Why MR-SAM and S-400 are Crucial to keep PAF Defensive

[AUSTERLITZ]

Such a crucial system but why have Indians not placed order for s400 in last.5 years and still not negotiating??

By the time it gets delivered j 31 will b ready

It is infact a counter to 5th gen fighters until we get our own later.

 

[Mrc]

It is infact a counter to 5th gen fighters until we get our own later.

I think u might get a fifth gen before s 400...

 

[Sergi]

No it won’t be useful at all. PAF is highly trained better breed they can easily over power puny IAF Defense manned by inferior Indians. who am I kidding. 1 = 1000 now I guess
@WebMaster. Nice to know PDF is still what it was few years ago.
Bye bye

 

[randomradio]

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read my above post you will understand that i said the same thing. dont use a shield as a sword or you will regret it.

I doubt we will regret anything.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

I doubt we will regret anything.

Thats what Pharoah said.

 

[SQ8]

The S-350 was mentioned in PAF intelligence reports prior to 2008 and tactics were developed along with weapon purchases to defeat the long range SAM family. Its been ten years to it and the PAF is well versed in their plans to open any and all seals.

That doesn’t mean it wont be costly, but nothing is sealed or safe from severe damage.

 

[randomradio]

The S-350 was mentioned in PAF intelligence reports prior to 2008 and tactics were developed along with weapon purchases to defeat the long range SAM family. Its been ten years to it and the PAF is well versed in their plans to open any and all seals.

That doesn’t mean it wont be costly, but nothing is sealed or safe from severe damage.

The S-350 is a very different SAM, in the category of MRSAMs. It does not have the 250 and 400Km missiles.

 

[SQ8]

The S-350 is a very different SAM, in the category of MRSAMs. It does not have the 250 and 400Km missiles.

Its coverage that matters, the PAF knows how to neutralize it thanks to allies. We can hope for a war to find out then.

 

[Sheepistanis]

The S-350 is a very different SAM, in the category of MRSAMs. It does not have the 250 and 400Km missiles.

China our strongest ally received it's S-400 batteries earlier in the year 2018....Not so difficult to connect the dots from here onwards

 

[randomradio]

China our strongest ally received it's S-400 batteries earlier in the year 2018....Not so difficult to connect the dots from here onwards

That won't change anything much for Pakistan.

 

[Sheepistanis]

That won't change anything much for Pakistan.

Israel forgot to receive a memo from you and went ahead to practice on Hellenic airforces S-300 variant.

 

[randomradio]

Its coverage that matters, the PAF knows how to neutralize it thanks to allies. We can hope for a war to find out then.

I don't know how just knowing the coverage of one system will work out when we are talking about an IADS. The primary radars are completely different for both systems anyway.

And the S-400 will be connected to the IACCS. That would mean the primary early warning for it will be the LRTR, aerostats and AWACS, while acquisition and fire control can also come from the Super Sukhois with CEC. So little to no blind spots there, including escaping to low altitudes.

I would say the PAF will only begin to develop capability against this bubble once Neuron class jets become available in its inventory. Saturation attacks will not be PAF's cup of tea.

Israel forgot to receive a memo from you and went ahead to practice on Hellenic airforces S-300 variant.

Greece's S-300 PMU-1 is ancient. Exercising against it provides no benefit against the S-400, let alone India's upcoming IADS.

 

[Sheepistanis]

Greece's S-300 PMU-1 is ancient. Exercising against it provides no benefit against the S-400, let alone India's upcoming IADS.

Are you pretending to be thick or are you for real? China has got S-400, Pakistan can have access to it in no time, perhaps it already did. All weapon systems can be exploited and S-400 is no exception. Period

 

[thinkingcap81]

The S-350 was mentioned in PAF intelligence reports prior to 2008 and tactics were developed along with weapon purchases to defeat the long range SAM family. Its been ten years to it and the PAF is well versed in their plans to open any and all seals.

That doesn’t mean it wont be costly, but nothing is sealed or safe from severe damage.

The Chinese have purchased S400 based on their potential threats like US and to some extent India.

So if S400 can make US feel uneasy then PAF will find it extremely difficult to overcome India's S400 threat.

How will PAF weigh the cost-benefit analysis?

Or are you referring to S350 only?

 

[randomradio]

Are you pretending to be thick or are you for real? China has got S-400, Pakistan can have access to it in no time, perhaps it already did. All weapon systems can be exploited and S-400 is no exception. Period

How does that change anything? There is a limit to how much you can train with it and then bring that experience against India.

India's SAM network is a complete IADS. Even if you somehow manage to defeat the S-400's acquisition radar, you can still be attacked with the S-400's missiles through the use of an off-board radar, like the MKI.

Against the S-400 alone, the weakest link is its radars. You take out the radars, the entire SAM system becomes useless. But against India's IADS, the weakest link is the S-400's TEL. Meaning, you have no choice but to take out the TELs before the TEL can fire at you, because with or without its radars, it will fire at you.

And this is not even considering the differences in tactics and the presence of other SAMs.

Forget Pakistan. India's S-400 will be effective against China, and China's S-400 will be effective against India, even though we will end up operating the same system. Even if Vietnam and Indonesia buy the S-400, it will be effective against China.