Why pakistan should drown it,s mullahs in the arabian sea

[mehul sharma]

Leave his ignorance about India, atleast he is clear about the concept of secularism.

We should encourage him for that being in Pakistan.

I don't think his meaning of secularism is same as ours..lets try to make him understand that's the least we can do for Humanity

 

[janon]

I don't think his meaning of secularism is same as ours..lets try to make him understand that's the least we can do for Humanity

What do you think his meaning of secularism is?

 

[Zarvan]

It will be a violation of geneva convention

Close this thread

 

[LfcRed]

Secularism is a hoax same as democracy. Secularism without judging anyone is just an excuse for non practicing muslims (if a non practicing muslim is considered a muslim) to show their uninterest in religion. How can a muslim be secular when it says in the quran that Allah has chosen Islam as a religion for you. When it says that you have to install the way of Islam in your lives and on earth (in your countries). This was not why Jinnah's or Iqbal or our ancestors fought for and gave their lives for us to leave the religion behind to end up a secular state. I am yet to see a knowledgeable practicing muslim demanding to have secular setup. But as for the ambassadors of Islam in Pakistan the so called mullahs of whom most of them don't even know what they speaking about after they have spoken it is not acceptable as well. They need to act responsibly and here where the govt should step in. The govt should create a body that makes sure who will be preaching the word of Islam in the country and who are authorized to issue fatwas on religious matters out of the extremely knowledgeable scholars who are then affiliated with scholars from other countries. Going from one extreme to another is not the solution. Also sharing the responsibility is the common man of Pakistan who needs to make himself capable and knowledgeable enough to understand what is right from wrong rather than blindly following a family mullah off the cliff.

 

[Menace2Society]

Being over religious or giving the impression you are is a mental problem. Like homosexuality it is a form of mental retardation.

Typically these people are also sufferers of delusions of grandeur and some think they are the hand of God or others who are just psychotic and extremely violent.

The west understood this psyche very early on and phased out the influence of Christian priests from their societies and look at them now. The priests are safely muzzled away in their churches, they molest the odd child but hold no power or influence over society.

Pakistan has not only let them do what they want, they have let them keep their power basses.

So when a psychotic person with delusions of grandeur gets a taste of power, what do you think happens? Child suicide bombers? sectarian killings? bombing markets full of innocent women and children? bombing a school?

Everything becomes game all in the name of religion, but in reality it is to maintain the climate of fear which they use to keep a strong grip on power.

 

[SecularNationalist]

secular countries like?

Like UK,USA,Canada etc the progressed and prosperous nations

Actually India is a pretty good example for secularism. Yes, there have been religious violence a few times, but despite that India is still a country where people of every religion are equal in the eyes of the state/law, and have the same rights and freedoms.

You have to understand that there are hundreds of millions of hindus and hundreds of millions of muslims and tens of millions of other religions living in India. No other country has such a large religious diversity. Even in the west, you can see that as the muslim population has increased, there has been a lot of ill-will from both sides. There are anti-muslin rallies in Germany, muslims in France murdered cartoonists, and so on.

"Ghar wapasi" does not violate secularism. As long as the conversion is willing, it is not only permitted, but is a fundamental right. Anybody can convert to or from any religion. And anybody can peacefully persuade others to convert. The constitution states that all Indian citizens shall have the freedom to practice and profess their faith.

Gujarat 2002 was the last major religious violence we have had. Plenty of people have been punished for it, including a very senior minister in Modi's govt at the state.

As best as i know in india muslims as a minority have no power to convert hindus forcefully to islam.But RSS definitely have that power.Also yes your law protect them but practically there is little protection.

bro I think he isn't familiar with concept of secularism as he is a Pakistani and it is an Islamic country

Off course only you know about the secularism ,the books about the history ,politics and the modern world in my study room have been written by my local madrassa

It will be a violation of geneva convention

How and why?

Secularism is a hoax same as democracy. Secularism without judging anyone is just an excuse for non practicing muslims (if a non practicing muslim is considered a muslim) to show their uninterest in religion. How can a muslim be secular when it says in the quran that Allah has chosen Islam as a religion for you. When it says that you have to install the way of Islam in your lives and on earth (in your countries). This was not why Jinnah's or Iqbal or our ancestors fought for and gave their lives for us to leave the religion behind to end up a secular state. I am yet to see a knowledgeable practicing muslim demanding to have secular setup. But as for the ambassadors of Islam in Pakistan the so called mullahs of whom most of them don't even know what they speaking about after they have spoken it is not acceptable as well. They need to act responsibly and here where the govt should step in. The govt should create a body that makes sure who will be preaching the word of Islam in the country and who are authorized to issue fatwas on religious matters out of the extremely knowledgeable scholars who are then affiliated with scholars from other countries. Going from one extreme to another is not the solution. Also sharing the responsibility is the common man of Pakistan who needs to make himself capable and knowledgeable enough to understand what is right from wrong rather than blindly following a family mullah off the cliff.

And forcing religion to a non religious person is just a excuse for so called practicing muslims to show their interest in religion.Let,s not interfere in each other,s personal lives and let people live the way they want .
Cannot answer the rest of your post because if i answer it will hurt your feelings and things will get ugly.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

It will be a violation of geneva convention

Do you even know what the Geneva Convention pertains to??

 

[lightoftruth]

How can an Islamic republic be secular ?

its conflicting attributes of states.

 

[mehul sharma]

Like UK,USA,Canada etc the progressed and prosperous nations




Off course only you know about the secularism ,the books about the history ,politics and the modern world in my study room have been written by my local madrassa
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UK,USA are secular countries.They killed more innocent Muslims than they killed terrorist.They don't even have 1 % Muslims in their countries how hard that must be to control. India have 20 crore Muslims. Gujrat riots was a reaction to Godhra, Muzzaffar Nagar riots were reaction to the misbehaving with Hindu girls by Muslim youths.In India Hindus have majority so Muslims community suffers more than Hindus but this doesn't mean that riots are initiated by Hindus always.You are living in Pakistan and giving comments about secularism in India. I will ask you how many president of US,Canada were Muslims.Don't go far how many Hindu president have been elected by Pakistan till now. Do you know what was the percentage of Hindus in Pakistan in 1947 and what is that percentage now.
Your books I don't know where they got printed but try to open your eyes. Indian Muslims are living a very much secure life than Muslims living in Pakistan and you can debate with me on this topic for hours I will give you every answer about Indian secularism which your books will never tell you

 

[SecularNationalist]

How can an Islamic republic be secular ?

its conflicting attributes of states.

And why it should be islamic republic in the first place ?

 

[Kompromat]

@SecularNationalist

Because killing people for simply disagreeing with you is what the Taliban do.

How can you claim to be pluralistic while employing the same tactics as the Taliban as a state policy,all at the same time. Don't you think your theory has fundamental flaws?

 

[lightoftruth]

And why it should be islamic republic in the first place ?

Your Country's History tells you why.

 

[SecularNationalist]

UK,USA are secular countries.They killed more innocent Muslims than they killed terrorist.They don't even have 1 % Muslims in their countries how hard that must be to control. India have 20 crore Muslims. Gujrat riots was a reaction to Godhra, Muzzaffar Nagar riots were reaction to the misbehaving with Hindu girls by Muslim youths.In India Hindus have majority so Muslims community suffers more than Hindus but this doesn't mean that riots are initiated by Hindus always.You are living in Pakistan and giving comments about secularism in India. I will ask you how many president of US,Canada were Muslims.Don't go far how many Hindu president have been elected by Pakistan till now. Do you know what was the percentage of Hindus in Pakistan in 1947 and what is that percentage now.
Your books I don't know where they got printed but try to open your eyes. Indian Muslims are living a very much secure life than Muslims living in Pakistan and you can debate with me on this topic for hours I will give you every answer about Indian secularism which your books will never tell you

Why you are criticizing this Pakistani secular when he is openly admitting what,s wrong with his country? I already accepted what,s wrong with us .But it looks like you are a hard nut to crack .I am not a muslim fan boy and my secularism is not just limited to separating muslims from the state,it,s also about giving protection to minorities as well.USA also have plenty of other religions but over there you never see the burning of churches like in india.It,s good your law support secularism but practically it hardly exist.Representing one muslim guy as president but never telling about thousands of muslims suffering all over india ?

@SecularNationalist

Because killing people for simply disagreeing with you is what the Taliban do.

How can you claim to be pluralistic while employing the same tactics as the Taliban as a state policy,all at the same time. Don't you think your theory has fundamental flaws?

And when i asked to kill mullahs? Drowning them in the sea means drowning their venomous ideology.
At least i am not restricting a mullah to stop going to a mosque or forcing him to cut his beard but they don,t have any respect for someone who don,t live like them.

 

[janon]

As best as i know in india muslims as a minority have no power to convert hindus forcefully to islam.But RSS definitely have that power.Also yes your law protect them but practically there is little protection.

Then the "best you know" is not good enough. Nobody has the power to convert anybody by force. Neither the RSS, nor anybody else. Whoever told you that the RSS does that, lied to you. "Ghar wapasi" is consentual.

 

[mehul sharma]

Why you are criticizing this Pakistani secular when he is openly admitting what,s wrong with his country? I already accepted what,s wrong with us .But it looks like you are a hard nut to crack .I am not a muslim fan boy and my secularism is not just limited to separating muslims from the state,it,s also about giving protection to minorities as well.USA also have plenty of other religions but over there you never see the burning of churches like in india.It,s good your law support secularism but practically it hardly exist.Representing one muslim guy as president but never telling about thousands of muslims suffering all over india ?

In USA recently 3 Muslim teenagers got killed due to racism or religion. No violence.Do you know why due to less number of Muslims in USA. I can assure you if in India this had happened than there would be a reaction from Muslims than Hindus and than the riots happens. In India Muslims are getting jobs with ease,doing business with ease. I am living here there is no discrimination. But due to terrorism Govt have to do some reality checks on Muslims to avoid any mishappening. And no country can stop these extra checking even US and UK Or whatever. Every country have some non social elements which needs some violence and they are the one who put meat in temples,burn quran,vandalize Churches. There are many such incidents where meat is found in temple during aarti session. Our law is protecting every religion equally. Secularism is not just for Minorities it is for every religion.
If you don't want to talk about secularism in Pakistan is fine.It is easy to say that "we are failure,lets talk about you" .Have you ever thought why the Hindus and Sikhs who were 30 % in 1947 are just disappeared. Have you ever thought why your country is Islamic not secular.I am not saying we are perfect but 20 crores Muslims and 100 crores Hindus there are large number of anti social elements but our law protect everyone who is innocent.
Owaisi ( a Muslim leader) fought elections do you know what his brother said during a public speech "free us from police we will kill 100 crore hindus in 15 minutes" he is not in jail.If any Hindu leader would have said that and he would be free than you would say "communal India" so meaning of saying is Owaisi is fighting election despite giving hate speeches and he is a MP. I am sure if RSS would be like taliban as you call it they would have killed him till now but they are not taliban they are different very different