Why RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat is wrong about Mother Teresa

[SamantK]

And your point is?

You would get the point if you find the YouTube video and her quotes..

So she is against abortion.. As per her, killing a child before it was born is the biggest sin.. Whats the problem about her view point? Or you think that she is trying to convert newborn children by saying abortion is a sin?




Please try something credible.

That she was a politician, who tried to bring in legislation against abortion, plus she said and I quote "I am not a Social Worker. I work only for Christ!"

That's what Bhagwat said..

 

[singh sahab]

She is not being "blamed". She is a missionary for earth's sake. Conversion is what missionaries do. And that is what mb is saying. If she wasn't converting, she wouldn't be a missionary, ain't it?

With that level of prejudice inside your head, I'm sorry. I give up. I can not debate with such a staunch supporter of RSS, which btw I am too.

 

[Darmashkian]

@singh sahab If you truly want proof regarding her conversions, please read this book

Missionary Position by Christopher Hitchens...
I don't have the PDF file for this book nor the book itself(But I read my relative's copy of this book) thus I can't give it to you.

And regarding my links,I haven't given any individual analysis in page 1. Each & every link posted are the efforts+works Western Academicians+ Christopher Hitchens

https://twitter.com/x/status/569878198172803073

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Previously you claimed that Ramdev and Ravi shankar are selfless servant of people, just because they did not accept Padma Vibhushan. Now when i showed you proof of claiming them other awards, you are not defending them anymore. Is it, or is it not contradiction?

Tell me, are they still selfless servant of people just because they denied Padma Vibhushan or NOT?

I provided you with my detalied logical reply. If you had any counter arguement, if could have presented. Instead you blame me of prejudice, which is ironical btw.

Now I nowhere claimed If bhagwat ji is right or wrong. I just want him to show the facts and proof so that common people like me could understand as to what led him to believe that. Was it hangover of Ghar wapsi, or just hot air, or any substantial fact?

I needed to explain me science, because you sarcastically said " THE SCIENCE i studied."

How is it a contradiction when i am still standing by my claim ? ...... its a contradiction only when I don't stand by my claim.

At worst you can say that I gave bad examples. But this tread is not about them, is it ? So there is no need for me to defend them for selfless service. Only their service without any religious motive.

I have proved your prejudice, you have only alleged mine, which has been repudiated.

Why does Mohan Bhagwat have to provide you with proof of anything ? He is not responsible for you Prejudice ? He does not need to rescue you from that.

This is what you said,

"Bhagwat did a blunder this time. It will only result in his disgrace, not the other way around for which he hoped."

So ya, you DID call him Wrong. You are YET To PROVE him WRONG. So that again counts as a Prejudice.

You mentioned "Ghar Whapsi" which was done by VHP, yet your PREJUDICE connected that with RSS.


Your understanding of Science and logic has been found wanting.

 

[singh sahab]

@singh sahab If you truly want proof regarding her conversions, please read this book

Missionary Position by Christopher Hitchens...
I don't have the PDF file for this book nor the book itself(But I read my relative's copy of this book) thus I can't give it to you.

And regarding my links,I haven't given any individual analysis in page 1. Each & every link posted are the efforts+works Western Academicians+ Christopher Hitchens

https://twitter.com/x/status/569878198172803073

Dude, You must be outta your mind if you think i'm gonna read a whole book. Hell, i never finished my curricular text books in my school times, what makes you think i would break the tradition now?

If there is any proof in the book, please quote me with page no. and would be appreciated if you also could quote paragraph too.

 

[Mike_Brando]

there are hardly any buyers to this chaddi baniyan gang, even majority hindus dont support them!....these chaddi baniyan gang support Godse our Gandhi....they are anti Indian and this old arse must be put behind closed door somewhere in gadchiroli for spreading religious unrest in our country,

Seriously!!Man,you must be smoking some strong sh*t or otherwise you wouldn't have spewed this kind of nonsense in this thread.These so called "chaddis" are a thousand times better than all those so called "secularists" who won't even hesitate to sell their mothers let alone their Motherland for the right price.
Nathuram Godse had his own reasons for assassinating Mr.Gandhi.He had even explained his views in a candid manner in his book "Why i killed Gandhi".He thought that Mr.Gandhi had actually backstabbed the Dharmic community and was causing constant damage to us and hence he took this extreme step to safeguard the interest of the Dharmic population.It is extremely sad that the Congi traitors banned his book after his execution and hence the common people never got to hear the reasons behind the assassination from Mr.Godse. Mr.Godse was in no way a traitor.He might have made a blunder by assassinating a frail old man like Gandhi but that doesn't change the fact that he was a hard core Nationalist and not an appeaser or an apologist backstabber like Mr.Gandhi.It's a known fact that it was Mr.Gandhi himself who literally back stabbed the true sons of this soil and nationalists like Martyr Bhagat Singh and Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose on numerous occasion.He,by no mean can be termed as the "Father of the nation"!!

 

[Sneaker]

With that level of prejudice inside your head, I'm sorry. I give up. I can not debate with such a staunch supporter of RSS, which btw I am too.

I am not staunch supporter of RSS. I support some of their agenda, oppose some. But in this case, I have to agree with them. She wasn't what she was made out to be. Plus, it is very unfortunate that people take advantage of other's misery to feel good (she felt good for each soul saved, I guess). It is true for many babas discussed in this thread but none come even close to her.

 

[Darmashkian]

Dude, You must be outta your mind if you think i'm gonna read a whole book. Hell, i never finished my curricular text books in my school times, what makes you think i would break the tradition now?

If there is any proof in the book, please quote me with page no. and would be appreciated if you also could quote paragraph too.

Hey you asked me for proof & for a reference/source, I gave it to you.

& currently I too am in college right now & live in a hostel. SO i can't go & take my relative's book & also I don't remember the paragraphs & page numbers as I read the book 1 year back..

But don't worry I am currently searching for an online pdf for the book & quotes & references related to the parts about conversion.. When I find it, I will try & tag you

 

[singh sahab]

How is it a contradiction when i am still standing by my claim ? ...... its a contradiction only when I don't stand by my claim.

At worst you can say that I gave bad examples. But this tread is not about them, is it ? So there is no need for me to defend them for selfless service. Only their service without any religious motive.

I have proved your prejudice, you have only alleged mine, which has been repudiated.

Why does Mohan Bhagwat have to provide you with proof of anything ? He is not responsible for you Prejudice ? He does not need to rescue you from that.

This is what you said,

"Bhagwat did a blunder this time. It will only result in his disgrace, not the other way around for which he hoped."

So ya, you DID call him Wrong. You are YET To PROVE him WRONG. So that again counts as a Prejudice.

You mentioned "Ghar Whapsi" which was done by VHP, yet your PREJUDICE connected that with RSS.


Your understanding of Science and logic has been found wanting.

Dude, Nice attempt. But you have to do better next time. It seems like you are more interested in ridiculing my knowledge and understanding of science, rather than defending your claim of selfless servant. Which is fine by me, because I've seen and avoided worse than you.

On topic, You should be careful when giving examples, if you give bad examples in starting and admit after a whole hour of debate, you have done enough damage to thread then.

You still haven't told me what exactly is self service according to you?

Yes, I did call MB wrong, not because of his statement, but because of not providing facts and proof firsthand before making such claims. I am not calling his statement wrong, he might be 100% right, but he must produce facts.

My understanding of science has no value in this discussion.

I've no prejudice about anybody. I actually respect MB for some social work he has done, but that should not stop me from criticizing him, for that is my right to do.

Hey you asked me for proof & for a reference/source, I gave it to you.

& currently I too am in college right now & live in a hostel. SO i can't go & take my relative's book & also I don't remember the paragraphs & page numbers as I read the book 1 year back..

But don't worry I am currently searching for an online pdf for the book & quotes & references related to the parts about conversion.. When I find it, I will try & tag you

Thanks, will be waiting till then.

 

[Mike_Brando]

Dude, Nice attempt. But you have to do better next time. It seems like you are more interested in ridiculing my knowledge and understanding of science, rather than defending your claim of selfless servant. Which is fine by me, because I've seen and avoided worse than you.

On topic, You should be careful when giving examples, if you give bad examples in starting and admit after a whole hour of debate, you have done enough damage to thread then.

You still haven't told me what exactly is self service according to you?

Yes, I did call MB wrong, not because of his statement, but because of not providing facts and proof firsthand before making such claims. I am not calling his statement wrong, he might be 100% right, but he must produce facts.

My understanding of science has no value in this discussion.

I've no prejudice about anybody. I actually respect MB for some social work he has done, but that should not stop me from criticizing him, for that is my right to do.


Thanks, will be waiting till then.

Mother Teresa or for that matter The Missionaries of Charity haven't done any self less service to the society.On the contrary Conversion seems to be the ulterior motive for all their so called "services" to the poor and the needy ones.
There are only a handful volunteer organizations like The Ramakrishna Mission or Bharat Sevasrama who serve people selflessly throughout the year without expecting any material benefit from them.Heck they don't even discriminate people on the basis of religion even though both of them are Dharmic organizations.Whenever a natural calamity strikes anywhere in India you will find them immediately providing the relief work to the affected population.These organizations were the first ones to provide relief work along with the R.S.S. during the 2013 Uttarakhand disaster.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Secular india lolz . a joke

 

[singh sahab]

Mother Teresa or for that matter The Missionaries of Charity haven't done any self less service to the society.On the contrary Conversion seems to be the ulterior motive for all their so called "services" to the poor and the needy ones.
There are only a handful volunteer organizations like The Ramakrishna Mission or Bharat Sevasrama who serve people selflessly throughout the year without expecting any material benefit from them.Heck they don't even discriminate people on the basis of religion even though both of them are Dharmic organizations.Whenever a natural calamity strikes anywhere in India you will find them immediately providing the relief work to the affected population.These organizations were the first ones to provide relief work along with the R.S.S. during the 2013 Uttarakhand disaster.

Oh Okay. But i know that already, so your point is?

Secular india lolz . a joke

That's hilarious, coming from a Pakistani.

 

[Mike_Brando]

Oh Okay. But i know that already, so your point is?


That's hilarious, coming from a Pakistani.

I was just pointing out the differences between a self less organization like the R.K.M. and a self serving organization like the Missionaries of Charity

 

[singh sahab]

I was just pointing out the differences between a self less organization like the R.K.M. and a self serving organization like the Missionaries of Charity

Okay So, why quote me?

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Dude, Nice attempt. But you have to do better next time. It seems like you are more interested in ridiculing my knowledge and understanding of science, rather than defending your claim of selfless servant. Which is fine by me, because I've seen and avoided worse than you.

LOL. I have already explained the notion of selfless service and its clear Mother Teresa had an agenda. She herself admitted as much.

You are the one avoiding my question that expose your prejudice, You have to prove that Mohan Bhagwat was wrong. You are yet to do it. You are inviting ridicule due to your reluctance to answer a rather simple question.

On topic, You should be careful when giving examples, if you give bad examples in starting and admit after a whole hour of debate, you have done enough damage to thread then.

Free unsolicited advice is not appreciated. .......... why not just stick to the topic ?

You still haven't told me what exactly is self service according to you?

I did. learn to read my previous posts where it has been clearly explained.

Yes, I did call MB wrong, not because of his statement, but because of not providing facts and proof firsthand before making such claims. I am not calling his statement wrong, he might be 100% right, but he must produce facts.

Now this is self contradiction. First your say you did not call him wrong, now you admit calling him wrong. He was giving a speech, not arguing in court to provide first-hand proof ......... Mother Teresa has admitted to her "Mission" which was to convert as many to christianity by her service. Her agenda was self defined, well articulated and known to everybody. What is left to be proved ? That she did not believe Jesus was the ONLY path to salvation ? LOL.

My understanding of science has no value in this discussion.

You mean your lack of understanding. It would have had some value, if you had applied what your preached.

I've no prejudice about anybody. I actually respect MB for some social work he has done, but that should not stop me from criticizing him, for that is my right to do.

Thanks, will be waiting till then.

Empty claims and Rhetoric's do not substitute for facts. Your prejudice has been clearly marked out and called out. You are free to be prejudiced and act on that prejudice and bigotry and call it your fundamental right. You do have that right. Only you get mocked for your feeble excuses.