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Why Pakistan has abandoned F-16 Deal with US....???

CORRECT US find only its mean......As you stated they sucked Saudi Arabia....IT was because Saudia was the Largest importer of US arms and may be the largest user of F-15's but now they have started looking at other countries for weapons means no business for US and they ditched them not completely but to some extent.....


Yes Its time to consider but our ACM will not consider brother......They all are F-16 addicts...
Yes and they give stupid justifications for buying it

We can't buy new jet due to training and logistics infrastructure

Is other nations are stupid just give you example of Indonesia they operate F 16 but they are not addict of it they bought SU 30 Too
 
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Yes and they give stupid justifications for buying it

We can't buy new jet due to training and logistics infrastructure

Is other nations are stupid just give you example of Indonesia they operate F 16 but they are not addict of it they bought SU 30 Too
Absolutely alright...
What is meant by "We can't buy new jet due to training and logistics infrastructure"...as they commonly say.
Oh Bhai ye ap ki duty ha k ap train kro apne ap ko new platform k liye k sari umar F-16 ka dilassa liye baitho ga....
 
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Boss it was US who saved you in 1965 when PAK war ammo was down to just 3 days. It was US which send 7th Fleet to hit India, unfortunately they were late. It was US which financed PAK budget several times with grants and other aspects.

Now think what your Himalayan friend did for you? Didn't supported you in 1971 or even in Kargil. Even military conversation which was tapped and released by India happened on Chinese soil. There are no free lunch from China..

Think again!!

I don't really want to get into history with you as your's is as lost as the war that you lost in '65 when you had to beg for a ceasefire that you signed a day ahead of a much small country Pakistan. The US response, upon initiation of hostilities and declaration of war, was to sanction all military supplies including spares.

P.S. It is a well known fact that the Indian Military had exhausted over 80% of her supplies and could not risk continuance of war. The drama that later unfolded in which it was 'found' that the Indian Military made a huge blunder and that they had exhausted only 25% of supplies is as big a BS as any other Indian claim.
 
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One more thing: the cost of an F-16 Jet Fighter varies according to its specifications. What I came to know so far is that these 8 units would have been the most advanced variants that we would get. These were supposed to have more powerful engines and on-board targeting systems than earlier variants delivered to us.
Can you mention what type of "advance upgrades" those F16s were supposed to offer which are not offered by already present block 50/52s?

The problem with pakistan is they always cry and show themselves as victim. Guys dont get me wrong here, you should come out of this mentality here.
I can see few sensible pakistani posters are actually saying what i'm saying.
This deal was good when Americans were giving you the planes at subsidized rate, subbenly it becomes "useless jets" and "planes not worth that cash" come on guys, you can get the product paying full money. That is the rule in the world, never expect too much of free lunch. You had so much of free stuff now learn to pay for what you need.
If not your new masters chinese can give you the J10, another non inducted plane in their own airforce like the JF17.

Nothing wrong with JF17 if that serves the purpose for you, but guys you always make fun of 'Tejas' atleast we know what we are cooking and what it will taste, and we are ok to learn from mistakes and evolve into a better platform.
Where is pakistan and what you guys are doing, you are getting more and more isolated and lonely, and in this situation you cant afford to loose only (so called) friend like china. and these chinese know this and they will not loose a moment to exploit you.
Stop crying
Boss it was US who saved you in 1965 when PAK war ammo was down to just 3 days. It was US which send 7th Fleet to hit India, unfortunately they were late. It was US which financed PAK budget several times with grants and other aspects.

Now think what your Himalayan friend did for you? Didn't supported you in 1971 or even in Kargil. Even military conversation which was tapped and released by India happened on Chinese soil. There are no free lunch from China..

Think again!!

United States always followed it's personal interests, forced its allies to share same interests and in the end United States took the fruit and we were left with consequences to face.
In 62 war they forced Pakistan to not to use option of power to get Kashmir. They promised to resolve issue with talks but failed to show seriousness......
After 65 they put the sanctions and in 71 war their "support" was pathetic......
In Soviet Afghan war, they worked with Pakistan to beat their worst opponent and once it was beaten, they left Afghanistan with its whole mess and Pakistan to deal with refugees and militancy issues.
Then they placed one of the worst series of sanctions on Pakistan for having nuclear program and in 90s and even made them worse after Nuclear test.
And what ever happened after NATO invasion on Afghanistan is same story .......
 
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That's funny because India is the slave of the US. You really think that the US is giving free lunch to India? You think that all the call center jobs and high tech weapons are being supplied as freebies? Think again. India is the new police officer of the US. You will do as the Americans say. Even if that means instability for the region. You Indians are on the payroll of a nation on the other side of the ocean. LOL I'm glad that Pakistan is moving away from such a nasty role.

Who cares about the F-16s anymore? Like you have already admitted, they were good as long as we were getting them subsidized. Now, the Yanks aren't willing to subsidize them anymore. Big deal. We'll move on and look elsewhere because with that kind of money we can invest in our own JF-17 or even get a new fighter.

LOL @ Tejas. Dude, don't even mention that plane. Indians are terrible cooks when it comes to cooking any hardware let alone a fighter jet. You have spent billions of dollars and imported most of the plane from abroad. Yet, despite so much help from the outside world this fighter is a failure like the rest of Indian projects. Indians only like to brag and talk big. We know what your DNA is made out of. It stinks.

Let the Americans exploit slumdog India. We are fine with China as our trusted friend and ally. At least our Chinese friends don't back-stab us at every opportunity. China invests billions of dollars in Pakistan which directly benefits the people of Pakistan unlike US poisonous aid which doesn't even reach its intended recipients. US aid is blood bribe and we are better off without it. In fact, American unwillingness to subsidize F-16s is a blessing for Pakistan. Finally, Pakistan will be forced to look elsewhere, be creative and more self-sufficient. America won't be in a position to scream to do more. For Pakistan it is only a win win.

You need to wake up in 2016, you habe more than 3000 posts and still this naive?
Ever hear of non alignment movement? India was part of that and still have better relationship with Russia and USA. Idia have better relations with both Saudi and Iran, and at the same time with Israel.
We have good relations with China and friends with Japan. What is pakistan at world stage?
When i say you are a stooge of Americans i'm not wrong, you want bloody F16 at a subsidized rate and if they dont give you that you cry like a baby whose lollipop has taken away.
and kid why i said its 2016, because we are the world leaders in software technology and we actually outsource call center jobs to east asian countries, and still not to you. Because even you with all the spell corrections cant write a decent reply.
And if you dont have your F16 what is your airforce? JF17? a plance which your current masters china has not even inducted in their own airforce?
And again wake and see the world in 2016, your CPEC is actually funded by chinese company and they will exploit every paisa from this with hafty toll. CPEC is not for pakistani benefit, its for chinese to not to carry their goods for 12000 km but a short distance through pakistan. you always had Gwadar its not new.

And you are forced to look elsewhere, but where? china and their J10? get them we dont care. damn we dont care anything you have, do you see any reply to your a1 khan where he threatened to target Delhi in 5 mins? we dont care and tired of your rhetoric of threatening with your nuclear arms.
You are epic and a masterpiece man, a guy with more than 3000 posts and still talks rubbish, i cant say more. I seen more like you here like windyjammmy and few others.
I respect few pakistani posters like pakistanforever as he is more realistic but you man a nut case.
 
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It so appears that Pakistan was only interested in the F-16's because they were dirt cheap in that deal. Now that USA has backtracked on its words, Pakistan has better options and most importantly they would be strings free. From now on wards Pakistan should restrict it's interaction with US, It's obvious that US is going back to it's old ways and Pakistan has other priorities.........Pakistan should refuse those AH-1Z's as well and i guess this is the reason why Pakistan has renewed it's interest in Turkish gunship.
Pakistan had made the offer US just didn't find it attractive. US didn't came to offer the F16. If you don't have enough money you don't go to dine at fancy restaurant.
 
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Latest news on ARY stating that President Obama's special envoy, Richard Wilson is arriving in Islamabad to discuss and solve the F-16 issue and the drone attack which has strained the relations between the two countries.
 
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Pakistan had made the offer US just didn't find it attractive. US didn't came to offer the F16. If you don't have enough money you don't go to dine at fancy restaurant.
I am not certain who made the offer first so I'll reserve comments on that. However, since Pakistan has incurred huge loses as a result of US war of terror.........So even if it was Pakistan who asked for subsidized F-16's then that was a merited demand. F-16 issue is over and Pakistan needs to reject all sorts of military deals with the US starting with the AH-1Z's. If someone does something for you the least you can do is not act brazenly ungrateful. While US has shown its true colors again, for Pakistan the options are many.
 
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Pakistan had made the offer US just didn't find it attractive. US didn't came to offer the F16. If you don't have enough money you don't go to dine at fancy restaurant.
The U.S offered subsidised f-16s thus the deal was good, too good to turn down, even with the U.S record as a piss poor supplier

Without the subsidy it is not worth it

You need to wake up in 2016, you habe more than 3000 posts and still this naive?
Ever hear of non alignment movement? India was part of that and still have better relationship with Russia and USA. Idia have better relations with both Saudi and Iran, and at the same time with Israel.
We have good relations with China and friends with Japan. What is pakistan at world stage?
When i say you are a stooge of Americans i'm not wrong, you want bloody F16 at a subsidized rate and if they dont give you that you cry like a baby whose lollipop has taken away.
and kid why i said its 2016, because we are the world leaders in software technology and we actually outsource call center jobs to east asian countries, and still not to you. Because even you with all the spell corrections cant write a decent reply.
And if you dont have your F16 what is your airforce? JF17? a plance which your current masters china has not even inducted in their own airforce?
And again wake and see the world in 2016, your CPEC is actually funded by chinese company and they will exploit every paisa from this with hafty toll. CPEC is not for pakistani benefit, its for chinese to not to carry their goods for 12000 km but a short distance through pakistan. you always had Gwadar its not new.

And you are forced to look elsewhere, but where? china and their J10? get them we dont care. damn we dont care anything you have, do you see any reply to your a1 khan where he threatened to target Delhi in 5 mins? we dont care and tired of your rhetoric of threatening with your nuclear arms.
You are epic and a masterpiece man, a guy with more than 3000 posts and still talks rubbish, i cant say more. I seen more like you here like windyjammmy and few others.
I respect few pakistani posters like pakistanforever as he is more realistic but you man a nut case.

I think your confused or acting stupid im not sure which

Pakistan has extensive relations with countries across the world, Apart from being prominent and having relations with the muslim world
We have superb iron relations with China a future superpower and Turkey a major NATO member we have good relations with the GCC and country's across Africa, Europe, Asia and beyond

Our star is rising and military hardware is being sold to a increasing clientele

We reinvigorated the Nigerian airforce and did such a good job the Tanzanian airforce requested a similar deal

We are selling JF17s to Myanmar and Nigeria (confirmed) and have a few other countries on the line

Jf17 is meant for Pakistan, the Chinese were working on the J10 and we could have just joined them but we wanted more freedom to build and develop the plane how we wanted the chinese company working on the project wirks to the guidelines set by PAF

The JF17 has an array of weapons now but initial priority was given to its air attack, followed by sea attack

Only with block 3 will a ground targeting pod be added, a few years down the line we might go for the J31 but in between the jf17 reaching full maturity and ys inducting our 5th gen option additional f16s were a good boost apart from the shitty American supply problems

CPEC has a whole raft of projects from power generation to infrastructure which will transform Pakistan we are set for high growth and a economic take off

But we still will never give india access to either our market or through us to other markets

Pakistan was more successful then india for the majority of the last 6 decades and if everything goes to plan then we will beat india on most indicators from poverty to food and water security to sanitation we already beat india on some if these
 
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Oh yes ..I should remind myself I'm on pdf and F-16 is an integral part of pdf...now what's the prevalent emotion here?
 
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Latest news on ARY stating that President Obama's special envoy, Richard Wilson is arriving in Islamabad to discuss and solve the F-16 issue and the drone attack which has strained the relations between the two countries.
problem is been if its solved today what makes you think they simply will not stop the supply of F-16 later
the main reason is not congress or pak-afg relationships , its india, india-US relationships have grown and they are doing ther best to ensure it doesnt happen
 
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Well I still think this F 16 Fiasco will be gone soon and F 35s will end up in Pakistan by the time India starts receiving it's PAK-FA. History will repeat itself.
 
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I don't really want to get into history with you as your's is as lost as the war that you lost in '65 when you had to beg for a ceasefire that you signed a day ahead of a much small country Pakistan. The US response, upon initiation of hostilities and declaration of war, was to sanction all military supplies including spares.

P.S. It is a well known fact that the Indian Military had exhausted over 80% of her supplies and could not risk continuance of war. The drama that later unfolded in which it was 'found' that the Indian Military made a huge blunder and that they had exhausted only 25% of supplies is as big a BS as any other Indian claim.

Instead of rhetoric, check neutral links available on defence.pk blog. Enrich your knowledge and enlighten yourself

Can you mention what type of "advance upgrades" those F16s were supposed to offer which are not offered by already present block 50/52s?


Stop crying


United States always followed it's personal interests, forced its allies to share same interests and in the end United States took the fruit and we were left with consequences to face.
In 62 war they forced Pakistan to not to use option of power to get Kashmir. They promised to resolve issue with talks but failed to show seriousness......
After 65 they put the sanctions and in 71 war their "support" was pathetic......
In Soviet Afghan war, they worked with Pakistan to beat their worst opponent and once it was beaten, they left Afghanistan with its whole mess and Pakistan to deal with refugees and militancy issues.
Then they placed one of the worst series of sanctions on Pakistan for having nuclear program and in 90s and even made them worse after Nuclear test.
And what ever happened after NATO invasion on Afghanistan is same story .......

There are always vested interests among nations and no free lunches. Pakistan choose to side with US and instead of choosing economic prosperity opted for Islamic terror. Start grooming private industries instead of Fauji foundation for economic prosperity
 
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Pakistan had made the offer US just didn't find it attractive. US didn't came to offer the F16. If you don't have enough money you don't go to dine at fancy restaurant.

On the contrary. It was the Obama Admin that offered the f-16s (to keep the production line open). The CSF funds (i.e. the payment for services provided by the Pakistan Army for the US - NOT AID) were being underutilized for the past several years so that they could be used to subsidize the acquisition of the F-16s. The reason of the under utilization of funds was told beforehand to the US and it was agreed upon that the funds would be used in that manner from the start.

The US turned back on its words. The f-16s weren't cost-effective without the subsidy.
 
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