Why most of muslims afraid of discussing their religion? ?

[I.R.A]

So you want a change in God's creation ..Hmm you think it's not perfect and you want to struggle for its perfection

Buddy I hope you are not under influence of any drugs right now. Pondering upon creation and wanting a change in creation are two very different things. You have gone totally 180 ........ and failed to understand my post or you are deliberately trying to deflect now.

..You want everyone one to worship one true single God because you do so ??

???? Where did I say I want you or everyone else to worship the only God?

I told you what I think of worshiping and its forms.

 

[I.R.A]

How is that any different from what you do during your annual pilgrimage?

Buddy that annual pilgrimage was our annual conference where the governors and people would gather and their duties be handed, instructions would be passed and the problems of their areas would be listened to. We don't worship any stone in there ....... its our center symbolizing our unity. Its the place which teaches us our humanness, the place that reminds us of humility, one direction we together strive for. Rituals are symbolic submission to reaffirm that I /we totally submit and would perform the duties being Muslims.

Why do you face in that direction when you pray?

Genuine questions.

Cheers, Doc

The above should have answered the question .... if its unclear let me know.

 

[zip]

Buddy I hope you are not under influence of any drugs right now. Pondering upon creation and wanting a change in creation are two very different things. You have gone totally 180 ........ and failed to understand my post or you are deliberately trying to deflect now.



???? Where did I say I want you or everyone else to worship the only God?

I told you what I think of worshiping and its forms.

So it is just your understanding of worshipping and it's form ..You are just pondering and don't really want any changes in perfect creation ..Above all you think I am a druggist !! Ha ha ..You can argue with true spirit but it is not good to take imaginary high ground by thinking others low ..

Buddy that annual pilgrimage was our annual conference where the governors and people would gather and their duties be handed, instructions would be passed and the problems of their areas would be listened to. We don't worship any stone in there ....... its our center symbolizing our unity. Its the place which teaches us our humanness, the place that reminds us of humility, one direction we together strive for. Rituals are symbolic submission to reaffirm that I /we totally submit and would perform the duties being Muslims.



The above should have answered the question .... if its unclear let me know.

So all these good things can be done anywhere and everywhere right ? If it's a good thing then it can be done multiple times right ? Draw the parallel to outside and you will get what others think they are doing ..

 

[I.R.A]

So it is just your understanding of worshipping and it's form ..You are just pondering and don't really want any changes in perfect creation ..

Why would I ever in my right mind want changes to a perfect creation?

Above all you think I am a druggist !! Ha ha ..

Your responses and deflections give me that impression. You are no more coherent and you don't make any sense anymore ......... it seems like you wish for an escape now ....... You are trying to associates words and things that I never said ....... can we be honest please?

You can argue with true spirit but it is not good to take imaginary high ground by thinking others low ..

Again ........ its your inferiority complex talking ...... I never mentioned anything about high ground or low ground. I simply said a human (that includes all the ones with intelligence) would never worship something that is inferior to them .......... now if you wish to refute that and prove me wrong ...... please be my guest, but do try to remain intelligent.

So all these good things can be done anywhere and everywhere right ? If it's a good thing then it can be done multiple times right ? Draw the parallel to outside and you will get what others think they are doing ..

You should have paid attention to the word righteous in the verses I quoted. No sane person can ever stop someone from a righteous act, no sane person would ever name call you or me for doing a righteous deed. So where is the confusion?

 

[padamchen]

Buddy that annual pilgrimage was our annual conference where the governors and people would gather and their duties be handed, instructions would be passed and the problems of their areas would be listened to. We don't worship any stone in there ....... its our center symbolizing our unity. Its the place which teaches us our humanness, the place that reminds us of humility, one direction we together strive for. Rituals are symbolic submission to reaffirm that I /we totally submit and would perform the duties being Muslims.

The above should have answered the question .... if its unclear let me know.

Thanks for that info. Is the black square shaped structure we see in all the photos a single monolithic rock? Or is it a building and there is a stone within?

What is that stone? Why do people kiss it?

The Shias too have a big chariot with a lot of stuff inside during Muharram. What is that?

What I'm trying to get at is that Hindus do not worship idols as is wrongly assumed. Idol worship itself is not Vedic. It is late Puranic.

But I am hardly an expert on Hinduism .... just what I know where it branches out and then diverges from its ancient Aryan homeland and theology.

Cheers, Doc

 

[zip]

Why would I ever in my right mind want changes to a perfect creation?



Your responses and deflections give me that impression. You are no more coherent and you don't make any sense anymore ......... it seems like you wish for an escape now ....... You are trying to associates words and things that I never said ....... can we be honest please?



Again ........ its your inferiority complex talking ...... I never mentioned anything about high ground or low ground. I simply said a human (that includes all the ones with intelligence) would never worship something that is inferior to them .......... now if you wish to refute that and prove me wrong ...... please be my guest, but do try to remain intelligent.

What are inferior to humans ?

 

[I.R.A]

Thanks for that info. Is the black square shaped structure we see in all the photos a single monolithic rock? Or is it a building and there is a stone within?

Its a building that was constructed by Abraham for the humans. There is no rock in there. Its supposed to be a center, a reminder for the true role and responsibility.

What is that stone? Why do people kiss it?

That stone which gets kissed by people, was stolen in the past. So personally I don't put much importance to that stone. It being there or not there doesn't add or remove anything from Islam and my duties as being a Muslim

The Shias too have a big chariot with a lot of stuff inside during Muharram. What is that?

I am not Shia, I am not Sunni ..... can't answer anything involving their practices.

What I'm trying to get at is that Hindus do not worship idols as is wrongly assumed. Idol worship itself is not Vedic. It is late Puranic.

They bow down to clay, stone made structures ........ or no? If no then what these statues are for?

What are inferior to humans ?

What do you think?

 

[padamchen]

I am not Shia, I am not Sunni ..... can't answer anything involving their practices.

I thought you were only a Muslim ...

They bow down to clay, stone made structures ........ or no? If no then what these statues are for?

As a manifestation of God. A resident deity. Power center.

Much like your black building.

Not much like. Exactly like.

Cheers, Doc

 

[zip]

Its a building that was constructed by Abraham for the humans. There is no rock in there. Its supposed to be a center, a reminder for the true role and responsibility.



That stone which gets kissed by people, was stolen in the past. So personally I don't put much importance to that stone. It being there or not there doesn't add or remove anything from Islam and my duties as being a Muslim



I am not Shia, I am not Sunni ..... can't answer anything involving their practices.



They bow down to clay, stone made structures ........ or no? If no then what these statues are for?



What do you think?

I think ad according to you if God is present everywhere and all are his creation there is nothing inferior or superior in his presence..Now tell me what is inferior to human ? Third time I am asking as you want to argue based on this only ..

 

[padamchen]

I think ad according to you if God is present everywhere and all are his creation there is nothing inferior or superior in his presence..Now tell me what is inferior to human ? Third time I am asking as you want to argue based on this only ..

He means animals.

I think ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[zip]

He means animals.

I think ....

Cheers, Doc

Let it come out of one perfect creation thinking itself above all other perfect creations ..

 

[I.R.A]

I thought you were only a Muslim ...

And how my answer negates this? I am only a Muslim ... not Shia, not Sunni.

As a manifestation of God. A resident deity. Power center.

Much like your black building.

Not much like. Exactly like.

False.

You statement carries factual fallacy. Not as in regards to Hindus, but your understanding of Kaba.

I think ad according to you if God is present everywhere and all are his creation there is nothing inferior or superior in his presence..Now tell me what is inferior to human ? Third time I am asking as you want to argue based on this only ..

Not according to me ....... but anyhow ....... if God wanted us all creations to be equal, it won't make any sense to create dogs, pigs separately? why aren't all the creations same then? Like all creations should have one form and similar DNA and organs ...... why are all they different?

Note: Reference to dogs and pigs is intentional ....... humans do call other humans words like bitch, dog, pig etc etc ....... why do they do that?

 

[padamchen]

And how my answer negates this? I am only a Muslim ... not Shia, not Sunni.

But you just said you were a Sunni?

False.

You statement carries factual fallacy. Not as in regards to Hindus, but your understanding of Kaba.

My understanding of the Kaba is from what you shared.

Per that Muslims are doing exactly what Hindus are doing.

Then why revile them as "idol worshipers"?

Cheers, Doc

 

[zip]

And how my answer negates this? I am only a Muslim ... not Shia, not Sunni.





False.

You statement carries factual fallacy. Not as in regards to Hindus, but your understanding of Kaba.




Not according to me ....... but anyhow ....... if God wanted us all creations to be equal, it won't make any sense to create dogs, pigs separately? why aren't all the creations same then? Like all creations should have one form and similar DNA and organs ...... why are all they different?

Note: Reference to dogs and pigs is intentional ....... humans do call other humans words like bitch, dog, pig etc etc ....... why do they do that?

So you understood why he created all that differently right ?

 

[I.R.A]

But you just said you were a Sunni?

Budhay ainkain laga kay parh .....

I am not Shia, I am not Sunni ..... can't answer anything involving their practices.

My understanding of the Kaba is from what you shared.

Per that Muslims are doing exactly what Hindus are doing.

Then why revile them as "idol worshipers"?

Seriously ...... you too are going to act like a kindergarten child?