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Why Pakistan has abandoned F-16 Deal with US....???

What do you mean "New China colony". I see this as a taunt. Please don't troll.


Our boys in the armed forces are not sitting idle. I am sure they must have some contingency plans for situations like that.
lolzz think again deu to cold war and black market and some very agressive nations with outsanding reverse ingeeniring skills USA has made its supply chain like if it wants to impose sanctions on US made millitarry eqipment no matter how smart or resourcefull you are USA will strangle your equipment with sanctions and there is no one who can fill that gap for USA made equipment and thats the main reason despite all those bravado PAF still cant leave USA and F16s and all other US made militarry equipment when its chinese counter parts are almost fraction of there price and sanction free .... dont trust me ask any person who knows this depertment i mean maintainence of militarry equipment made in USA
 
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lolzz think again deu to cold war and black market and some very agressive nations with outsanding reverse ingeeniring skills USA has made its supply chain like if it wants to impose sanctions on US made millitarry eqipment no matter how smart or resourcefull you are USA will strangle your equipment with sanctions and there is no one who can fill that gap for USA made equipment and thats the main reason despite all those bravado PAF still cant leave USA and F16s and all other US made militarry equipment when its chinese counter parts are almost fraction of there price and sanction free .... dont trust me ask any person who knows this depertment i mean maintainence of militarry equipment made in USA
You are right about USA. We have had a very good taste of US sanctions in the past. That is why in future we are gradually trying to leave US made equipment. Our relations with China are increasing but we will never be a Chinese colony.
 
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Let us just all keep in mind that US policies must serve US interests, as do Pakistan's policies for its own interests. That is the way it should be, of course. Expecting USA to do what is right for Pakistan is mere naivete. The goal of international diplomacy is to align interests for mutual benefit. It is a success where this is possible, and failure where it is not, and the cycle keeps on repeating. A simple concept, really.
Fully agree and its time Pakistan and Pakistanis learn the norms of international relations in the 21st century. Over reliance on any party for any length of time is wrong.It is all about alligning interests.
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not in the U.S or Pakistan best interest for this deal to happen now.
 
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not in the U.S or Pakistan best interest for this deal to happen now.

I think it is in everyone's interest. As @Irfan Baloch put it in other thread.

1) Pakistan gets F-16.
2) US gets more influence and maybe use that leverage to get China off India's back.
3) India gets to NSG at the minuscule cost of 8 F-16s.

If things go according to plan.;)
 
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I think it is in everyone's interest. As @Irfan Baloch put it in other thread.

1) Pakistan gets F-16.
2) US gets more influence and maybe use that leverage to get China off India's back.
3) India gets to NSG at the minuscule cost of 8 F-16s.

If things go according to plan.;)



problem is the raid to kill OBL and the drone strike kill on Mansoor.


U.S clearly does not trust Pakistan.

U.S could give Pakistan 100 F-16s for free and that still wouldn't bridge the gulf that is between the U.S and Pakistan compared to the brotherly love for China

even with 100 F-16 would not be enough for Pakistan and China agree to India NSG. just not happening at any cost.
 
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problem is the raid to kill OBL and the drone strike kill on Mansoor.


U.S clearly does not trust Pakistan.

U.S could give Pakistan 100 F-16s for free and that still wouldn't bridge the gulf that is between the U.S and Pakistan compared to the brotherly love for China

even with 100 F-16 would not be enough for Pakistan and China agree to India NSG. just not happening at any cost.

OBL has been fish food, digested and is now feces at the bottom of the Arabian Sea for years now. Manoor I agree.

You scratch my back I'll scratch yours. These words should sum up international relations.

Pakistan is fighting a losing battle on NSG issue and China is complying because of Pakistan to some extent. NSG member ship is coming for India, if not today then tomorrow. Those Westinghouse reactors are not coming to India otherwise. US did it back then in 2005 and it'll do it again. Arm twisting nations like NZ and Austria shouldn't be a big deal for US.

Maybe Pakistan will try to cut its losses, I don't know, lets see what happens next.
 
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problem is the raid to kill OBL and the drone strike kill on Mansoor.


U.S clearly does not trust Pakistan.

U.S could give Pakistan 100 F-16s for free and that still wouldn't bridge the gulf that is between the U.S and Pakistan compared to the brotherly love for China

even with 100 F-16 would not be enough for Pakistan and China agree to India NSG. just not happening at any cost.

Sir,

The news that the U S spread abput OBL was a bunch of lies. It was due to the cowardice of Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha who kept their mouths shut.

I wrote them---when they were in power to put their fcking pistols in their mouths and blow their fcking brains out for treason against pakistan for keeping their mouths shut---.

They threatened me with dire consequences---and I told them fck you mother fckrs---.



Hi,

A carte blanche had been given to the americans since 9 / 11---for the killings of 3000 americans----and the americans have utilized it to the maximum and there is no stopping it in sight.

Resulting in the murder and deaths of over 4 million mulsims at the hands of either the U S military or thru their governments that they have forced in those countries.

I have written many a times---pakistanis are a stupid nation---only thing they can do is land grabbing ---stealing---cheating---and all other crimes---but have no clue about strategy.

I told them don't let the american christian military into a muslim country---just go in and kill Osama Bin Laden and hand over his dead body to them.

The reason being---once the U S military got in and started killing---it might start liking the killings---and it will seek justifiable pleasure in doing more killings---and it would become a never ending cycle---because there is NO REMORSE NO CONSCIENCE involved when the americans start killing.

Why---because they have given it a name---killing BAD GUYS---and killing bad guys is justifiable---because all the video games say so.

Sadly---I have been proved right many a times in these 14 years regarding this issue.

Let us just all keep in mind that US policies must serve US interests, as do Pakistan's policies for its own interests. That is the way it should be, of course. Expecting USA to do what is right for Pakistan is mere naivete. The goal of international diplomacy is to align interests for mutual benefit. It is a success where this is possible, and failure where it is not, and the cycle keeps on repeating. A simple concept, really.

Hi,

Sir----you make it sound very simple---and it is not like that in the real world---.

If such was the case---then the U S would never would have supported Israel---but it only brings anguish and problems.

The issue with pakistan is different---the problem is that the pakistanis have screwed themselves hard to be in this position---.

What was mathematically not possible to achieve---the pakistanis have done it with their relationship with the U S---.

And there is only one party at fault over here---and that is pakistan---. It would be a different world if Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha had stood up in front of a tv camera and stated that we helped the U S carry out the raid at abbotabad.

We turned the lights off the city half hour before the raid---we stopped military from going to that location---and even when there was a massive explosion and fire when the helicopter was destroyed---we still kept the forces far away---and waited for 45 minutes more when a rescue chinook came to pick up the remaining navy seals---and then we let the slow moving chinook fly out as well.
 
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Sir,

The news that the U S spread abput OBL was a bunch of lies. It was due to the cowardice of Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha who kept their mouths shut.

I wrote them---when they were in power to put their fcking pistols in their mouths and blow their fcking brains out for treason against pakistan for keeping their mouths shut---.

They threatened me with dire consequences---and I told them fck you mother fckrs---.

I swear to you---if I ever get in a position of power---every member of Kiyani family and Pasha family will be executed every where in the world and their properties in pakistan confiscated for not standing up for pakistan.

Hi,

A carte blanche had been given to the americans since 9 / 11---for the killings of 3000 americans----and the americans have utilized it to the maximum and there is no stopping it in sight.

Resulting in the murder and deaths of over 4 million mulsims at the hands of either the U S military or thru their governments that they have forced in those countries.

I have written many a times---pakistanis are a stupid nation---only thing they can do is land grabbing ---stealing---cheating---and all other crimes---but have no clue about strategy.

I told them don't let the american christian military into a muslim country---just go in and kill Osama Bin Laden and hand over his dead body to them.

The reason being---once the U S military got in and started killing---it might start liking the killings---and it will seek justifiable pleasure in doing more killings---and it would become a never ending cycle---because there is NO REMORSE NO CONSCIENCE involved when the americans start killing.

Why---because they have given it a name---killing BAD GUYS---and killing bad guys is justifiable---because all the video games say so.

Sadly---I have been proved right many a times in these 14 years regarding this issue.



Hi,

Sir----you make it sound very simple---and it is not like that in the real world---.

If such was the case---then the U S would never would have supported Israel---but it only brings anguish and problems.

The issue with pakistan is different---the problem is that the pakistanis have screwed themselves hard to be in this position---.

What was mathematically not possible to achieve---the pakistanis have done it with their relationship with the U S---.

And there is only one party at fault over here---and that is pakistan---. It would be a different world if Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha had stood up in front of a tv camera and stated that we helped the U S carry out the raid at abbotabad.

We turned the lights off the city half hour before the raid---we stopped military from going to that location---and even when there was a massive explosion and fire when the helicopter was destroyed---we still kept the forces far away---and waited for 45 minutes more when a rescue chinook came to pick up the remaining navy seals---and then we let the slow moving chinook fly out as well.


can you explain that again in simpler terms :what:
 
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Hi,

Simpler terms---it has been explained many times. Also in Seymour Hresh's interview.


just trying to understand what you are trying to say.


you said the U.S lied about OBL. so was he or wasn't he in Pakistan and killed in Pakistan?? his wife and children said he was.

and have really 4 million Muslims been killed by the U.S since 9/11?

my personal opinion is this entire whole thing has been planned since the 90's

by the U.S,Israel, and Arab countries like KSA.....to target Iran and other muslim countries that are not in the fold like Sadam Iraq and then Mummars Libya, and now Assad Syria, next surely will be Iran
 
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i hope this deal is abandoned its for the greater good.

Experience has taught me that if you fancy a girl and she plays hard to get then don't waste your time chasing shadows.
After declaring your feelings with conviction, just sit back and see the reaction.
Dealing with the Americans is no different. :D


High-level US team due in Pakistan tomorrow

By Web DeskJune 9, 2016 15:49

WASHINGTON/ISLAMABAD: A high-level delegation of the United States will arrive in Islamabad tomorrow amid escalating tension between the two countries.

According to details, US Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Olson and Senior Director for South Asian Affairs at the National Security Council Peter Lavoy will meet Pakistan’s political and military leaderships.

The US team will hold important meetings with officials including Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz, Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif and National Security Adviser (NSA) to the Prime Minister Lieutenant General (retd) Nasser Khan Janjua.

Congressional restriction on financing of F-16 fighters’ sale from Foreign Military Financing program has led to strain in ties with Pakistan.
Pakistans infatuation of the F-16 reminds me of the highschool nerd.
back at highschool there was always 1 geek who would go up to the hottest girls and ask them for a date, all the time the answer was simple, the girl would say no they would laugh hard about how they rejected the wimp., sometimes they'd play around and make the geek think he had a shot, and just when the geek thought he had a date she'd shoot off with the highschool jock infront of him, America is basically that bitch. pakistan is basically that same wimp, they don't have the common sense to realize that this is causing them international embarrassment, once upon a time when things were sweet they had a shot and went to prom and made a few memories with a few F-16s, but now the bitch is only using the geek and making him think that he has some glimmer of hope, theres other hotties around like russian girls, some attractive orientals yet this wimp is self obsessed with 1 stuck up bitch.
 
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i hope this deal is abandoned its for the greater good.


Pakistans infatuation of the F-16 reminds me of the highschool nerd.
back at highschool there was always 1 geek who would go up to the hottest girls and ask them for a date, all the time the answer was simple, the girl would say no they would laugh hard about how they rejected the wimp., sometimes they'd play around and make the geek think he had a shot, and just when the geek thought he had a date she'd shoot off with the highschool jock infront of him, America is basically that bitch. pakistan is basically that same wimp, they don't have the common sense to realize that this is causing them international embarrassment, once upon a time when things were sweet they had a shot and went to prom and made a few memories with a few F-16s, but now the bitch is only using the geek and making him think that he has some glimmer of hope, theres other hotties around like russian girls, some attractive orientals yet this wimp is self obsessed with 1 stuck up bitch.
Russian one is high maintenance type and Chinese one is MILF !
 
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