Why Pakistan does not recognize to Israel ?

[fitpOsitive]

I like your reply.

You guys do realize that India is one of Israel's biggest allies and the 2 nation share a very deep weapons "research" relations. That rules out any kind of technology sharing with Pakistan.

Also, India is Israel's largest weapons buyer. Buys almost half of their foreign weapons sale. And Israel helped a lot in developing India's HAL Tejas.

realy? hm. so thats why this tejas is a failure. by the way, israelis pose as if the are world leaders in technology, but this a absolutly wrong. utterly wrong...

 

[TMA]

The Jewish tradition - backed up by experience - is that G-d is not unjust and will remember the Covenant with Abraham and thus will not dispossess Israel from the Land forever. Israel was evicted by the Babylonians and returned over a generation later under the Persians. Israel was dispersed by the Romans 2,000 years ago and for the past seventy years has thrived despite being surrounded and even infested by more numerous enemies seeking to destroy her. If you are looking for a miracle or a demonstration of G-d's will, do you really need to look further than that?

And what does it mean in Islam when a Muslim seeks to defy G-d's will? As there are no further prophets in Islam after Mohammed, don't you have to look to such otherwise-inexplicable phenomena as Israel to demonstrate error? The attitudes of Hamas et al that "it's just Allah testing us, death to the Jews" is just a cop-out, isn't it?

Well the Quran disagrees with the Jewish tradition (The Quran even admonishes the Rabbis of changing the Word of the Lord God to suit their own desires). The deed to the Holy Land is conditional and the Children of Israel were kicked out by the Romans and chopped up into bits and bobs. They were given another chance when the Lord God sent the Arab Prophet (PBUH), if they only had accepted him but, no, they did not. Then the deed was taken away from them PERMANENTLY and a most awful punishment commenced that would last till the Last Day.

Now it is imperative to understand Islamic eschatology in order to understand the re-claimation of a city that was made forbidden to its inhabitants.

In short it was the Anti-Christ who with the help of Gog & Magog has brought back the Children of Israel to the Holy Land and created a state of Israel which he will make into the ruling state and then he will appear in our dimension of space and time and claim to be the Messiah (as the Children of Israel are still waiting). The Anti-Christ is programmed by the Lord God to carry out this mission. Why? It is both a punishment and a test for the Children of Israel and Mankind in general. The Lord God is punishing the Children of Israel for their wickedness. For changing the Word of God, for murdering the Prophets of God, for rejecting the True Messiah the Son of Mary (PBHU) and for rejecting the Arab Prophet (PBHU) and for trying to murder them both!!

"If you are looking for a miracle or a demonstration of G-d's will, do you really need to look further than that?"

You are being deceived. By the Anti-Christ!! When the Son of Mary (PBHU) returns and kills the Anti-Christ, the Children of Israel will know the truth just like Pharoh (of Moses) knew the truth when he was drowning. But it will be too late then, just as it was for Pharoh!!

I have not done this subject full justice due to lack of time. Please read Imran Hosein and watch his videos to get the full details of the Islamic viewpoint concerning the re-establisment of Israel. Islamic eschatology plays a very important part in understanding this - it is strategically very important for Muslims!!

 

[EnggineerShahjehan]

because pakistanis are servants from brains and hearts . sometime they are faithful servants of king more then king himself

Yes we are servants, and servants of Allah, the least we Pakistani can do is to show solidarity our brother Palestinians by not accepting Isreal as state, although i think this least level of eman but thankfully we have not fallen down from that red line...

 

[Fracker]

The Jewish tradition - backed up by experience - is that G-d is not unjust and will remember the Covenant with Abraham and thus will not dispossess Israel from the Land forever. Israel was evicted by the Babylonians and returned over a generation later under the Persians. Israel was dispersed by the Romans 2,000 years ago and for the past seventy years has thrived despite being surrounded and even infested by more numerous enemies seeking to destroy her. If you are looking for a miracle or a demonstration of G-d's will, do you really need to look further than that?

And what does it mean in Islam when a Muslim seeks to defy G-d's will? As there are no further prophets in Islam after Mohammed, don't you have to look to such otherwise-inexplicable phenomena as Israel to demonstrate error? The attitudes of Hamas et al that "it's just Allah testing us, death to the Jews" is just a cop-out, isn't it?

Satan is alive as per Allah's Will. And also progressing in name of Israel, ISIS and other brutal nations. But tthat doesn't mean We can accept a Evil. This is our integral part that we will never accept evil or wrong dos or wrong doers. even if they are wining can't make us think that let them thrive.

So Pakistan will never accept Israel, even if they stay for million years, even whole world accepts it. We Muslims believe Israel is a evil and has to go.

And no, it is not Allah's Will, but He allowed you to do what ever in this world (Same time us to do obey his orders or not), since this world is the test where you can write garbage or what ever you want. But result is not this world which is why we don't care even Israel become super power of the world. Since we Know what is evil doer's destiny.

 

[Solomon2]

Satan is alive as per Allah's Will. And also progressing in name of Israel, ISIS and other brutal nations. But tthat doesn't mean We can accept a Evil.

Fracker, as the Dawn investigation I posted earlier revealed, Pakistani imams promote the intentional distortion of truth and Qu'ran as a matter of necessity, citing the public good, because "Islam is under attack." Preserving and advancing religious power is the first concern and everything else is reduced to putty. That's why Pakistan still had death-for-blasphemy in its books - because it's preferable for people to die rather than admit this truth of the Qu'ran.

And if these guys are willing to lie about the Qu'ran and hadiths and local politics to get their way, why would you possibly believe them when they claim to tell the truth about a country far away from you, one that they don't permit you to visit under policies you're not allowed to question? What should we call a person or people that falls for such trickery?

 

[TMA]

Fracker, as the Dawn investigation I posted earlier revealed, Pakistani imams promote the intentional distortion of truth and Qu'ran as a matter of necessity, citing the public good, because "Islam is under attack." Preserving and advancing religious power is the first concern and everything else is reduced to putty. That's why Pakistan still had death-for-blasphemy in its books - because it's preferable for people to die rather than admit this truth of the Qu'ran.

And if these guys are willing to lie about the Qu'ran and hadiths and local politics to get their way, why would you possibly believe them when they claim to tell the truth about a country far away from you, one that they don't permit you to visit under policies you're not allowed to question? What should we call a person or people that falls for such trickery?

Yes Pakistani Imams lie about Islam for worldly desires etc. But the Quran does not lie. Read Imran Hosein - he is not a typical Imam! It is from the Quran and Hadith we find out about some Christians and some Jews becoming allies and giving to the world the Judeo-Christian civilization which has/is oppressing the world. It is from the Quran we find that the Rabbis of old changed the Word of the Lord God and did wickedness and the Lord God punished them. An Imam does not need to distort this. This is plain and clear.

By making what the Lord God made illegal, legal and for making what he had made legal, illegal - this was Shirk on their part. And he had made the Holy Land illegal to the Children of Israel!

 

[Fracker]

Fracker, as the Dawn investigation I posted earlier revealed, Pakistani imams promote the intentional distortion of truth and Qu'ran as a matter of necessity, citing the public good, because "Islam is under attack." Preserving and advancing religious power is the first concern and everything else is reduced to putty. That's why Pakistan still had death-for-blasphemy in its books - because it's preferable for people to die rather than admit this truth of the Qu'ran.

And if these guys are willing to lie about the Qu'ran and hadiths and local politics to get their way, why would you possibly believe them when they claim to tell the truth about a country far away from you, one that they don't permit you to visit under policies you're not allowed to question? What should we call a person or people that falls for such trickery?

May be Mosque Imams in Pakistan are lying, but what about news where daily Israeli army killing civilians moving into Palestinian area, firing on the people carrying stones alone? Not 1 2 or 10, 100s of stories are full where (western/eastern) eyewitness were media not some Pakistani Imam.

May be this Map is a lie. Stop fooling yourself, since you also know who is the evil here.

 

[Mitro]

Pakistan should place some of it nuclear weapons around israhell and let them have a high BP all the time .
Pakistan will never accept state of Dajjal and will do anything to destroy it .
The Zionist knows their real enemy is Pakistan and not Arabs or Persian they are just big mouth but when it come to Pakistan it different ball game haha now Russian orthodox Christian is also giving them hard time and delaying their Dajjal arrival so keep on killing innocent Palestinians and try to please your devil see how long you can do that .

 

[Baby-5]

Hi,

Its called Qur'an and do read how they were banished too

@Zarvan Kindly help me with particular ayah regarding this

Qur'an... got it...

 

[Baby-5]

Why cherry pick read the full context even if we take that specific verse:

O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.

Right now Jews are killing Allah's people which automatically makes them not entitled as the next words say so...Allah's cause ALSO equals to love thy neighbour dont spread mischief and a whole list of things they are not doing!

Lets continue shall we:

Actually next verse shows they chose not to:

They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter.
Said two men from those who feared [to disobey] upon whom Allah had bestowed favor, "Enter upon them through the gate, for when you have entered it, you will be predominant. And upon Allah rely, if you should be believers. They said, "O Moses, indeed we will not enter it, ever, as long as they are within it; so go, you and your Lord, and fight. Indeed, we are remaining right here." [Moses] said, "My Lord, indeed I do not possess except myself and my brother, so part us from the defiantly disobedient people." [ Allah ] said, "Then indeed, it is forbidden to them for forty years [in which] they will wander throughout the land. So do not grieve over the defiantly disobedient people."

Do continue reading.....Nowhere does Quran say what you are trying to portray unless you cherry pick

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Even if this is the case, is it fair to open a thread to question the existence of 8 million people???

 

[Dubious]

Even if this is the case, is it fair to open a thread to question the existence of 8 million people???

Hey cherry picker I didnt open the thread nor did I care until someone (YOU) tried to justify it using the Quran by misquoting...

 

[Baby-5]

Hey cherry picker I didnt open the thread nor did I care until someone (YOU) tried to justify it using the Quran by misquoting...

Nice nick-name you gave me, but I prefer baby-5. Also I know that you can't open such threads cause you are an elite and sensible member of this forum. And I didn't misquoted i Just quoted what was necessary to prove my point.

 

[Dubious]

i Just quoted what was necessary to prove my point.

That is misquoting..thank you for admiting

 

[Baby-5]

That is misquoting..thank you for admiting

Sure, "speak truth even if it against you".

 

[Dubious]

Sure, "speak truth even if it against you".

Truth doesnt involve half cut verses, or half told stories...If that is the case, British does tell the truth of terrorists of British Raj which india claims to be freedom fighters...