high status as any other meat (Chicken). In fact, I think it would cheaper than say Salmon.

 

[WotTen]

"Responsibly Sourced, Free Range, Organic, Grass Fed, Wild-Caught" is simply fad nonsense with exactly zero evidence to support them at all designed entirely to sell status.

Chickens raised in farms have horrible lives. They sit all day in their own poo. They suffocate from body heat of other chickens. They can barely stand up because they don't grow leg bones and muscles.

Same thing is true of pigs but I don't eat pork anyway.

I gladly pay more to buy free range chickens and eggs because it is ethically the right thing to do.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Famines in South Asia have nothing to do with diabetes.

Western media is biased and not honest.

However the only thing I agree with the Hindus and Buddhists is that the British were very cruel and unjust to the South Asians.
Thats why I feel quite indifferent if anything bad happens to United Kingdom or the Russian war in Ukraine.

AJ plus is literally a channel with a strong Pakistani American diaspora presence
They have mostly Pakistani editors, hosts, producers even the doctor interviewed is pakistani

So really don't see the "western" media bias...

 

[Communism]

What? red meat is as high status as any other meat (Chicken). In fact, I think it would cheaper than say Salmon.

Chicken is the lowest status in the U.S. currently since it is the cheapest.

It was once higher status since it was more expensive.

Chickens raised in farms have horrible lives. They sit all day in their own poo. They suffocate from body heat of other chickens. They can barely stand up because they don't grow leg bones and muscles.

Same thing is true of pigs but I don't eat pork anyway.

I gladly pay more to buy free range chickens and eggs because it is ethically the right thing to do.

Humans matter.

Non-human animals do not.

Resources wasted on making the lives of non-humans raised specifically for food better is resources that is deprived from humans.

Especially when it is done solely for status.

 

[Naofumi]

Chicken is the lowest status in the U.S. currently since it is the cheapest.

It was once higher status since it was more expensive.

Talk specifically about USA only then. In India, people eat red meat (Buffalo/Lambs/Goats in North and Beef/Lambs in South but Christians/non-Muslims also eat Pork) and it is (buffalo/beef) actually a bit cheaper than Chicken (not much though). There is no status associated with red meat here (other than just being meat vs veggies) and I am sure that's how the things are in most other countries.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Talk specifically about USA only then. In India, people eat red meat (Buffalo/Lambs/Goats in North and Beef/Lambs in South but Christians/non-Muslims also eat Pork) and it is (buffalo/beef) actually a bit cheaper than Chicken (not much though). There is no status associated with red meat here (other than just being meat vs veggies) and I am sure that's how the things are in most other countries.

Surprised cause red meat is considered high status in Pakistan so thaught it might be the same in India

 

[Naofumi]

Surprised cause red meat is considered high status in Pakistan so thaught it might be the same in India

What is the price of 1kg Beef vs 1kg Chicken? In India, Beef would be around 180-240 INR and Chicken would be over 200 INR (fluctuating actually, currently it is 240 INR in Delhi) - not much of a price difference to justify either as high status.

 

[Communism]

What is the price of 1kg Beef vs 1kg Chicken? In India, Beef would be around 180-240 INR and Chicken would be over 200 INR generally - not much of any price difference to justify either as high status.

India must have a different factor in feed conversion ratio if that is the case, as in the U.S. beef cattle has about 3x less efficient feed conversion ratio to chickens