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Why Pakistan might be about to side with Saudi Arabia against Iran

because in a 1.3 b population, shit happens and Indians by and large know its normally political.
Hindus are by nature non interfering in other religions and practices. Because Hinduism is very varied.
The recent controversies are storms in a teacup.
Even Kashmiri muslims know that since they are spread all over India. And kashmir is open to all, including foreign tourists.
Stop with the bullshit please. You can fool a foreigner but not a Pakistani.

"Hindus are by nature non interfering in other religions and practices" LOL. Pathetic, Hindus by nature are anti-Islam.

Your hatred towards Islam and Muslims is well known, it's the minority of Hindus who are non-interfering, not the majority.
 
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Yemen has ZERO strategic interests for Pakistan, most of the Pakistanis will struggle to find it on the map , those who do, have mostly no clue as to what is going on there, that is how irrelevant it is for us. Those who wants Pakistan to join Saudi "camp", let me ask as to how many of these sheikdoms send their men and resources to fight alongside us in the WOT imposed on us from American occupied Afghanistan for last two decades?

Iran is a direct national security threat to Pakistan and recent events in Baluchistan have further underlined this without any ambiguity. Our response should be, must be direct operations on the Iranian soil as a tit for tat response. Its our issue with Iran and we must deal with it on its merit, Yemen shouldn't even be in this conversation. But if some nations are desperate to join us in our endeavour to clip Iranian wings, in order to grind their own axe, that is another matter and should be given consideration.
 
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In hindsight Pakistan blundered by not supporting KSA when they approached it at the start of the Yemen crisis when the MNS- Raheel Sharif duo were at helm. The result was a double whammy. KSA and UAE both turned to India. They have given the highest civilian award to ModiGee and also invested billions of dollars in India. Meanwhile India and Iran continued to maintain a level of economic and strategic ties albeit in a clandestine manner.

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Geopolitical threats arent evaluated based only on current and past conduct but must also take into account the capability of each actor, attempt to predict the shape of their interests as it morphs in response to the ever changing dynamics of the geopolitical stage.

In that sense, wether Iran did or did not support or host any baloch radical elements against Pakistan is only part of the equation, a more comprehensive view should evaluate what Iran is capable of as a whole and where do its interests and ultimate aspirations lie.

The radicalization of any sizeable Shia population outside its borders is an ability that the mullah regime of Iran have perfected and one that is detrimental to Pakistan's security.

Given Pakistans Shia population, merely radicalizing 10% of those would spell disaster for Pakistan, one can only take a look at Lebanon, Yemen or indeed, my very own Iraq to understand the extent of this potential threat, and the solution to this problem does not lie within Pakistan's borders but rather outside of it.

To control their Kurd problem, Turkey ventured outside its borders, attempting to change the geopolitical stage into one that while may not completely solves the problem, greatly minimizes the greatest potential damage which is the seperation of the Kurds, Pakistan should take note and realize that the only way to protect itself from a potential sectarian crysis is to make sure that the regional rival capable of taking advantage of this remains too occupied with other conflicts, itself needing Pakistan so as it wouldn't dare to cause problems.

As such, Pakistan should have a carefully calculated presence in the Middle east, create an enviroment where enough of Iran's wings are clipped that the gulf can see a benefit of having Pakistan, but still keep Iran's fangs threatening enough that they would seek its continued assistance.

All for a price ofcourse.

:tup: I wish Pakistanis had the understanding like you do.
 
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And it's only natural that Indians deploy RAW agents with Iranian passports out of the port city that the whole world now knows Iran is competing with against Pakistan, it's only natural Iranian schoolchildren are singing pro BLF slogans in schools with Irani flags clearly seen in the back, only natural that these people we are fighting have even less to do with Iran than they do with Pakistan (both sect and ethnicity cuz they consider themselves NEITHER pakistani nor Iranian no matter what DNA tests some random Persian cuck will send here) and yet they never EVER target Iranian soldiers. I will quote again 164 Iranians vs 4000+ Pakistanis killed in this "ethnoseperatist" conflict is not a negligible difference. This is the exact same largely unfenced border, same region, same people. Ethnoseperatists that hate Pakistanis who have no one race or sect but sit comfortably and direct attacks from a nation named after Aryans and run by Shia Northwestern/Tehrani mullahs? That's the country these ethnoseperatists refused to fight and separate from? Give us a break please. I will never be convinced Iran doesn't have a hand in an ethnoseperatist conflict that has been going on for 50 years but does not spill over into their country. Most insurgencies no matter how well contained spill over. Balochi insurgents just seem a little bit too eager to kill Pakis but act like Iranians who are also 'occupying' their country in the exact same way don't even exist to them
You are repeating yourself in desperation.

First of all, Gwadar is no competition for Chabahar. Chabahar serves an entirely different purpose than Gwadar and it has a much broader vision. It is going to be part of the INSTC eventually which involves some of the region's, and even world's, most important countries in terms of trade. Gwadar does not enjoy the same geostrategic location. Iran alone connects Central Asia, the Caucasus, Western Asia, Eurasia and Anatolia to the Indian Ocean. Pakistan cannot do that. Pakistan at best can be used as a shortcut for China to access the Indian Ocean. So, the importance of Chabahar is not undermined by Gwadar at all, unlike what you guys love to think. The Emirates is already operating ports that offer much tougher competition than Gwadar will ever be capable of and if we want to use this kind of tactics, we will employ them against ports that actually offer some competition not Gwadar that is far from being completed yet.

Secondly, a 10 second video that cannot be confirmed to be real does not prove anything. You are yet to prove that school children in Iran are singing pro-BLF slogans. You see the problem? All of your rants and evidences are sloppy and worthless to be taken seriously just like this one. We do not owe Pakistan an apology or anything because some RAW agent has operated against Pakistan in our soil using counterfeited documents. Again, excluding India, Pakistan has only borders with Afghanistan and Iran (and a small border with China). You can't assume that your neighbors are against you any time something happens in your country. There is no evidence that the Iranian state cooperated with India in this. No Pakistani official has claimed our involvement in it. For example, Qatar hosts the largest US base in the Middle East which has been used against Iran many times particularly for reconnaissance and yet we maintain amicable ties with Qatar because we have no evidence that the Qatari kingdom is directly involved in these US acts.

Thirdly, it is not our problem that your country is incompetent in fighting a bunch of rag tag terrorists. I don't know where you get that 164 Iranians vs +4000 Pakistanis fake stats, but if anything, that only proves your incompetence and does not prove anything about our involvement. As for targeting Iranian soldiers, they have done it many times. Off the top of my head, two suicide bombers of Baluch origin attacked an IRGC bus a few years ago, killing tens of IRGC soldiers. I'm sure a lot of Pakistanis know about this. It's quite famous. Again, off the top of my head, Rigi used to plant bombs in ceremonies that involved IRGC and Army personnel and managed to kill and inured tens of Iranian soldiers. So, this whole idea that no Iranian soldier has ever been targeted is again one of your baseless lies.

In isolation I would agree, because Pakistan was accused of the same thing by the Afghans. Combined with all of the other "coincidences" shows a clear pattern though that is hard to ignore.

Both of Kulbhushans confessions are in English:
Thanks for the video. I'll watch it today.
 
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And those Muslims still support India, this is the difference. They still call themselves Indian and want to remain Indian.
Will be true, forever. Does it make sense to say, do the Chinese still want to remain Chinese. That doesn't make sense because its a natural historical identity. Same for Indian.
 
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Unity in India….

You must be joking right….. maybe you missed RSS mobs lynching Muslims and Christians burned alive or Sikhs crushed under cars…..

Wake up bro
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I am not joking

Even the oppressed muslims dont dare say anything against their india

Its a miracle that a country that size has no major issues beyond kashmir and few naxals here & there

Look at pakistan we have anti national under every rock

Even our main leaders are antinational like nawaz sharif & zardari who got 2 crore votes
 
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What raft of wonderful commitments made by our brothers (troops, expertise, fighting a war) here.
Meanwhile from a Saudi perspective;


Keep good ties with both.
 
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You are welcome to invite Saudis to use Gwadar. Why not? If you want to normalize your ties with Israel, you are welcome to invite them too. There's no issue with the presence of Saudis or Israelis in Pakistan as long as we find no evidence that you are cooperating with them against us. As far as confirmed evidence goes, not just internet tweets by random people, Iran has not cooperated with India to hurt you and our relations with India are solely based on economic benefits. What we do and who we deal with to improve our economy is none of your business, to be more exact.

By the way, if you have a copy of Kulbushan's confessions with English subtitles, please do share. I am curious to see what he says about Iran in his confessions.
Saudi wanted a piece of land on Gawadar to set up oil refinery, but the Chinese refused to share or provide any piece of land to Saudi and Pakistan can't do anything because of the CPEC agreement. Saudi has been offered land near Karachi port for oil refinary. It's a good opportunity for Saudi to provide oil directly from Karachi to China or may be part of India. It's too late Gawadar project is now fully owned by China.
You can't trust Israel, it will take a while to build trust. People so easily forget 98 Israel-India planned to strike Pakistan nuclear reactor.
 
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Geopolitical threats arent evaluated based only on current and past conduct but must also take into account the capability of each actor, attempt to predict the shape of their interests as it morphs in response to the ever changing dynamics of the geopolitical stage.

In that sense, wether Iran did or did not support or host any baloch radical elements against Pakistan is only part of the equation, a more comprehensive view should evaluate what Iran is capable of as a whole and where do its interests and ultimate aspirations lie.

The radicalization of any sizeable Shia population outside its borders is an ability that the mullah regime of Iran have perfected and one that is detrimental to Pakistan's security.

Given Pakistans Shia population, merely radicalizing 10% of those would spell disaster for Pakistan, one can only take a look at Lebanon, Yemen or indeed, my very own Iraq to understand the extent of this potential threat, and the solution to this problem does not lie within Pakistan's borders but rather outside of it.

To control their Kurd problem, Turkey ventured outside its borders, attempting to change the geopolitical stage into one that while may not completely solves the problem, greatly minimizes the greatest potential damage which is the seperation of the Kurds, Pakistan should take note and realize that the only way to protect itself from a potential sectarian crysis is to make sure that the regional rival capable of taking advantage of this remains too occupied with other conflicts, itself needing Pakistan so as it wouldn't dare to cause problems.

As such, Pakistan should have a carefully calculated presence in the Middle east, create an enviroment where enough of Iran's wings are clipped that the gulf can see a benefit of having Pakistan, but still keep Iran's fangs threatening enough that they would seek its continued assistance.

All for a price ofcourse.
Don't worry about Pakistani Shia, our forefathers are the founding members of this country and we are the most peace loving people and don't believe in burning the house which we built with our own hands. Remember the father of the nation is Shia. Many foreign hands try to ignite a sectarian war in Pakistan...but all failed.

Enough Shia massacred in Iraq. Later ISIS and ISIL restart the massacre. All is well as long as Shia get killed and massacred, but they are not allowed to resist..... isn't it !!!!!

List of Saddam's Crimes Is Long (2008)​

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ABC News
February 27, 2008, 9:56 PM
• 4 min read
Dec. 30, 2006 — -- Saddam Hussein was hanged for ordering the deaths of 148 Shiite men and boys in the village of Dujail after an assassination attempt there in 1982. But by the standards of his brutal rule, the Dujail killings were a relatively minor crime.

The exact number of deaths attributable to Saddam Hussein may never be known, but estimates range as high as half a million. There is evidence of more than 250 mass graves dating to his rule.

Following is a list of other crimes Saddam is accused of. The most notorious is his genocidal campaign against the Kurds in the north. The trial for those murders, and for others, will now continue with the remaining defendants.

1974 -- Dawa Killings​

Five leaders of the Shiite Islamic Dawa Party were sentenced to death and killed as Saddam consolidated his power. In 2004, those murders were among many charges announced against Saddam. The U.S. State Department estimates thousands of Saddam's political rivals were killed.

1980 -- Fayli Deportations and Killings​

Thousands of Kurds of the Fayli sect were persecuted. Some were expelled to Iran, others killed. Saddam thought of them as Iranian, and therefore as enemies. Fayli women were often imprisoned or put into camps.

1983 -- Barzani Abductions​

After the Iraqi-based Kurdistan Democratic Party allied with Iran during the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam sought to punish the clan and its leader, Massoud Barzani. More than 5,000 males, some as young as 10, disappeared. Decades later the remains of 512 Barzani men were discovered in a mass grave. They were reinterred in 2005. A letter that shows Saddam's direct involvement in the crimes was discovered in Baghdad.

1988 -- Al-Anfal Campaign​

From February to September 1988, Saddam conducted what has been called a genocidal campaign against the Kurdish population. Gen. Ali Hassan al-Majid, or "Chemical Ali," Saddam's cousin, carried out the Al-Anfal operation using chemical weapons. Human Rights Watch estimates between 50,000 and 100,000 died. Kurdish officials and some international human rights groups put the number killed as high as 182,000. Saddam was on trial for the Anfal campaign at the time of his execution. Six defendants remain in the Al-Anfal case, including "Chemical Ali," who is facing charges of genocide.



1988 -- Halabja Gassing​

During the Anfal campaign, "Chemical Ali" ordered an attack against civilians in the town of Halabja. Iraqi forces dropped bombs containing mustard and nerve gases. An estimated 5,000 men, women and children died in a single day. Many more died from long-term medical problems, and birth defects are still common in the area.

1990s -- Marsh Arabs Devastated​

Saddam attacked the Shiite "Marsh Arabs" by destroying their land. Once a significant wetland, the marshes in southern Iraq were devastated by a government drainage plan that left behind a wasteland. In 1991, 250,000 Marsh Arabs lived in the region. Now 90 percent of the area is in ruins and only an estimated 20,000 people remain. Tens of thousands live in refugee camps in Iran. Efforts are now underway to restore the marshes. Human Rights Watch calls the campaign against the Marsh Arabs a crime against humanity and other rights activists call it genocide. There are claims chemical weapons also were used.

1990 -- Invasion of Kuwait​

In August of 1990, Saddam ordered the Iraqi military, the fourth largest military in the world at the time, to invade Kuwait, leading to the 1991 Gulf War. Iraqi soldiers are accused of torturing and executing hundreds of Kuwaitis, as well as taking hostages and looting. More than 700 oil wells were set on fire and pipelines opened, spilling oil into the Gulf.

1991 -- Kurdish and Shiite Rebellions​

After heeding President George H.W. Bush's call to rebel against Saddam, Shiites and Kurds were crushed by immense Iraqi military force. Saddam turned his military against the people as part of his widespread crackdown after the war. The rebels thought they would have the backing of the U.S. military. Thousands have been discovered in mass graves.

1999 -- Al-Sadr Assassination​

Ayatollah Muhammed al-Sadr, father of prominent Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, and two of his sons were assassinated in 1999. Al-Sadr was a well-liked Shiite leader, and his death spawned Shiite uprisings in Baghdad. As he had previously, Saddam cracked down on the rebellion and hundreds were killed.

In a statement responding to the execution, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki said, "Let the families of Iraqi martyrs killed in mass graves, Anfal, Halabja or those executed in the cells of the dead regime be happy. The mothers, orphans and widows should celebrate the death of the buried dictator."
 
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