'Why Pakistan does not pay India back in the same coin?'

[Lt General]

one liner with no substance, ignored with no further replies.

Ditto.

I don’t think Iran and Saudi are gonna let Pakistan take any leadership, and turkey is also there in the running.

but you can dream, no one can stop that..!!

I didn't talk of OIC.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Just ignore Indian trolls.

@GeneraI Indeed you have a point for our policy prior to 27 Feb, but I feel like there is no excuse now.

Striking India harder is the way forward. Fascism cannot survive losses, because it promises its people success through tyranny.

 

[Lt General]

Just ignore Indian trolls.

@GeneraI Indeed you have a point for our policy prior to 27 Feb, but I feel like there is no excuse now.

Striking India harder is the way forward. Fascism cannot survive losses, because it promises its people success through tyranny.

Sure, ignored Indian trolls. I know why they regularly need to troll, and the reason is in the last sentence of this post.

Feb 27? Don't miss the wood for the trees. August 05, 2019 should have been the point of no return for Pakistan, at least by Indian calculations. But we dodged India even on that. What was a headache to them has only increased ever since.

The lesson for us Pakistan is peace and progress. So that other nationalities in India (there are 32 of them) associate progress with separation from inept Delhi Hindu rule.

And this is going to come without Pakistan firing a single bullet.

If we play into Delhi's game to repay them in kind ... know that Pakistan is the only factor that unites the otherwise divided India.

 

[halupridol]

I think there was a term,,,, ahaa plausible deniability.
Yes,,, that's it... That's the reason.
Perhaps nobody thinks it's plausible now.

 

[Lt General]

I think there was a term,,,, ahaa plausible deniability.
Yes,,, that's it... That's the reason.
Perhaps nobody thinks it's plausible now.

This juggling of words and the ensuing wordplay has made you drop to 144/153 in the happiness. But I thank you once for refraining from vulgarity.

 

[Krptonite]

It's a truth that Pakistan is on the defensive against every terrorist and violence related activities India does/funds in Pakistan. More people have died in Pakistan due to Indian proxies working along Af-Pak border and in Baluchistan than vice-versa. But Pakistan would not pay India back in the same coin.

Why?

The history of Pakistan is its love for experimentation and change. Esp. when it said Naya-Pakistan to align itself with the paradigm shift in international relations where the locus of national power (and hence the quality of life of its citizens) will shift from military to economic.

The answer is a no-brainer - Pakistan does not want to beat India in its [India's] own game. That's because India's activities in Pakistan are designed to get a specifically shaped response from Pakistan which Pakistan is not giving them, and which if Pakistan does, will

1) fortify the image of Pakistan as a hotbed of 'terrorism' in front of international fraternity forever

2) bootstrap India's drive to isolate and tarnish image of Pakistan in the world and in the words of PMIK will discredit Kashmiri's just struggle for self-determination

3) roll back the $100+ billion CPEC

4) scare FDI's/foreign investors coming in Pakistan

5) rob Pakistan of its future leadership of Muslim Ummah

Pakistan is battle-hardened. But it's also policy-hardened. Pakistan is doing something by not doing anything - by not responding to Indian terrorism Pakistan is giving the lawmakers around the world data. Void of any data to blame Pakistan has frustrated Indian diplomatic missions, an hence the need for false-flag operations in Kashmir.

The wars onward will be least somatic and more economic and knowledge-based, and Pakistan has angled itself best by virtue of its geographical location to benefit from this paradigm shift.

In order to win economic wars, violence need to be shed. India does not want Pakistan to do that.

That's why.

You've gotten some essence of it right, though there are so many complex variable factors at play that it becomes inaccurate or skewed to narrow it down to any one single set of reasons.

Both sides, in our chequered history have a series of upmanship with one another, a series of what works, what doesn't and the subsequent consequences of each. Unfortunately, both sides seem intent to learn the lesson the hard way.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Pakistan is battle-hardened. But it's also policy-hardened. Pakistan is doing something by not doing anything - by not responding to Indian terrorism Pakistan is giving the lawmakers around the world data. Void of any data to blame Pakistan has frustrated Indian diplomatic missions, an hence the need for false-flag operations in Kashmir.

While I think your train of thought is on track; it has given Indians fresh impetus to beat us in this specific game. India's economy gives it a distinct advantage of tackling Pakistan's initiatives. Until Pakistan comes up with wizardry to improve its economic situation in all areas, it will remain unable to dislodge or at least deny India its dominant position in economic warfare.

 

[Lt General]

You've gotten some essence of it right, though there are so many complex variable factors at play that it becomes inaccurate or skewed to narrow it down to any one single set of reasons.

Both sides, in our chequered history have a series of upmanship with one another, a series of what works, what doesn't and the subsequent consequences of each. Unfortunately, both sides seem to learn the lesson the hard way.

Storm is chaotic but certainly there's a sigh of relief when one can predict something by only watching the eye of the storm which is what Pakistani policy makers are doing by not playing into India's hands even though the situation would demand otherwise to a common Pakistani who has bore a lot from last 15-20 years.

I have deliberately omitted some spaces in my description of the problem for thinking minds to weigh in or else it becomes stupendous to elaborate what 'slowly-but-surely' policy of achieving goals of Naya Pakistan entails.

Speaking from Pakistan's POV - a country that has studied only one country in detail since its inception - there must be a reason for Pakistan to refrain from paying India back in the same coin. The point to drive home is that if India being

1. A nation of 1.3 billion
2. World's largest democracy with no shortage of strategists
3. Plenty of monetary wealth
4. $70 billion in defense budget
5. Her retired army men on record to pay estranged groups money to conduct suicide bombing in Pakistan (and it takes PKR 1 million to hire a suicide bombing mission)
6. with more than dozen Indian consulates/terror-launch pads in Afghanistan (where only one would have sufficed if it was a legit consulate)
7. Idealizing Kautiliya who says make enemies of your enemies your friends
8. Haven't refrained from using force of state since day one
9. Not new to communal violence
10. Knows how to kill Gandhi soon after the country's inception. Knows how to kill Indira Gandhi.
11. Openly stating belligerent statement against Pakistan in every election campaign
12. Desire to conspire against Pakistan the intent of which is declared, celebrated, and watched with eyes glued to Bollywood content which is the beating pulse of the nation
13. Have the silent approval of West now to do whatever against Muslims or Pakistan
14. Have diplomatic influence with Afghan & Iran government more than Pakistan has
15. Technologically advanced to maintain contacts and pay terrorists money through dark-web, crypto-currency way without leaving a money trail or digital footprint

... does not know how to conduct terrorism, hire proxies to infiltrate the hitherto fence-less border area of its arch rival and create a mayhem here. One needs to be a infant or imbecile to believe that. Sadly majority of Indians think that India is a victim and not a perpetrator of terrorism in the region.

The above mentioned points are not a praise to India in any way. Pakistani policy makers are weighing their tactics of turning the very strengths of India into its [India's] weaknesses, and this entails not paying India back in the same coin. Let them either respect Pakistan or collapse under their own weight. It seems ahead of time to state that.

While I think your train of thought is on track; it has given Indians fresh impetus to beat us in this specific game. India's economy gives it a distinct advantage of tackling Pakistan's initiatives. Until Pakistan comes up with wizardry to improve its economic situation in all areas, it will remain unable to dislodge or at least deny India its dominant position in economic warfare.

No country has benefited from a perpetual warfare (Sun Tzu).

There was a time Pakistan's GDP was ahead of India for many years so much so that India adopted the 'five-years plans' model of developing the economy from Pakistan.

Wars happened thereafter. Pakistan found it impossible to recover from wars.

A mind that's fit for waging war is not fit for running the municipal and day-to-day affairs of a welfare state.

With the madman at the helm of affairs in India who's trained in old fashion warfare since his young RSS days, there is no reason to believe that India's GDP growth rate will not fall if it pressed so hard on perpetuating violence even if it has to be on rival's soil. It happens so automatically.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Idk man, last time when Imran Khan was at the UN, modi was Sh!ting his dhoti.

For what reason would he have done that?

You see his vocabulary is limited to the things he sees around himself in India.

Watch it, mister.

 

[crigar]

Pakistan strategy is simple we can't fight a two-front war. last time we did the result was very bad for us. so Pak army is just dodging India until unless afghan game reaches to an end and we secure our western border then we will be able to play all the dirty game India wants to play.

 

[Enigma SIG]

No country has benefited from a perpetual warfare (Sun Tzu).

There was a time Pakistan's GDP was ahead of India for many years so much so that India adopted the 'five-years plans' model of developing the economy from Pakistan.

Wars happened thereafter. Pakistan found it impossible to recover from wars.

A mind that's fit for waging war is not fit for running the municipal and day-to-day affairs of a welfare state.

With the madman at the helm of affairs in India who's trained in old fashion warfare since his young RSS days, there is no reason to believe that India's GDP growth rate will not fall if it pressed so hard on perpetuating violence even if it has to be on rival's soil. It happens so automatically.

Based on this, Pakistan lost the initiative as it had a much better economy to work with. Maybe military planners didn't count the economy to be a factor in tackling its biggest opponent; or they were busy playing chess with internal politics to care. Wars have distinctively changed and i'm not sure of doctrinal changes to Pakistan's effort in containing India during this period.

Now that India is far superior economically, Pakistan is on the backfoot; albeit recovering very slowly. I'm not sure how the strategy of not responding is paying dividends since it is evident with recent undertakings by the Modi govt. with regards to Kashmir that Pakistan's policy of wait and watch is failing. Would be happy to be proven otherwise.

 

[Asian.Century]

India and terrorist Hindu are exposing themselves up, I see Pakistanis have realized no point going to the gutter level of Indian govt, army and media....it has a great strategy Indians are now fully exposed desparate to finding escape goats by these weak Indians blaming on Pakistan and China....but to no fruitful benefit.

Indians has now as everyone knows each Pakistanis hate them, the Arabs hate them, Nepalese hate them, left isolated, exposed, terrorist state sponsor, indian muslims, indian christians and kashmiris.

Why become a ghatiya when India has certified to become ghaitya itself.

 

[nahtanbob]

5) rob Pakistan of its future leadership of Muslim Ummah

we know someone is smoking some strong stuff

 

[Lt General]

we know someone is smoking some strong stuff

Fortunately, smoking is banned in Ramadan. Try saying something new. Something that's just different from the inventory of the likes of you.

India and terrorist Hindu are exposing themselves up, I see Pakistanis have realized no point going to the gutter level of Indian govt, army and media....it has a great strategy Indians are now fully exposed desparate to finding escape goats by these weak Indians blaming on Pakistan and China....but to no fruitful benefit.

Indians has now as everyone knows each Pakistanis hate them, the Arabs hate them, Nepalese hate them, left isolated, exposed, terrorist state sponsor, indian muslims, indian christians and kashmiris.

Why become a ghatiya when India has certified to become ghaitya itself.

From a country that singled out Pakistan for having troubles with every neighboring country to wanting to isolate Pakistan from the rest of the world, guess which country is starting to have troubles with all its neighbors and their PM is not welcome anymore at the international fora? It wouldn't have been possible without a counter strategy put in place by Pakistan's policy makes even if it consisted of not responding in the same coin. We want to use strengths of India against India itself, and that seems to be working. India is torn between pleasing it's own vote base, covering up the unfulfilled promises done to voters at the end of term, and providing the world with objective data to back its claim against Pakistan isn't working. For exactly that, India desperately wants Pakistan to respond.

 

[JohnWick]

Idk man, last time when Imran Khan was at the UN, modi was Sh!ting his dhoti.

Lol