Why parents of stone-pelting Kashmiri kids don't control them and put them to study?

[Max]

Inheritors how?! What cultural, racial, lingual, or socio-religious similarities exists between the people of IVC and the present day Pakistanis?!
Hell do you even know enough about the people of IVC to make an effective comparison?!

Why don't you present us with this analysis so we can effectively settle this claim on "inheritance"?

same can be asked about Roman, Greeks, Egyptions and Iranian.. Do you find any of them worshiping pagan gods and wearing ancient dresses... Does that mean their civilzaton belong to gangalanders..

Anyways why should i explain to any gangalander, the fact that those historic sites belong to my country make me more rightful inheritor then any of you gangalander would ever be.

 

[padamchen]

mostlly buddhists along with Hindu paginsm before that more primitive way of paganism and so on, does it make us same? The fact is people of indus gave birth to those civilization and you gangalanders were not party to it, hence you cannot found a site of same or older time period even in east Punjab or Gujrat related to our civilzation, unless you find something similer to our sites and more older till then you have to accept you gangalanders were anything but inheritor, followers would be more suitable word.

Sigh.

I do miss Joe.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Roma gypsies are actually Indic in origin.

I thought someone Joe considers well read would have known that ...

I am very well aware of that fact. I was using their name to follow on the perverse logic often used by Indian's to argue their case based solely on having the name "India".

A conversation between a Italian and Roma begger:-

Roma "My people are the inheritors of the mighty Roman civilization".

Italian "No you fckin are not. We are Italian. We are inheritors of Roman civilization".

Roma "No your not. Your country only came into existance in 1885 and is called "Italy". You are Christian people and your roots are in Middle East where your Jesus was born".

Italian "No, No".

Roma "Yes, Yes we are called Roma people, from a country called Romania which means Roman civilization is ours"

 

[padamchen]

I am very well aware of that fact. I was using their name to follow on the perverse logic often used by Indian's to argue their case based solely on having the name "India".

I'm not arguing anything of the sort.

Pakistan and India are political constructs.

But the Indian civilization is not.

More precisely, the Hindu civilization.

Pakistan is a construct of peoples of both the Vedic Hindu civilization, as well as their distant Aryan Iranic cousins.

It is a fallacy to believe that ancient faiths were divorced from the culture of the civiliztions and peoples who practiced them.

Hence it is only logical for me to ask you.

Who were your ancestors?

Were they Hindu?

Were they Zoroastrian?

Or were they Mongol/Chinese?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

More precisely, the Hindu civilization.

There is no such thing as Hindu civilization when even the term "Hindu" gained currency during British rule, name me one instance of South Asian historical record that refers to Hindu in the sense your using it. Your trying to make a civilization and then conveniently giving it a label so that it appears that the sun shines from your posterior. You are trying reify something that never existed.

Anyway I have break off now. I don't have time but suffice to say I have busted this argument your peddling coming from people far more able then you. Adios Gangoo.

 

[padamchen]

There is no such thing as Hindu civilization when even the term "Hindu" gained currency during British rule, name me one instance of South Asian historical record that refers to Hindu in the sense your using it. Your trying to make a civilization and then conveniently giving it a label so that it appears that the sun shines from your posterior. You are trying reify something that never existed.

The Hindu civilization (as it is known around the world, except probably Pakistan and islands of Pakistani influence in the West) is the oldest surviving living civilization still practicing its ancient faith today.

Yes, there are many among us who now have adopted NEWER faiths.

But that does not make us less Hindu, in the civilizational and cultural sense.

I guess that is the crux of the conflict Pakistan faces.

Muslim. Torn from India.

But wants the history.

Not just the Hindu tag.

LOL try harder buddy.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Who were your ancestors?

A whole mass of varied peoples. Zoroastrian, Buddhist, Vedic peoples, various belief systems that today might be tagged as proto- Hindus and animists. The Indus has been vortex of history. We are product of that furnace. You are emphatically not. Even if you slapped the label "India" today.

Point taken?

The Hindu civilization

Most of you are nothing but aboriginal peoples with a thin veneer at the top of Western invaders. This is writ in your caste system and on your faces. Now you find yourself trying to clutch at the Indus in some vain hope of getting freedom from the aborginal ancestry that bites at your existance. Now go take a dip in the holy Ganga and reflect on what I said "buddy".

 

[padamchen]

A whole mass of varied peoples. Zoroastrian, Buddhist, Vedic peoples, various belief systems that today might be tagged as proto- Hindus and animists. The Indus has been vortex of history. We are product of that furnace. You are emphatically not. Even if you slapped the label "India" today.

Point taken?

There is no doubt about the facts.

Let us now see what the facts ARE:

1) There was a civilization around the Indus, extending well into what is now Indian territory

2) That civilization mysteriously died

3) Hinduism (and for varying periods and geographies, Buddhism) has been the dominant faith in the region that is now Pakistan, EAST OF THE INDUS, for well over 5000 years. Barring the last 1000 odd.

4) Mithraism and then Zoroastrianism has been the dominant faith in the region that is now Pakistan, WEST OF THE INDUS, for well over 5000 years. Barring the last 1300 odd.

These are the FACTS.

There is ZERO knowledge, undisputed, about what happened to the people of the Indus Valley Civilization.

Did they mass die (get butchered)?

Did they flee south and east into the forests?

Did they stay put and merge with the Vedic Aryans moving east?

What happened then to their civilization? How did it disappear? Where are the links?

WHERE IS THE UNBROKEN CONTINUUM?

The above is what we popularly call historical conjecture.

Not facts.

Great for debates on PDF and Historum.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

By painting the dancing girl on the tail wings of your national carrier PIA, Pakistan does not magically morph into the BLOOD inheritors of the IVC.

All that can be duly claimed is that you currently control territory on which it once existed.

A large part of it, to be really precise.

Cheers.

 

[El Sidd]

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With fortitude, patience and consistency we must keep moving towards 2030 milestones.
Let Mr. Modi do wonders...

In 2030 and onwards things get a permanent nature.

Kashmir is everything. Kashmiris are Paks, by birth, by race, by love and by Indus!

Kashmir issue would have been long solved by 2030.

By 2030 expect the terms genocide and India to be used in a same sentence.

Modi will be seen as Gandhi compared to the new crop of extremists taking shape in India.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Indus River civilization belongs to Pakistan.

 

[padamchen]

aryans didnt build indus civilization they cant claim it as simple as that

Sigh.

 

[Peshwa]

same can be asked about Roman, Greeks, Egyptions and Iranian.. Do you find any of them worshiping pagan gods and wearing ancient dresses... Does that mean their civilzaton belong to gangalanders..

Anyways why should i explain to any gangalander, the fact that those historic sites belong to my country make me more rightful inheritor then any of you gangalander would ever be.

The difference between the examples you quoted and the IVC is that enough information and written history including deciphering of scripts exists for all of those civilizations. None such exists for IVC. So the romans, greeks, and Egyptians can claim that based on this available and universally accepted information.
As an example...Constantinople was part of the Roman empire once because of such evidence, even though its based in present day nation of turkey.
You cannot make a claim without having some basis for comparison when you cant even speak the language of IVC, cant read their script, don't know what their gods were, but want to make a claim purely based on geography...
So by your logic, the turks are owners of the Roman civilization is it?

And please shove your self righteous BS up your ***...if you're going to make a claim, we will question it. That's why we Indians are here...to prevent you from spreading nonsense.
Your lot also claims Kashmir...reality is for all to see! LOL!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Rich coming from an Indian

Nope we formed our country from an artificial country called British India which itself was made from conquering multiple countries inside this region

With 2 yes with the other 2 nope

Ah shucks

"They hate us coz they anus".

- Franco

 

[Zibago]

"They hate us coz they anus".

- Franco

Its ramzan bro only halal lingo

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its ramzan bro only halal lingo

Aftar has passed bro.. its sheitan time on the clock.