Do you only protest Israel's actions or the entirety of the state and seek to not recognize its existence, so that you can deny its existence or so that you can limit it to whatever decent standard we may see fit?
I dont question its
existence...My previous posts have established that....I mean how can we deny a country that is already carved?
What I do refuse them is the "new" boundary they carved themselves as illegal occupiers! The same boundary which has been growing (actions) and pushing the locals back attacking them, destroying their homes as well as killing their children! I also reject their hate speeches (actions)
Now if the answer is that you wish for a 2 state solution, then without need of further forethought you should be accepting to the idea of recognising Israel. We in our current state, we are not even in the picture, we're a country of 200 million, disconnected with thousands miles of land and sea, Israel despite being tiny, has a much larger GDP and we have hardly any trade with them either, they have the backing of the most powerful nation and the blessing of the richest block of nations (or so it may seem to us).
If I were to accept a larger GDP with blood on my hands, I am sorry my conscience wasnt nurtured that way....
They have the backings based on sympathy of holocaust, something Palestinians did not inflict on them but the same white people who are backing them did! Technically speaking the Palestinians are scapegoats and the future holocaust for the doing of some nations to another....
So what do you propose be done to further the cause of peace and of legitimate Palestinian statehood? Although Pakistan will remain not very relevant, until it can build up the economy and be a larger player... in the mean time, do we continue to be distant protesters that do literally nothing productive and even when applying pressure be our wish? We're not in any position to issue forth any said pressure, even though none may gainsay us in our wrath and rage at seeing the injustice.
By being distant we are sending a stern warning (though as you say it doesnt yield) but if only other countries had the ability to stand their "humanity" ground and do something similar- no business until they clear their act!
I see by recognizing them (do not mistake this for acknowledging their
existence coz that is not up to us to acknowledge as they already exist), they still hold a doubt in their heads...Mind you we arent the only country standing our ground...
At present, a total of 32 United Nations member states
do not recognise the State of Israel:
18 of the 22 members of the Arab League:
Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen; a further 11 members of
Organisation of Islamic Cooperation:
Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Chad, Guinea, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan. Other countries which do not recognise Israel include
Bhutan, Cuba, and North Korea. in 2002, the Arab League proposed the recognition of Israel by Arab countries as part of the resolution of the
Palestine-Israel conflict in the
Arab Peace Initiative.
International recognition of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now in 2002 the Arab league proposed to recognize the nation in return for a peace initiative which is still lingering but the weak countries have conducted an "open secret" kind of trade....
Some countries that do not recognise Israel have also
questioned the legitimacy of Israel. Some do not accept
Israeli passports and some also do not accept passports of other countries whose holder has an Israeli visa endorsed in it
Now these few who have been firm on their believe and solidarity with Palestinians and against Israeli breaking of human rights rules......have left a small question about what are you doing!
Kehtay hain aqalmandoun kay liyea ishara hi kafi hai...And mind you Israel is posed as an aqalmand nation!
For what little we can do, I'd suggest we recognise Israel, build diplomatic and trade relations, and then see ourselves to be in a position of influence, albeit minor influence, and use it as leverage, as ground for conversation and relations to voice our concerns when necessary, take concrete steps to make our protest heard, and if not heard, then may it be felt. Other reasons for doing this is that it places the Israelis and their supporters in a positions where they cannot delegitimise our protest simply because we already take an extreme stance on their nation, and that in said knowledge they would not wish to heed anything that we say. They can't take the stance that all the Muslim world is somehow against them and that no peace can be had thus with us. The neutral powers can look and perceive that Israel would seek to deny statehood for Palestine yet all the other Muslim nations might recognise it and advise it to seek a resolution.
The ONLY problem with statement is, if we recognize will we automatically have a say to what they do? So far they have not accepted anything said by UN who recognizes them....So far they have also never stopped their transgression when either UK or USA screams at them....but it HAS posed a "question mark" by us holding our ground...Be it a small question but it is still lurking are you legitimate?
1st question should be WILL IT BENEFIT US? - National interest
2nd question should be do we have ANY influence (difference) by recognizing them or not? History and present state of affairs tell us they dont even listen to father UN who the heck are we?
3rd should be can we use ANY leverage against them? Has anything in history worked against them? They will just cry Anti Semitic and in the end we will get a bad name again!
4th they know whole Muslim world is not against them....we ALL KNOW Arab nations have relations with them so the cant say that even now!
Such steps would then also further dent Israel credibility at a diplomatic level and among neutral powers. Right now, the current approach is neither productive nor useful. If we don't try any other way, it is solely because of our pride and in its end it is folly, and perhaps even counter productive.
You are being too hopeful....The stance now is slightly more powerful as it puts a question mark on israel....while recognizing them wont guarantee any cooperation from their side!
stolen land?? According to Kuran, God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there [Sura (5:21)].
Why cherry pick read the full context even if we take that specific verse:
O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.
Right now Jews are killing Allah's people which automatically makes them not entitled as the next words say so...Allah's cause ALSO equals to love thy neighbour dont spread mischief and a whole list of things they are not doing!
Lets continue shall we:
Actually next verse shows they chose not to:
They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter.
Said two men from those who feared [to disobey] upon whom Allah had bestowed favor, "Enter upon them through the gate, for when you have entered it, you will be predominant. And upon Allah rely, if you should be believers. They said, "O Moses, indeed we will not enter it, ever, as long as they are within it; so go, you and your Lord, and fight. Indeed, we are remaining right here." [Moses] said, "My Lord, indeed I do not possess except myself and my brother, so part us from the defiantly disobedient people." [ Allah ] said, "Then indeed, it is forbidden to them for forty years [in which] they will wander throughout the land. So do not grieve over the defiantly disobedient people."
Do continue reading.....Nowhere does Quran say what you are trying to portray unless you cherry pick!
