'Why Pakistan does not pay India back in the same coin?'

[padamchen]

But shouldn't India be given time?

Quoting Swaminathan S. Anklesaria Aiyar, "Nation-building is a difficult and complex exercise, and initial resistance can give way to the integration of regional aspirations into a larger national identity — the end of Tamil secessionism was a classical example of this."

If Pakistan is confident of moral correctness of it's stance, it should keep it's hands off. But it still contemplates interfering with India's internal matters like Khalistan, Maoism and there's allegation that the anti-CAA protests were sponsored by ISI.

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@padamchen

Go through the quoted posts above. Is it true? You should know by virtue of your profession.

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I was really surprised to see you banned.

You might actually be Indian.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I was really surprised to see you banned.

You might actually be Indian.

Woh chhodiye. Answer my question. Read the two posts I quoted and tell whether it's the truth or bluff of the losing party.

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[padamchen]

Woh chhodiye. Answer my question. Read the two posts I quoted and tell whether it's the truth or bluff of the losing party.

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Indian.

Woh chhodiye. Answer my question. Read the two posts I quoted and tell whether it's the truth or bluff of the losing party.

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Bluff of a sinking ship.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Indian.



Bluff of a sinking ship.

That's why the loser ran away before questions could be asked.

@Cliftonite @newb3e @masterchief_mirza

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[masterchief_mirza]

Quoting Swaminathan S. Anklesaria Aiyar, "Nation-building is a difficult and complex exercise, and initial resistance can give way to the integration of regional aspirations into a larger national identity — the end of Tamil secessionism was a classical example of this."

If Pakistan is confident of moral correctness of it's stance, it should keep it's hands off. But it still contemplates interfering with India's internal matters like Khalistan, Maoism and there's allegation that the anti-CAA protests were sponsored by ISI.

Interesting angle. I would say Pakistan is confident of its moral position certainly, however morality is only of use of someone wishes to listen. When Palestinians mention the moral angle of their gripe with Israel, the world puts its fingers in its ears. Pakistan therefore must proceed with its project in light of this limitation. Morality is virtually irrelevant at present. Might is right.

That's really a practical way of thinking. But I'll tell you what's not practical. India was a colony. Indians (Modi answered a US journalist on his visit to Trump in USA) give an impression that their 'country' was divided by Muslims - India never was a country to begin with. That's factually wrong. Jinnah preferred to call partition by Muslims India (Pakistan) & Hindu India (Bharat).

And I tell you what's more practical. Countries, when they make or break do a reality check and change their names accordingly. USSR after breaking did a reality check and named itself Russia. East Pakistan named itself Bangladesh. But India is still India even after imploding. Burma renamed itself to Myanmar because it was called Burma under British rule.

When India does not do a reality check, calls it by a name based on the River Indus forming the lifeline of Pakistan, forgets River Ganga which is included in their national anthem, not declude two sovereign territories of Pakistan from their national anthem to signal a co-existence to its neighbor, the original Pakistan will always be there to thwart India's revisionist and expansionist tendencies as demonstrated by the existence of two countries by 70 years.

On the internet, and outside of it I find it very tiresome to make 'Indians' understand. If one understands, the other doesn't. But Pakistani's aren't worried about anything as long as Indians are not practical or don't do serious thinking except for going where the blowing wind takes them to.

Brilliant post. The "Indians" will reply in their droves to this tinder box reality check. India is a false, manufactured state.

Pakistanis "divided" nothing. Pakistanis simply took what was rightfully theirs from an assorted trick or treat loot bag owned by the British. Indeed, a couple of humbugs with our name on them got stolen by the false construct to our east.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

That's really a practical way of thinking. But I'll tell you what's not practical. India was a colony. Indians (Modi answered a US journalist on his visit to Trump in USA) give an impression that their 'country' was divided by Muslims - India never was a country to begin with. That's factually wrong. Jinnah preferred to call partition by Muslims India (Pakistan) & Hindu India (Bharat).

Of course, in the modern sense, India was never a country. It was always different kings ruling different regions. But we can say that the culture in South Asia was similar.

And I tell you what's more practical. Countries, when they make or break do a reality check and change their names accordingly. USSR after breaking did a reality check and named itself Russia. East Pakistan named itself Bangladesh. But India is still India even after imploding. Burma renamed itself to Myanmar because it was called Burma under British rule.

Didn't understand what you mean by reality check. What's wrong if we continue with the name 'India'. I like the ring of it. The name 'India' gives kind of a modern look, maybe also signifying that we are open to change and embracing progress. Additionally, Burma wasn't renamed to Myanmar to rid itself of its colonial baggage, but it was adopted by the military in 1989 to take into account all the different ethnicities of Myanmar and not only Burmese.

When India does not do a reality check, calls it by a name based on the River Indus forming the lifeline of Pakistan, forgets River Ganga which is included in their national anthem, not declude two sovereign territories of Pakistan from their national anthem to signal a co-existence to its neighbor, the original Pakistan will always be there to thwart India's revisionist and expansionist tendencies as demonstrated by the existence of two countries by 70 years.

River Indus also flows through India. It's not like there is no trace of it in India.

I'll just tell you this: When talking about India, feel free to take into account just present day India and not some distant and ancient India that had parts of both Pakistan and India in its domain.

 

[KhanBaba2]

And I tell you what's more practical. Countries, when they make or break do a reality check and change their names accordingly. USSR after breaking did a reality check and named itself Russia. East Pakistan named itself Bangladesh. But India is still India even after imploding. Burma renamed itself to Myanmar because it was called Burma under British rule.

Pakistan did not rename itself after breaking into 2. USSR was not exactly a country. Two of its constituents Ukraine and Belarus were members of the United Nations.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Pakistan did not rename itself after breaking into 2.

Hehe, good one.

 

[nahtanbob]

Fortunately, smoking is banned in Ramadan. Try saying something new. Something that's just different from the inventory of the likes of you.

by what token do you want leadership of the ummah ??

 

[Lt General]

Pakistan did not rename itself after breaking into 2.

Something is seriously limiting your sense of wonder.

Give me an example of a country which was formed

1. On the basis of ideology
2. Had two wings when it came

... in the history of the world.

Once you answer me, we can continue the discussion.

Two of its constituents Ukraine and Belarus were members of the United Nations.

Mention Ukraine, and Belarus and any other microscopic country but hide Kazakhstan equal in size to India. We see the bias here. Is it because Kazakhstan is Islamic? and you don't want greatness to be associated with Islam? Yes. Right.

Didn't understand what you mean by reality check. What's wrong if we continue with the name 'India'.

India is in denial that the colony has been split. A reality check will help you minus names of two sovereign Pakistani territories from your national anthem. That's called a reality check. Wrong with India is that it's filled with unoriginality. Wrong with Indians is that they don't question their unoriginality. The most dangerous in the world is Hindu fundamentalism.

 

[Lt General]

Additionally, Burma wasn't renamed to Myanmar to rid itself of its colonial baggage, but it was adopted by the military in 1989 to take into account all the different ethnicities of Myanmar and not only Burmese.

They did it to revert changes done to them by colonialists. India - a name given to it by outsiders - has yet to witness such a change.

But oh, India is closely following what Myanmar 'military' did next: Amend citizenship law and exclude Rohingya's from the list. Good.

River Indus also flows through India. It's not like there is no trace of it in India.

River Indus flows through Kashmir, and Kashmir is not India.

I'll just tell you this: When talking about India, feel free to take into account just present day India and not some distant and ancient India that had parts of both Pakistan and India in its domain.

Tell this to your national anthem.

 

[Lt General]

That's why the loser ran away before questions could be asked.

@Cliftonite @newb3e @masterchief_mirza

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I'm a Madressah graduate. I can only answer questions I understand.

You're a graduate of this

You need to learn to formulate questions.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

What's wrong if we continue with the name 'India'. I like the ring of it.

Ask a Greek how they feel about FYROM calling itself "Macedonia", although I believe a compromise has been reached ( ?? @Dante80 ) and the nation is now Northern Macedonia and is dissociated from specific reference to Alexander of Macedon.

Many Pakistanis are alive to the fact that Hindustan has usurped the nomenclature surrounding the river Indus for its own p.r. purposes. It's potentially worse than that. Delhi may truly be deluded enough to believe it has some manifest destiny in terms of expansion over the Indus floodplain. Pakistanis are right to resist such soft attempts at false narrative construction. Not everything south Asian is to do with the nation state of "India", which itself is incorrectly named anyway.

A huge campaign by Indian American academics in USA was recently aimed at precisely this falsehood propagation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-36376110

Pakistanis, Lankans and Bangladeshis and Nepalese would rightly reject such narratives.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I'm a Madressah graduate. I can only answer questions I understand.

You're a graduate of this

You need to learn to formulate questions.

Sir,

I would like to learn from you. Please respond when I tag you in my thread.

By the way, that pic doesn't apply to me. India is a vast and diverse country.

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[Lt General]

Sir,

I would like to learn from you. Please respond when I tag you in my thread.

By the way, that pic doesn't apply to me. India is a vast and diverse country.

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I cant help you prepare for your history exam.