Why Pakistan needs an Aircraft Carrier and long Range bombers

[Ultima Thule]

Pakistan-Turkey-Azerbaijan-Libya-Qatar-Malaysia-Brunei-Afghanistan(Taliban)-Indonesia-Somalia

what that means?????

 

[Armchair]

One cannot do anything with the incredibly incompetent organizations that are hogging Pakistan's industrial organizations. Fix those, and Pakistan can do anything. Good engineering teams build equipment that are profitable. Which in turn feeds money back to them.

Insane retired general run scarce industrial assets run by people taking a lifetime salary scheme and trying to sink anyone who actually tries to do something... that can never achieve anything.

Since Pakistanis only know this latter type, they can't even dream about a better future without their psychopathic countrymen sniggering at them and telling them "you are mad, it can't be done, we are (insert excuse)" and shutting them up.

You see, the sick mind cannot only not dream, but it doesn't allow others to dream.

 

[Ultima Thule]

One cannot do anything with the incredibly incompetent organizations that are hogging Pakistan's industrial organizations. Fix those, and Pakistan can do anything. Good engineering teams build equipment that are profitable. Which in turn feeds money back to them.

Insane retired general run scarce industrial assets run by people taking a lifetime salary scheme and trying to sink anyone who actually tries to do something... that can never achieve anything.

Since Pakistanis only know this latter type, they can't even dream about a better future without their psychopathic countrymen sniggering at them and telling them "you are mad, it can't be done, we are (insert excuse)" and shutting them up.

You see, the sick mind cannot only not dream, but it doesn't allow others to dream.

go rants somewhere else

 

[DrasticMeasure]

To most of you this might come as a surprise that Pakistan policy for upholding justice as envisioned in constitution to help the oppressed anywhere in the world, requires not only diplomatic push to champion for the oppressed but also to use force projection to subjugate that change. The global powers have failed to protect many persecuted minorities and nations, a new order is needed

in order to push this global agenda to help the persecuted, Pakistan need planes like 4 to 5 sq of H6, 2 aircraft fleet along with 5 Type 75 for 1 to 2 brigade size deployment.

Can this new global alliance include Pakistan and new nations like china? What do you folks thiink?

I believe that Pakistanis priorities should be to champion justice in its own territory first. Once that is done then get some Aircraft carriers and move onto other territories.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I believe that Pakistanis priorities should be to champion justice in its own territory first. Once that is done then get some Aircraft carriers and move onto other territories.

what justice do you want, and we have no ambitions of any kind to overtake other territories, and we not needed aircraft carriers or bomber but we need a deep strike jet like J-16/F-15E/Su-34, and thank you for your troll

 

[sohail.ishaque]

To most of you this might come as a surprise that Pakistan policy for upholding justice as envisioned in constitution to help the oppressed anywhere in the world, requires not only diplomatic push to champion for the oppressed but also to use force projection to subjugate that change. The global powers have failed to protect many persecuted minorities and nations, a new order is needed

in order to push this global agenda to help the persecuted, Pakistan need planes like 4 to 5 sq of H6, 2 aircraft fleet along with 5 Type 75 for 1 to 2 brigade size deployment.

Can this new global alliance include Pakistan and new nations like china? What do you folks thiink?

Kashmirion ki to madad hum kertay nahi hain. baki dunia kai dreams dekh rahay hain. We don't need Aircraft career to help Kashmir which is part of Pakistan. I think our establishment and govt needs to grow balls more then anything else. Watch how China is treating India. That is the way. Hum yahan daily bs isi dar sai maray howe hain kai kahin India koi false flag ker kai hamari baja na dai, jaldi sai rona dhona shru ker detay hain International forums pai..

 

[cloud4000]

To most of you this might come as a surprise that Pakistan policy for upholding justice as envisioned in constitution to help the oppressed anywhere in the world, requires not only diplomatic push to champion for the oppressed but also to use force projection to subjugate that change. The global powers have failed to protect many persecuted minorities and nations, a new order is needed

Since when is Pakistan a champion of the oppressed? And who, in your opinion, are oppressed that Pakistan would use its military to protect? Please explain.

 

[maverick1977]

Kashmirion ki to madad hum kertay nahi hain. baki dunia kai dreams dekh rahay hain. We don't need Aircraft career to help Kashmir which is part of Pakistan. I think our establishment and govt needs to grow balls more then anything else. Watch how China is treating India. That is the way. Hum yahan daily bs isi dar sai maray howe hain kai kahin India koi false flag ker kai hamari baja na dai, jaldi sai rona dhona shru ker detay hain International forums pai..

i agree. pakistan should draft 20 div infantry along with massive logistical support for invasion.. 2021 after summer should be the war time.. meanwhile it should not leave any stone unturned for peace..

establishment needs to develop balls

Since when is Pakistan a champion of the oppressed? And who, in your opinion, are oppressed that Pakistan would use its military to protect? Please explain.

so many examples, beginning with your neighborhood.. even within hindu cast there is oppression

Pakistan should declare cast system in india oppressed class and need to prepare for liberation ..

islam is not for just muslims but for justice for humanity and for the oppressed

 

[jaibi]

Being realistic over here, I don't think we require a carrier because it'd be too expensive for us and doesn't play well to our naval role. Instead, I think, as you've pointed out, we need to have a fully functioning naval air arm/ branch with 3-6 Sqns of various roles instead and a well rounded heli-fleet as well as a Naval AD branch.

As far as force projection is concerned then I think that requires us to be an industrial/economic power and provide defence alternatives to allies and developing nations as well as political capital to make sure we can offer protection. Military intervention cannot be achieved realistically speaking and would be detrimental to our overall geopolitical positioning.

To most of you this might come as a surprise that Pakistan policy for upholding justice as envisioned in constitution to help the oppressed anywhere in the world, requires not only diplomatic push to champion for the oppressed but also to use force projection to subjugate that change. The global powers have failed to protect many persecuted minorities and nations, a new order is needed

in order to push this global agenda to help the persecuted, Pakistan need planes like 4 to 5 sq of H6, 2 aircraft fleet along with 5 Type 75 for 1 to 2 brigade size deployment.

Can this new global alliance include Pakistan and new nations like china? What do you folks thiink?

 

[Armchair]

If anything has been learned from WW2 to Falklands in the 1980s is that Aircraft carriers and submarines are the disruptive technology that made large warships obsolete. Yet, the moment peace starts the navies go back to trying to make the next frigate or destroyer. Its as if history did not teach them any lessons.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

If anything has been learned from WW2 to Falklands in the 1980s is that Aircraft carriers and submarines are the disruptive technology that made large warships obsolete. Yet, the moment peace starts the navies go back to trying to make the next frigate or destroyer. Its as if history did not teach them any lessons.

Falkland war had an island base which was more important than carrier. UK used an island as a base to project its power and defeat Argentina. Moreover, Argentina had no missiles back then and hence could not target UK ships. It was like bringing a knife to a gunfight

 

[TsAr]

Pakistan does't need any aircraft carriers to project power, our enemy YOU (India) is in our next door, and its burden on PN, logistic/maintenance/$$$ etc etc etc, and as for Strategic or Regional bombers, can i ask from HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE STRATEGIC OR REGIONAL BOMBERS IN THEIR ARSENALS???,
PLEASE ANSWER ME


CAN I ASK HOW MANY COUNTRY HAVE STRATEGIC OR REGIONAL BOMBERS IN THIRD WORLD ARSENALS???
WE NEED DEEP STIKE JET OR FIGHTER BOMBERS THAT CAN DEFEND ITSELF LIKE J-16/F-15E/SU-34

If you want to ask something ask politely like educated people, writing in CAPITALS letters is not going to get you anywhere......By the way i did not address you when I was writing that post.....

 

[Beast]

How do you protect a carrier or long-ranged bomber? Pakistan can't call upon the various bases the US or UK can, even China struggles to project power and it has long-range escorts and replenishment capabilities. Ignore for a second the US who are in a league of there own and look at Russia, China or India and what they sail with when they put their capital ships to sea.

Kilo, Udaloy, Slava, Admiral Gorshkov, replenishment vessels...

...all to protect one Kirov class, Petr Vilikiy, the flagship of the Russian Northern Fleet as it sails near the Norwegian coast, under constant Norwegian eyes.

Pakistan's Navy is wholly inadequate to provide long-range protection for capital naval assets. You can dream of carriers, but there is a lot more to power projection then one ship and some aircraft. They require their own support team or auxiliary ships and defenders and that's expensive and resource intensive.

China dont sail near other country coast. We sail directly in Pacific Ocean.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180849.shtml

Chinese naval fleet wraps up far sea exercise deep in Pacific Ocean
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/2/26 17:09:11
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The Type 052D destroyer Hohhot (Hull 161) attached to a far-sea joint training fleet with the navy under the PLA Southern Theater Command receives oil supplies from the Type 901 fast replenishment ship Chaganhu (Hull 967) in waters of the Pacific Ocean during its first comprehensive replenishment after the Chinese Lunar New Year's Eve on January 27, 2020. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Yang Jie and Zhou Yancheng)





A far sea joint training fleet of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy returned to base after sailing 14,000 nautical miles and crossing the International Date Line deep into the Pacific Ocean for the first time, a move that challenges US hegemony in the open waters and will become increasingly frequent in the future, experts said on Wednesday.

The fleet successfully completed the 41-day training mission on Tuesday, in which the warships conducted more than 30 training subjects, including live-ammunition fire of main and secondary guns, missiles, wartime replenishment and far sea comprehensive rescue, according to a statement the PLA Southern Theater Command released on Wednesday.

Many of the subjects were new and conducted in previously unfamiliar waters, and involved multiple military branches, the China Central Television reported.

This year's exercise was significantly longer than the far sea exercise of the previous year, which took 34 days and sailed 10,000 nautical miles, the PLA's website 81.cn reported.

During the exercise, the fleet crossed through the International Date Line in a combat-ready state, the PLA Daily reported. The line runs through the middle of the Pacific Ocean, separating it into western and eastern parts, with China in the west and US in the east.

This is the first time a Chinese fleet has done this in recent years, the PLA Daily said.

"Crossing the International Date Line means the Chinese Navy is active not only in the western Pacific Ocean, and it will gradually go deeper from now on into the central and eastern Pacific," Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

The US has always thought of itself as a major influence in these open waters and usually does not want foreign warships to enter them, but the Chinese fleet will break this conventional thinking and hegemony, Li said, noting that the Chinese Navy will sail more frequently and farther, even into the Atlantic Ocean in the future.

The far sea joint exercise is a regular arrangement according to the fleet's annual schedule, and is in line with related international laws and practice, the PLA Southern Theater Command said in the statement.

According to previous reports, the fleet featured warships including the guided missile destroyer Hohhot, guided missile frigate Xianning, electronic surveillance ship Tianshuxing and replenishment ship Chaganhu.

Li said that while Hohhot and Xianning are the main combatants, Tianshuxing is capable of gathering intelligence at sea, building a multidimensional surveillance web together with satellites and surveillance aircraft, giving more combat support to the fleet.

Chaganhu can ensure the fleet's logistical support without having to stop at a foreign port, Li said, noting that its large capacity means it could also accompany large warships such as aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships into the far sea in the future.