Why religion and politics don't go together.

[Indus Pakistan]

Islam. Islam mine. Islam yours. Real Islam. True Islam. And it goes on. While there maybe one Islam but the human ability to interpret things in million ways means often my take on Islam won't be same as the next guy. Indeed two people could end up up fighting and killing each other because they are so sure Allah is on their side. Whose actual side Allah is is never found out and something only to be seen in hereafter and since once you go over no one has yet come back to tell us "hey I was right Allah was on my side". Instead the two sides will keep praying on the graves of their dead and claim they died fighting for "the Islam". The only way out of this madness is everybody pulls back and instead focus on their own perspective of Islam and use that to better themselves as they will face account for their own actions. For instance when I leave the world non of you guys will be able to remedy or help the accountability I face. I will face it for my actions. NOT OTHERS.


What I am saying is we need to remove Islam from the dirty, grubby world of politics. Because when religion fuses with politics it only creates more schism and chaos. All it manages to do is turn Islam into a slogan. A cheap tool to be used for gread and power.

A great example of this can be seen by the Azadi March of JUI-F by Maulana Diesel. This is a man who claims to represent Islam and has considerable support in some parts of the country. Yet is he face of Islam? That can't be it. I know it is reasy to dismiss him but we can't ignore that he has plenty of support and will claim as vocally as any others that he is the carrier of the banner of Islam. You can say no but this only goes back to my opening paragraph.

Thoughts people?

 

[Menace2Society]

The issue with political Islam is it is so heavily patriarchal and lop sided in favor of men and Muslims it creates extreme bias in the decision making process.

Look at the Western world, they moved away from Christianity in its purist form after galilieo proved the earth revolves around the sun and we witnessed the renaissance and industrial revolution.

I keep hearing how its a perfect system but I have yet to see an example of it being implemented successfully.

If you create a degree of seperation between religion and politics you will notice politics is conducted with impartiality and spirituality becomes innocent and pure. Its win win for both areas.

Unfortunately power corrupts and in the 3rd world its very darwin, strong eat the weak by any means neccessary and they use whatever tools neccessary. Spiritual growth goes out the window and the journey becomes about world domination rather than eternal bliss in heaven.

 

[Mutakalim]

Please open your eyes and read my signature.

For the idiots, so that they can learn.

(These men of truth) are those who, if We establish their rule in the earth, will establish (systems of) Prayer, (organize and control) the paying of Zakat, enjoin righteousness and forbid (people from) evil. And the result of all the endeavours is in the control of Allah. Al Hajj 41

This is Quran and yes it is stating in clear and unequivocal terms the duties of a Muslim ruler. Therefore, go and sell your Choran to Kufaar.

 

[Zayan]

Don't give lame excuse of molana 's march and claim this
In a Muslim world, in an islamic country , it is impossible to run religion and politics separately
Islam is a complete code life and if we don't follow islam then don't blame islam for it
Any body in our history who has truly followed has turned out a great leader go and research first either it is salahudin ayyubi or tariq bin zayad or Quaid e azam allama iqabal or today
Tayyab erdogan
You will se that they all were fearless
Muslims can survive without islam in their land can you imagine a Muslim land without islamic rules it'll be not more then junk

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Please open your eyes and read my signature.

Yawn. Yeh, I did. This is exactly what Mullah Diesel peddles and another 1,000 banners held aloft by those aspiring to represent true Islam.

 

[Mutakalim]

Don't give lame excuse of molana 's march and claim this
In a Muslim world, in an islamic country , it is impossible to run religion and politics separately
Islam is a complete code life and if we don't follow islam then don't blame islam for it
Any body in our history who has truly followed has turned out a great leader go and research first either it is salahudin ayyubi or tariq bin zayad or Quaid e azam allama iqabal or today
Tayyab erdogan
You will se that they all were fearless
Muslims can survive without islam in their land can you imagine a Muslim land without islamic rules it'll be not more then junk

No need to argue with these miserable souls. They already have rejected the Quran and adopted the system of non believers. Just go through their previous posts and you will now about their real motives.

 

[Sine Nomine]

There is no Political Islam,there is only Islam.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Muslim ruler

Who is?

• Mullah Diesel
• OBL
• MBS
• Al Baghdadi
• Erdogan
• Mahatir
• IK
• Asad
• Khameni
• Sisi
• 1,000 others

 

[litman]

the problem doesnt lie with islam but with the people who call themselves as muslims today. we need to look at how our 4 caliphs established true islamic caliphate and ruled it with justice according to the instructions of Quran and Hadiths. how they dealt with the internal enemies "khawarij"? did they use the empire for personal gains?
about the present situation the Prophet foretold us 1400 years ago that "aik wakt aye ga jab:
dunya main islam main us ka naam ka siwa kuch nahi rah jay ga
Quran main uss k haroof k siwa kuch nahi rahay ga
masjidain boht khobsorat hon ge laikin taleem nahi ho ge
zameen pay badtareen log islam kay ulema hon gay . fitna unhi main say niklay ga or unhi main ghus jay ga
the whole world knows what is the agenda of the mullah diesel. what is taught in our madrassahs? how these kids are brain washed? but behind this the fault of the previous governments and establishment also lie who kept their eyes closed and even gave a bone to this rabid dog to keep him happy so that they can continue with their governments. meanwhile he established his madrassahs all over the country to spread fitna when needed like its needed today to keep him in power.
there is nothing islamic in islamic republic of pakistan. we have either mullahs like diesel and his followers and liberals who have only one dream through out their lives and that is to get their families settled abroad .
i have no hopes from this country as our actions are like those of bani israel.

 

[Mutakalim]

Yawn. Yeh, I did. This is exactly what Mullah Diesel peddles and another 1,000 banners held aloft by those aspiring to represent true Islam.

This is Quran, open your eyes. Accept it or reject it.

 

[Menace2Society]

This is Quran, open your eyes. Accept it or reject it.

Your zero sum ultimatum is as almost as obnoxious as Mullah Diesels face.

Islam and Allah doesn't revolve around you dear. I know it feels nice to overpower others with your rhetoric but there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world who all have their own brain and interpretation.

Tell what do you want more, Islam world domination or heaven? You can't have both as world domination requires inflicting suffering to achieve the objective. Murder is the gravest sin in any faith. I will go as far to say it is a universal preversion with the heaviest penalty.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Title Chala gaya lakin Chawal pana nai gaya

 

[Mutakalim]

Who is?

• Mullah Diesel
• OBL
• MBS
• Al Baghdadi
• Erdogan
• Mahatir
• IK
• Asad
• Khameni
• Sisi
• 1,000 others

Who is the Muslim ruler? The one who gave us Quran, Peace be Upon Him. He gave us Quran as a Mezan, to differentiate between right or wrong, good or bad. Quran has gave us the ultimate verdict, we accepted it whole heartily. Are you willing to do that? Are you rejecting this verse of Quran? Why dont you come openly and state your true belief. This verse of Quran is enough for Muslims to reject secularism.

(These men of truth) are those who, if We establish their rule in the earth, will establish (systems of) Prayer, (organize and control) the paying of Zakat, enjoin righteousness and forbid (people from) evil. And the result of all the endeavours is in the control of Allah. Al Hajj 41

Your zero sum ultimatum is as almost as obnoxious as Mullah Diesels face.

Islam and Allah doesn't revolve around you dear. I know it feels nice to overpower others with your rhetoric but there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.

Quran is overpowering you, not me. Try to answer the Quran, not me. I am just copying the verse.

Tell what do you want more, Islam world domination or heaven? You can't have both as world domination requires inflicting suffering to achieve the objective. Murder is the gravest sin in any faith. I will go as far to say it is a universal preversion with the heaviest penalty.

Irrelevant. Come to the topic. Are you rejecting this verse?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

No need to argue with these miserable souls.

Not nice. Would it help if I called you a "drug addled retarded soul"?

This is Quran

Yes?

open your eyes

I was aleep earlier but I am awake now, thanks.

Accept it or reject it.

I agree. My advice to you. don't please reject it.


For all members who are not brain dead. The issue is not the Quran. There is only one Quran. But after the short 30 year rule of the Rashidun caliphate which itself ended in a bloodbath the world of Islam has been riven by discord over the last 1,300 years. There is one Quran but a million interpreations that clash, collide and people die everyday over.

 

[Menace2Society]

Irrelevant. Come to the topic. Are you rejecting this verse?

Why do you always derail these threads brain dead salafist.

The issue is not Islam, it is corrupted men politicizing it for their gain.

The topic is keeping religion and politics seperate, not doing away with religion so present your thoughts without being a jahil.

I will give you an example. Look at India, it has been radicalized with RSS hindu ideology and you can see their politics is being perverted. It is not exclusive to you.