Why Pakistan Said No to King Salman of KSA

[Daneshmand]

Tamils in Sri Lanka.

Does not count. Go read my original post. I had said this:

" In modern military history, there is not even a single example of a conventional force having defeated an insurgency on a foreign land."

On a foreign land. Sri Lankans were fighting inside their own country. Bring me one modern example of a conventional force having defeated an armed insurgency on a foreign land.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

" In modern military history, there is not even a single example of a conventional force having defeated an insurgency on a foreign land."

US in Iraq.

Whats that you disagree? Read my signature.

 

[SipahSalar]

Does not count. Go read my original post. I had said this:

" In modern military history, there is not even a single example of a conventional force having defeated an insurgency on a foreign land."

On a foreign land. Sri Lankans were fighting inside their own country. Bring me one modern example of a conventional force having defeated an armed insurgency on a foreign land.

Chechens. I can give many.

 

[Daneshmand]

Chechens. I can give many.

Chechens were never a country. It is Russian territory. Has been since centuries.

Bring me one example. Since you profess to know many.

US in Iraq.

Whats that you disagree? Read my signature.

That was uniquely funny.

 

[SipahSalar]

Chechens were never a country. It is Russian territory. Has been since centuries.

Bring me one example. Since you profess to know many.

That's awfully convenient of you.
Chechnya is as much part of Russia as Yemen is of KSA, in fact a lot more if you go through a bit of history of Arabia.

 

[wiseone2]

Does not count. Go read my original post. I had said this:

" In modern military history, there is not even a single example of a conventional force having defeated an insurgency on a foreign land."

On a foreign land. Sri Lankans were fighting inside their own country. Bring me one modern example of a conventional force having defeated an armed insurgency on a foreign land.

The foreign power will always have some local proxies

Sinhalese were fighting the insurgency in Tamil majority areas
British crushed communist insurgency in Malaysia
White settlers in USA crushed uprisings by American Indians

 

[Daneshmand]

That's awfully convenient of you.
Chechnya is as much part of Russia as Yemen is of KSA, in fact a lot more if you go through a bit of history of Arabia.

You can go on and believe your fairy tales. I would rather stay with facts.

The foreign power will always have some local proxies

Sinhalese were fighting the insurgency in Tamil majority areas
British crushed communist insurgency in Malaysia
White settlers in USA crushed uprisings by American Indians

I guess, you did not read my post at all. I had said, modern military history. Light automatic weapons changed the world. Specially the AK series.

As for proxy nonsense, well, this is no more a proxy war. KSA is itself involved now.

A little humility on your side, will save your day. You do not need to bring in irrelevant instances from history to justify yourself.

 

[SipahSalar]

You can go on and believe your fairy tales. I would rather stay with facts.

Please provide reference. How is Chechnya anymore part of Russia than Yemen is of KSA? You take it personally whenever you can't back up your claims.

 

[Hyperion]

Brother, you took the words out of my deep brain!

Al-Shaikh Horus. The Great Emperor Hyperion. And our loyal jester @Armstrong!

I will favor the military intervention if Yemen becomes Pakistan's autonomous foreign territory after the war is won. That way we will have a tangible stake in GCC as well. Unless there is a piece in it for us, there's no reson to join up.

 

[Daneshmand]

Please provide reference. How is Chechnya anymore part of Russia than Yemen is of KSA? You take it personally whenever you can't back up your claims.

What reference? Are you high? When was Chechnya a country, you have to ask yourself? When it was in USSR? When it was a sovereign state under UN? When it was during Tzar rule? When?

Go read some history, when you are feeling better, then come here and talk. You professed to know MANY examples. But you could not provide even one.

 

[Armstrong]

Brother, you took the words out of my deep brain!

Al-Shaikh Horus. The Great Emperor Hyperion. And our loyal jester @Armstrong!

A Khan doesn't have a brain....let alone a deep one !

Aur jester kissss ko bolaa ?

Its His Royal Highness Armstrong the First !

Besides Khan Sahib....the Arabs are your Habibi; in fact you even want to name your second born as Al-Saud Al-Khan right after you name your first born as Al-Zia-ul-Haq Al-Khan !

 

[SipahSalar]

What reference? Are you high? When was Chechnya a country, you have to ask yourself? When it was in USSR? When it was a sovereign state under UN? When it was during Tzar rule? When?

Go read some history, when you are feeling better, then come here and talk. You professed to know MANY examples. But you could not provide even one.

I gave you multiple examples. Tamils, Kurds, Chechens, IRA. But you are ducking behind your own twisted definition of "foreign land". Chechnya is 90% Chechens 5% Russians, but no, that's not foreign land. Russia INVADED Chechnya in 1850's, nope, not foreign land, they invaded again in 1990's, still not foreign land. They don't speak Russian, sorry it's not foreign land yet.
Yemen is predominantly Arab, always existed as part of some empire along with the peninsula and never independantly, but oh yeah, that is conveniently a foreign land. They even share a common language, ARABIC; but whatever.

 

[Daneshmand]

I gave you multiple examples. Tamils, Kurds, Chechens, IRA. But you are ducking behind your own twisted definition of "foreign land". Chechnya is 90% Chechens 5% Russians, but no, that's not foreign land. Russia INVADED Chechnya in 1850's, nope, not foreign land, they invaded again in 1990's, still not foreign land. They don't speak Russian, sorry it's not foreign land yet.
Yemen is predominantly Arab, always existed as part of some empire along with the peninsula and never independantly, but oh yeah, that is conveniently a foreign land. They even share a common language, ARABIC; but whatever.

You did not give any examples. You are high.

When you are sober, and have read history, come here and we will talk.

 

[SipahSalar]

You did not give any examples. You are high.

When you are sober, and have read history, come here and we will talk.

Wow, best rebuttal ever. Works for every situation i am sure.

 

[WAJsal]

I think this has to do with internal Saudi rivalry inside the royal family. The new king wants to promote his young son and the Sudairi Seven family and sideline the rest of royals. Otherwise, from military point of view this is going to be a failure. In modern military history, there is not even a single example of a conventional force having defeated an insurgency on a foreign land. This is a political problem, and can not be air-bombed to solve. Houthis want to have a say in running of the Yemeni government.

Better would be for a neutral nation to invite a conference where all the sides of Yemeni conflict could talk and reach a political solution. Saudis have outright refused to accept Houthis as a stake holder in Yemen, calling them stooges. And Houthis are angry at Saudi bombing. As the article says, at the end of it, Riyadh and Sana are not ready to compromise at this stage. In my view, Saudis will eventually have to work out a strategy to save face, since their military campaign is going nowhere. The more they push this, the more Saudi position gets weakened. It would be good, for Pakistan to play neutral and mediate.

Do you see any logical point in airstrikes considering there are always casualties(such is the case , just the other day news of many children dying came up )?
Did they engage Houtis for talk or something before this operation ?
Will the Saudis do a ground operation ? @Daneshmand , any news coming up , its not going to be anywhere near easy if they are .