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Why Pakistan won't fail

The failed states index is a ranking system by the The Fund for Peace, which is an independent Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit research and educational institution. In other words, it is just the opinion of a non-profit research organization/institute, & does not have anything to do with reality. It is merely their opinion drawn from faulty parameters & a faulty ranking system.

The Failed States Index is subject to criticism, in part, because it takes institutions and data to draw its conclusions, as opposed to the Human Development Index or other more telling signs.
 
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This really has no significance, because a nation that is embroiled in a temporary WOT cannot be judged correctly. Just as there were regular bombings in the UK by the IRA, or what happened in Turkey as well. There were more deaths in India from terrorism in 1994-2005 than what Pakistan has had from 2001-2011. So these rankings are not objective. Btw, the link you have sent has got nothing to do with nothing to do with the economics that you were talking about before.
So what does that have to do with anything ? Pakistan has singularly accomplished in Karachi for the month of January to August what India has accomplished in all of its states put together for this year. The current indicators dictate the current status of a nation. The perspective Pakistan is in is precisely captured in the FSI by the World for Peace foundation. Secondly, the economics of the Pakistani state not being sound is precisely captured by the Dean of NUST. Numbers without inferences, are just that, numbers to hype without reality.
 
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So what does that have to do with anything ? Pakistan has singularly accomplished in Karachi for the month of January to August what India has accomplished in all of its states put together for this year. The current indicators dictate the current status of a nation. The perspective Pakistan is in is precisely captured in the FSI by the World for Peace foundation. Secondly, the economics of the Pakistani state not being sound is precisely captured by the Dean of NUST. Numbers without inferences, are just that, numbers to hype without reality.

The Failed State Index is a ranking system of a research institute, they have chosen faulty parameters & a faulty ranking system, & have been criticized for it. But they are entitled to their opinions, even if it has no semblance of reality to it.

India has had far worse violence than Pakistan over the years, & I have more than enough credible statistics to back it up. The words of the principal of a school have no credibility as compared to the figures of the IMF, CIA World Factbook, UN & World Bank that I have provided.
 
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This is true Pakistan will never fail but only the greedy and evil and corrupt pplz here will fail.....:smokin:
 
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The failed states index is a ranking system by the The Fund for Peace, which is an independent Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit research and educational institution. In other words, it is just the opinion of a non-profit research organization/institute, & does not have anything to do with reality. It is merely their opinion drawn from faulty parameters.

The Failed States Index is subject to criticism, in part, because it takes institutions and data to draw its conclusions, as opposed to the Human Development Index or other more telling signs.

I didn`t understand the theory of failed nations till today... Pakistan is not appearing in any exams for this... they have a whole system to run their country & off course with dedicated & enthusiastic public also to do every thing for their beloved nation..

these opinions are nothing to achieve... IMO these are all propaganda to pressurize Pakistan for bowing in front of USA & their deeds...
 
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Pakistan was expected to collapse and rejoin India in a few weeks after August 14th 1947. Many enemy nations got worried after a few months and tried to destroy Pakistan but the fact is Pakistan was here to stay and established itself on the world map.

So kids from neighbouring enemy nations please get your heads out of your ***** and comprehend the fact that Pakistan is a reality and ain't failing anytime soon.
 
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There were more deaths in India from terrorism in 1994-2005 than what Pakistan has had from 2001-2011. So these rankings are not objective.

Since you're comparing India then you must know that there's a difference. India don't have the largest terrorists bases. The World's most wanted can't hide near the military academy for 6 years. Other countries can't take unilateral action against someone in India. No one goes to our neighbouring country in a boat to kill unarmed innocent civilians. People don't blame us for tipping off the terrorists before the raid. I can go on and on.

If you look at it, you'll find out that its got more to do with terrorism, hence I'm not even comparing economy of India and Pak.
 
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The Failure of the Failed State Index:

The use of the term “failed state” has surged over the past fifteen years, as can be seen in the Google N-Gram posted above showing the frequency of the term’s occurrence in scanned books. A January 8, 2011 Google news search for “failed state” yielded—in the first twelve articles alone—stories on Sudan, Mexico, Egypt, Nepal, Kenya, Pakistan, Belgium, and Nigeria. The first pick, from the Huffington Post, claims that South Sudan is a “failed sate in waiting,” a charge later echoed in The Telegraph. Remarkable: here we find a state that does not yet exist, yet has already been declared dead. Other assertions of state failure seem equally rash; while Mexico and Egypt have problems aplenty, neither is close to systematic state breakdown. But a determined enough critic can apparently find evidence of state failure almost anywhere. A recent AlterNet posting, leaning on the work of Noam Chomsky, declares that the United States is a “semi-failed state,” and goes on to assert that Victorian Britain “meets many of the formal criteria of failed statehood.” If Victorian Britain, which dominated almost half the world, was a “failed state,” we might as well toss the term out.

Needless to say, more precise definitions have been proposed. The Fund for Peace, which along with Foreign Policy magazine has established the influential Failed States Index, has put forward the following criteria of state failure:

loss of physical control of its territory, or of the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force therein,
erosion of legitimate authority to make collective decisions,
an inability to provide reasonable public services, and
an inability to interact with other states as a full member of the international community.
The checklist seems reasonable at first glance, but is difficult to use in practice. The last criterion is seemingly impossible to reach; the state of Somalia controls virtually nothing, yet remains a full-fledged member of the international community.* Other problems further undercut the proposed criteria. An “inability to provide reasonable public services” reflects a broader failure of government rather than that of the state per se, as regional authorities can in some instances deliver. “Erosion of legitimate authority” is a trickier concept, as one first has to assess where legitimacy lies. At the popular level, according to the Fund for Peace, delegitimation occurs through the loss of “confidence in state institutions and processes, [as demonstrated by] widely boycotted or contested elections, mass public demonstrations, sustained civil disobedience…” Yet North Korea, which has experienced none of these things, is deemed an almost completely “deligitimated” state. For all we know, most North Koreans view their government as legitimate; propaganda, after all, often proves effective. North Korea apparently earns its non-legitimate status in the index on the basis of its “massive and endemic corruption” and “the lack of transparency, accountability and political representation,” features that do indeed pertain. But both endemic corruption and lack of representation mark some of the world’s most solid states, including China. The Fund for Peace also views the “violation of human rights” as an indicator of state failure, but massive repression, unfortunately, can solidify the standing of a precarious state, as was recently witnessed in Iran.

The Failed State Index uses twelve indicators, which in turn are divided into a variety of sub-indicators. Some of the metrics are classified as social (demographic pressures, human flight), others as economic (GDP decline, uneven development), and still others political (violation of human rights, intervention by other states, and so forth). Taken together, these various markers can indeed highlight a general level of overall disfunctionality in any given country. But failure in this sense is not the same as state failure. State-run structures of control can remain strong in the face of precipitous economic decline or of human rights outrages. By viewing the “state” as a kind of political-social-economic totality, the Failed State Index loses sight of the state itself, which strictly speaking refers to the institutions of central governmental power, especially in their coercive function. It thus classifies moribund states, such as Bosnia and Herzegovina and Belgium, as much less threatened with collapse than cohesive and repressive states prevailing over dismal economies, such as North Korea and Eritrea. While North Korea might justifiably be called a failed country, there is little evidence that its state apparatus it tottering. Regarding it as such seems like a case of perversely wishful thinking.

If the Failed State Index is a promising but problematic analytical tool, the map that accompanies it on the Foreign Policy website is something else altogether. At first glance, it appears the cartographers have mapped sovereign states from red to green, while using white as an unmarked category to include both dependent territories, such as Greenland and Puerto Rico, and key disputed lands, such Western Sahara and the Hala’ib Triangle (claimed by Sudan, administered by Egypt). Closer inspection, however, reveals a stunning lack of consistency. The regions depicted in white turn out to have nothing in common. Some are dependencies and a few are disputed territories, but others range from autonomous areas, to insular portions of sovereign states, to fully independent countries. Meanwhile, the world’s hottest territorial dispute, Kashmir, is essentially invisible: the area controlled by India is mapped as part of India, the area controlled by Pakistan is mapped as part of Pakistan, and the area controlled by China (Aksai Chin) is mapped as if it were a lake (or perhaps desiccated lake, given that it is portrayed exactly like the Aral Sea!).

A few of the oddities on the map deserve special mention. The cartographer’s most glaring gaffe is the excision of the island of Newfoundland from Canada. France too is shorn of most of its islands; the map implicitly refutes French sovereignty over all of its overseas departments (Guiana, Martinique, Guadeloupe, and Réunion), even though they are as much parts of France as Hawaii and Alaska are parts of the United States. In the Caribbean, several independent island countries (Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia, Dominica, and more) are denied sovereignty, mapped instead as white splotches. Further south, Chile has been divested of its half of Tierra del Fuego. Some autonomous island groups, such as Portugal’s Azores and Finland’s Åland Archipelago, are mapped in white, but not Denmark’s autonomous Faroe Islands. Taiwan, a de facto sovereign state not recognized by most other independent countries, is shown in white, but Kosovo, which fits the same category, is colored. A too-large West Bank is mapped in white, but in the accompanying tables it is aggregated with Israel. Elsewhere the mapmaker takes islands belonging to one country and assigns them to another. The coloration scheme shows Socotra as part of Somalia rather than Yemen, Rhodes as part of Turkey rather than Greece, and the Florida Keys as part of the Bahamas rather than the United States. Similar errors abound. Have the editors of Foreign Policy and the creators of the Failed State Index never checked their own map?

*On May 19, 2010, Somalia asserted its own unchallenged diplomatic standing by recognizing Kosovo, and thereby giving that partially recognized state a tad more international legitimacy.



Read more: The Failure of the Failed State Index « Geographical Thought « GeoCurrents
 
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The Failed State Index is a ranking system of a research institute, they have chosen faulty parameters & a faulty ranking system, & have been criticized for it. But they are entitled to their opinion, even if it has no semblance of reality to it.

India has had far worse violence than Pakistan over the years, & I have more than enough statistics to back it up. The words of the principal of a school have no credibility as compared to the figures of the IMF, CIA World Factbook, UN & World Bank that I have provided.
This is precisely the argument for the opinion maker who is in Pakistan talking to the world about Pakistan. It is just one word against another, hence not credible. Secondly, the numbers in IMF & WB precisely mean diddly-squat because the ground reality in Pakistan is far from the figures. 27th in GDP PPP means nothing. Why does your FinMin run to IMF with his bowl if the GDP PPP is a matter of pride ?
 
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This was a propaganda article by some Pakistani aimed at Americans...I guess at some Pakistanis too...
He has every right to do so...

Indians plz lets not pour rain on their parade...
 
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Since you're comparing India then you must know that there's a difference. India don't have the largest terrorists bases. The World's most wanted can't hide near the military academy for 6 years. Other countries can't take unilateral action against someone in India. No one goes to our neighbouring country in a boat to kill unarmed innocent civilians. People don't blame us for tipping off the terrorists before the raid. I can go on and on.

If you look at it, you'll find out that its got more to do with terrorism, hence I'm not even comparing economy of India and Pak.

Almost nothing you have said has anything to do with failed states. But the fact of the matter is that India has had more violence from terrorism from 1994-2005 than what Pakistan has had from 2001-2011.
 
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As per IMF figures, India's public debt per GDP ratio is 64.12%; whereas Pakistan's public debt per GDP ratio is 56.82%. I guess India is a failed state as well as per Perceptron's argument.

But India still running Railways, Power Sector, Steel Authority of India properly.
 
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Almost nothing you have said has anything to do with failed states. But the fact of the matter is that India has had more violence from terrorism from 1994-2005 than what Pakistan has had from 2001-2011.
So what ? Pakistan has achieved in Bangladesh what has been put together in Kashmir, the NorthEast and the Maoists put together.
 
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This is precisely the argument for the opinion maker who is in Pakistan talking to the world about Pakistan. It is just one word against another, hence not credible. Secondly, the numbers in IMF & WB precisely mean diddly-squat because the ground reality in Pakistan is far from the figures. 27th in GDP PPP means nothing. Why does your FinMin run to IMF with his bowl if the GDP PPP is a matter of pride ?

Yes, the opinion of a research institute (such as The Fund for Peace, which came up with its bogus 'Failed State Rankings') has no credibility, just like the opinion of a school principal has no credibility. However, the factual figures of the IMF, World Bank, UN & CIA World Factbook does have credibility.
 
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pakistan will exist and no body is denying it,but how much,no body knows..:no:

Don't worry about how much of Pakistan is going to exist in the future. There are 5 fingers on a hand and when these fingers combine they form a fist. And each of these 5 fingers stand for Sindh,Balochistan,Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, Punjab and Kashmir.

So stop with the wet dreams.
 
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