Why Pakistan might be about to side with Saudi Arabia against Iran

[QWECXZ]

RAW started to send spies to Pakistan and Kulbhushanwas one of them. Jadav went to Chabahar disguised as trader with the fake named passport of Hussain Mubarik Patel.From Chabahar, Iran and Pakistan has open border so anyone can cross the border so Jadavdid. According to his confession videos, he was involved in financing the terrorist organizations in Pakistan including BLA,TTPand others to destabilize Pakistan and Baluchistan. But, the main objective was to sabotage the project of the investment of 65 billion dollar of china into Pakistan. However, he was spotted around 2010 then ISI which is known as intelligence agency sent there people in balouch separatist and they got the trust of Jadav. ISI was fully aware of the movements of Kulbhushan in Pakistan but didn’t want to arrest him.

OK. And did he say that Iran asked him to hurt Pakistan? Where does Iran come into this whole thing except for him staying in Chabahar?

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Pakistan has allowed the recruitment of Pakistani Shia's to fight in Iranian militias throughout the middle east

Pakistan has allowed Iran getting friendlier with India and creating a competing port to Gwadar with them

Pakistan has allowed Iran to infiltrate government institutions and launder money on their behalf

Pakistan has even allowed the Iranians hosting the BLF on their soil

All in exchange for what exactly? It would be better to remain neutral but Iran has done nothing but cause problems for us the last few years.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

There should be a clear law. Any Pakistani serving any other states aside from pakistan will lose all in Pakistan and face severe penalties including fines and prison terms

This is what treason is but they should expand it so that all property and assets are confiscated, and any co-workers, close family members, or close friends should also be placed under investigation because its hard to believe that nobody would notice their work activities or their finances suddenly improving for no reason.

 

[kingQamaR]

OK. And did he say that Iran asked him to hurt Pakistan? Where does Iran come into this whole thing except for him staying in Chabahar?

No it’s not okay, your innocence is out of order india is enemy of Pakistan what do you think they were going to do in your back water sanction port. we to got lots of ports we will shortly be opening them to so please sorry if our Saudis / Israeli businessmen from our ports attack you we did not invite them to hurt you

 

[QWECXZ]

No it’s not okay, your innocence is out of order india is enemy of Pakistan what do you think they were going to do in your back water sanction port. we to got lots of ports we will shortly be opening them to so please sorry if our Saudis / Israeli businessmen from our ports attack you we did not invite them to hurt you

You are welcome to invite Saudis to use Gwadar. Why not? If you want to normalize your ties with Israel, you are welcome to invite them too. There's no issue with the presence of Saudis or Israelis in Pakistan as long as we find no evidence that you are cooperating with them against us. As far as confirmed evidence goes, not just internet tweets by random people, Iran has not cooperated with India to hurt you and our relations with India are solely based on economic benefits. What we do and who we deal with to improve our economy is none of your business, to be more exact.

By the way, if you have a copy of Kulbushan's confessions with English subtitles, please do share. I am curious to see what he says about Iran in his confessions.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

I think you are refuting your own claims. If you can't control your borders even when fenced, how do you expect us to control ours? LOL It's not like BLF has headquarters in Iran.

Kurdish separatists have official headquarters in Iraqi Kurdistan and have officially declared war on Iran and continue to attack our soldiers and posts at the border and yet we don't blame our own internal security problem on Iraqi Kurdistan and whine like b*tches about how they hate us like you do all the time against Iranians.

And what should our government do about some agent using a counterfeited Iranian passport?


It wasn't in the capital. It was kilometres away from the capital on a road near Damavand. A different city in the province of Tehran.

And he was nowhere close to being the most educated person in our country. And he was assassinated by some of the world's most sophisticated intelligence services, not a bunch of rag tag insurgents like your case.

You did blame us for Jandullah (Soleimani used to whine like a sw*ne he was) and we deconstructed the entire network based in Pakistan of that organization to placate the Khomeinist regime (it took it as a sign of weakness). Yet, you get attacks from that group in Seestan from time to time. No one is saying that insurgency would be surely eliminated if BLF has no bases/sanctuaries in Iran. What we say is that a large support network across the border that is able to ensure high operational momentum and operational flexibility of these terrorists would cease to exist which would have an impact on their operations in Pakistan.

About Iraq, you micromanage that country through your proxy militias, don't bark at the wrong tree. You don't whine like b*tches before Iraqis because they are already in your pocket. It is the American-backed Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq (where Iraq itself has limited influence) where you encounter troubles from. You and your proxies are launching ballistic missiles/rockets, etc at Erbil from Iraq all the time. Maybe that is what Pakistan also needs to do through its proxies to encourage good behavior from the Khomeinist regime that's a lapdog of the Indians and has its own interest in fomenting instability in Balochistan so as to attract larger Chinese economic interest to its own lands.

 

[QWECXZ]

You did blame us for Jandullah (Soleimani used to whine like a sw*ne he was) and we deconstructed the entire network based in Pakistan of that organization to placate the Khomeinist regime (it took it as a sign of weakness). Yet, you get attacks from that group in Seestan from time to time. No one is saying that insurgency would be surely eliminated if BLF has no bases/sanctuaries in Iran. What we say is that a large support network that is able to ensure high operational momentum and operational flexibility of these terrorists would cease to exist which would have an impact on their operations in Pakistan.

About Iraq, you micromanage that country through your militias, don't bark at the wrong tree. You don't whine like b*tches before Iraqis because they are already in your pocket. It is the American-backed Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq (where Iraq itself has limited influence) where you encounter troubles from. You and your proxies are launching ballistic missiles at Erbil from Iraq all the time. Maybe that is what Pakistan also needs to do through its proxies to encourage good behavior from the Khomeinist regime that's a lapdog of the Indians.

Yes, but that is your side of the story that has never been confirmed by us. Our side of the story does not say that Pakistan deconstructed it for us. Our side of story is that Rigi was on a flight to Kazakhstan from Dubai and we caught him passing over the Iranian airspace using a counterfeited passport. In fact, there's a whole documentary about how he was arrested and nowhere Pakistan is mentioned as a source of information or anything.

I didn't talk about Iraq, I talked about the Kurdish region of Iraq which is autonomous. We are in open war with Kurdish separatists and yet we maintain good relations with Kurds in Iraq. It's true that Kurds have Israeli and American tendencies, but our relations with them have never been sour, considering that they are officially hosting Kurdish separatists and they have official headquarters there.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

You are welcome to invite Saudis to use Gwadar. Why not? If you want to normalize your ties with Israel, you are welcome to invite them too. There's no issue with the presence of Saudis or Israelis in Pakistan as long as we find no evidence that you are cooperating with them against us. As far as confirmed evidence goes, not just internet tweets by random people, Iran has not cooperated with India to hurt you and our relations with India are solely based on economic benefits. What we do and who we deal with to improve our economy is none of your business, to be more exact.

By the way, if you have a copy of Kulbushan's confessions with English subtitles, please do share. I am curious to see what he says about Iran in his confessions.

That is why Pakistan overlooked Kulbushan and the whole Chabahar investment in the first place.

However since BLF - an Indian supported terrorist organisation - has suddenly relocated to Iran, and recent arrests of individuals laundering money on behalf of Iran; Its hard to believe that Iran is completely naive to the things happening.

 

[QWECXZ]

That is why Pakistan overlooked Kulbushan and the whole Chabahar investment in the first place.

However since BLF - an Indian supported terrorist organisation - has suddenly relocated to Iran, and recent arrests of individuals laundering money on behalf of Iran; Its hard to believe that Iran is completely naive to the things happening.

Is there an English version of Kulbushan's confessions? I am really curious about it.

It's only normal that BLF trespasses to the Iranian side of the border. After all, only Iran shares borders with the Pakistani side of Baluchistan. I mean who else shares borders with Baluchistan of Pakistan? And we share over 950 kilometers of borders with Pakistan. It's just too long.

 

[airmarshal]

“The Saudis want Pakistan to stop any such recruitment processes in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Previously when the Pakistani intelligence agencies noticed IRGC recruiting Pakistani Shia men for the brigade, they allowed it to happen, but now the Saudis would want the Pakistanis to stop that.”
Pakistan is likely to share such intelligence now, he adds.

I dont think Pakistani intelligence will knowingly allow a foreign intelligence agency to hire its citizen for terrorism. This report does not sound right to me.

 

[Naram_Sin]

Geopolitical threats arent evaluated based only on current and past conduct but must also take into account the capability of each actor, attempt to predict the shape of their interests as it morphs in response to the ever changing dynamics of the geopolitical stage.

In that sense, wether Iran did or did not support or host any baloch radical elements against Pakistan is only part of the equation, a more comprehensive view should evaluate what Iran is capable of as a whole and where do its interests and ultimate aspirations lie.

The radicalization of any sizeable Shia population outside its borders is an ability that the mullah regime of Iran have perfected and one that is detrimental to Pakistan's security.

Given Pakistans Shia population, merely radicalizing 10% of those would spell disaster for Pakistan, one can only take a look at Lebanon, Yemen or indeed, my very own Iraq to understand the extent of this potential threat, and the solution to this problem does not lie within Pakistan's borders but rather outside of it.

To control their Kurd problem, Turkey ventured outside its borders, attempting to change the geopolitical stage into one that while may not completely solves the problem, greatly minimizes the greatest potential damage which is the seperation of the Kurds, Pakistan should take note and realize that the only way to protect itself from a potential sectarian crysis is to make sure that the regional rival capable of taking advantage of this remains too occupied with other conflicts, itself needing Pakistan so as it wouldn't dare to cause problems.

As such, Pakistan should have a carefully calculated presence in the Middle east, create an enviroment where enough of Iran's wings are clipped that the gulf can see a benefit of having Pakistan, but still keep Iran's fangs threatening enough that they would seek its continued assistance.

All for a price ofcourse.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Geopolitical threats arent evaluated based only on current and past conduct but must also take into account the capability of each actor, attempt to predict the shape of their interests as it morphs in response to the ever changing dynamics of the geopolitical stage.

In that sense, wether Iran did or did not support or host any baloch radical elements against Pakistan is only part of the equation, a more comprehensive view should evaluate what Iran is capable of as a whole and where do its interests and ultimate aspirations lie.

The radicalization of any sizeable Shia population outside its borders is an ability that the mullah regime of Iran have perfected and one that is detrimental to Pakistan's security.

Given Pakistans Shia population, merely radicalizing 10% of those would spell disaster for Pakistan, one can only take a look at Lebanon, Yemen or indeed, my very own Iraq to understand the extent of this potential threat, and the solution to this problem does not lie within Pakistan's borders but rather outside of it.

To control their Kurd problem, Turkey ventured outside its borders, attempting to change the geopolitical stage into one that while may not completely solves the problem, greatly minimizes the greatest potential damage which is the seperation of the Kurds, Pakistan should take note and realize that the only way to protect itself from a potential sectarian crysis is to make sure that the regional rival capable of taking advantage of this remains too occupied with other conflicts, itself needing Pakistan so as it wouldn't dare to cause problems.

As such, Pakistan should have a carefully calculated presence in the Middle east, create an enviroment where enough of Iran's wings are clipped that the gulf can see a benefit of having Pakistan, but Iran should still be kept threatening enough that they would seek its continued cooperation.

All for a price ofcourse.

Dude our Shia population.is 10-15% spread out throughout Pakistan
It's exaddurated
Not comparable to iraq or other countries

 

[khansaheeb]

I don’t care about any sectarian and religious angle. Pakistan’s enemy is someone we need to crush. Iran has been hurting us for years. We need to bring down hell on these guys. There is no difference between Iran and Talibans . They are both our enemy:

Why not crush India and the IMF first who have hurt us the most?

@Goritoes

Is he one of them? (The people you mentioned yesterday)

The outlook is very bleak for you if you have to call for support.

 

[satyamev]

And those Muslims still support India, this is the difference. They still call themselves Indian and want to remain Indian.

because in a 1.3 b population, shit happens and Indians by and large know its normally political.
Hindus are by nature non interfering in other religions and practices. Because Hinduism is very varied.
The recent controversies are storms in a teacup.
Even Kashmiri muslims know that since they are spread all over India. And kashmir is open to all, including foreign tourists.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Is there an English version of Kulbushan's confessions? I am really curious about it.

It's only normal that BLF trespasses to the Iranian side of the border. After all, only Iran shares borders with the Pakistani side of Baluchistan. I mean who else shares borders with Baluchistan of Pakistan? And we share over 950 kilometers of borders with Pakistan. It's just too long.

In isolation I would agree, because Pakistan was accused of the same thing by the Afghans. Combined with all of the other "coincidences" shows a clear pattern though that is hard to ignore.

Both of Kulbhushans confessions are in English:

Confession of Kulbhushan Jadhav | Earlier today, the ICJ said Pakistan should take all measures to ensure that Jadhav is not executed till the court’s final decision. Read:... | By Dawn.com | Facebook

Earlier today, the ICJ said Pakistan should take all measures to ensure that Jadhav is not executed till the court’s final decision. Read:...

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