Why Russia and India do not have consumer electronics companies like China does?

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

For example Hisense, Xiaomi, Lenovo.

 

[Saiful Islam]

India are no where near these levels, this isn't even a question.

Xiaomi and Lenovo are leagues and leagues past whatever India has to offer. Leave them to their products only suitable for domestic use.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

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[FuturePAF]

The first step in the value added chain is a technically trained work force assembling components from parts manufacturers. Russia was too expensive for this work by the time this opportunity became available and India doesn’t have the trained work force and has poor corporate (contractor/Sub-contractor) management compared to other countries.

China is also closer to suppliers and the final markets, then India. Manufacturers will move on from China to vietnam and other ASEAN nations before they would go to India for a number of reasons, but especially the poor investment and legal environment in India relative to other countries.

The story of what happened at that apple subcontractor facility in India sums of the challenges.

India will eventually change, or rather companies will come along that will be able to operate in the Indian environment (considering how large the Indian market is) but India maybe stuck in the “middle technology trap” (they will be assemblers but may not be able to make the leap to designers of key cutting edge technologies; which requires significant investment in R&D. They could make the leap, but it would require a commitment, IMHO, I don’t think they are willing to make, considering all the more basic infrastructure to re investments India wants to make)

having said all that it just comes to private companies willing to make the investment if the incentives are there.

 

[Clutch]

India doesn't have toilets let alone consumer electronics companies....

 

[siegecrossbow]

Xiaomi is an Indian company. Here is the Xiaomi CEO dressed in traditional Indian clothing. To the best of my knowledge he has never worn traditional Chinese hanfu so he must be Indian.

 

[HalfMoon]

For example Hisense, Xiaomi, Lenovo.

It is criminal do compare China and India.

The better comparison would be to compare India to a sub-Saharan country.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

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Well in the US anything to do with printed circuit boards turns into a Not-in-My-Back-Yard issue due to the hazardous waste generated. So consumer stuff is out.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Well in the US anything to do with printed circuit boards turns into a Not-in-My-Back-Yard issue due to the hazardous waste generated. So consumer stuff is out.

Depends on the county. In Texas and Arizona there's not much red tape and it actually develops infrastructure like a highly competitive economy.

Lots of PCB and even semiconductor plants in Texas, Arizona, etc. right next to houses in the suburbs.

NIMBYism is just an excuse.

 

[8888888888888]

Corruption is the reason, Russian and Indian companies probably have to pay kick backs to certain people to stay in business.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Depends on the county. In Texas and Arizona there's not much red tape and it actually develops infrastructure like a highly competitive economy.

Lots of PCB and even semiconductor plants in Texas, Arizona, etc. right next to houses in the suburbs.

NIMBYism is just an excuse.

How many big name companies with a HQ in Palo Alto or on Route 128 actually print their circuit boards on site there...or even in the state?

They manufacture in Arizona because it's sparsely populated and not many people there howl. Other places do. Plus I bet the local rivers conveniently head towards Mexico not the other way.

Edit: No shocker here..right to Mexico..out of sight out of mind. Not even a polluted US beach to worry about. Just perfect.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

How many big name companies with an HQ in Palo Alto or on Route 128 actually print their circuit boards on site there...or even in the state?

They manufacture in Arizona because it's sparsely populated and not many people there howl. Other places do. Plus I bet the local rivers conveniently head towards Mexico not the other way.

Edit: No shocker here..right to Mexico..out of sight out of mind. Not even a polluted beach worry.
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Sure enough there it is.

Intel Arizona is in Phoenix, a metro area of 5 million, next to Chandler, one of the richest suburbs in the Phoenix area. It is literally across the street from 2500+ sq ft mansions.

You can even see some of the pools of the houses next to the (new) fab. The old Intel fab, still in use, is across from an elementary school. No rivers nearby either.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Intel Arizona is in Phoenix, a metro area of 5 million, next to Chandler, one of the richest suburbs in the Phoenix area. It is literally across the street from 2500+ sq ft mansions.

You can even see some of the pools of the houses next to the (new) fab. The old Intel fab, still in use, is across from an elementary school. No rivers nearby either.

Explore Intel: Chandler Environmental Performance

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They used 188Million gallons of water in Q2. Where do you think all the wastewater went???? Hmmm.maybe the local river perhaps...

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Explore Intel: Chandler Environmental Performance

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They used 188Million gallons of water in Q2. Where do you think all the wastewater went???? Hmmm.maybe the local river perhaps...

what river lmao? there are no year round rivers in Arizona except the Colorado which is nowhere near Phoenix.

failure of PCB and electronics manufacturing in the US isn't due to some environmental concerns. It's simply that other than Intel which puts its plants in the middle of suburbs and urban areas, other companies aren't competitive. UAE bought Global Foundries a few years back and now they're regretting it, forcing GloFo to cancel their EUV project and focus on profitability.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

what river lmao? there are no year round rivers in Arizona except the Colorado which is nowhere near Phoenix.

failure of PCB and electronics manufacturing in the US isn't due to some environmental concerns. It's simply that other than Intel which puts its plants in the middle of suburbs and urban areas, other companies aren't competitive. UAE bought Global Foundries a few years back and now they're regretting it, forcing GloFo to cancel their EUV project and focus on profitability.

US used to have really good companies like Compaq, RCA.