Why most of muslims afraid of discussing their religion? ?

[padamchen]

Budhay ainkain laga kay parh .....

That was my mistake then.

But if you are Muslim and only Muslim, why do you not join them as well?

As Muslims.

Cheers, Doc

 

[I.R.A]

So you understood why he created all that differently right ?

Last time ....... when things get created differently ...... it means one is superior better quality and one is inferior. Else the difference doesn't make any sense. I can't make it any simpler for you. Please for goodness sake don't bring stupid questions trying to tell the world that humans are inferior.

If you are purposely trying not to face and accept it ..... that's your problem, and the more you type the more it becomes apparent ...... your inherent stubborn bias.

 

[padamchen]

Seriously ...... you too are going to act like a kindergarten child?

Please do not weasel out of a debate by resorting to ageism.

It does not work with me.

Based on what YOU said the Kaba was and why it was the center of the annual pilgrimage of 1.6 billion Muslims around the world, and why 1.6 billion Muslims around the world BOW in its direction when they pray (5 times a day or less), Muslims are doing exactly what Hindus are doing when they pray in front of their idols.

If you want to prove me wrong, you need to re-word your assessment of what the Kaba means to Muslims, or simply back track.

I'll wait.

Cheers, Doc

 

[I.R.A]

But if you are Muslim and only Muslim, why do you not join them as well?

Being a Muslim and only a Muslim gives me the freedom of entering any mosque ..... be it Shia or Sunni, argue with both of them equally (except your persian ones). Sit and eat with them ..... so what you thought I was living in some isolation?

 

[padamchen]

Being a Muslim and only a Muslim gives me the freedom of entering any mosque ..... be it Shia or Sunni, argue with both of them equally (except your persian ones). Sit and eat with them ..... so what you thought I was living in some isolation?

So if you have entered an Imambara you have never asked your fellow Muslims what that pedestal/chariot like thing with the various things inside was and represented?

Cheers, Doc

 

[zip]

Last time ....... when things get created differently ...... it means one is superior better quality and one is inferior. Else the difference doesn't make any sense. I can't make it any simpler for you. Please for goodness sake don't bring stupid questions trying to tell the world that humans are inferior.

If you are purposely trying not to face and accept it ..... that's your problem, and the more you type the more it becomes apparent ...... your inherent stubborn bias.

See getting personal again ..The noble knowledgeable one who understood God's creation and put yourself above all should show some decency with fellow human being ..
So there are inferior and superior in God's creation and simultaneously God's presence is everywhere ..Your explanation to it is because different forms and quality doesn't make sense otherwise ..So finally you are comprehending and understanding God's creation based in your sense of superiority right ? You worship incomprehensible, unknowable God as you said earlier but you think you know the creation because of your sense of creation tells you so ..and based on that you think other fellow human beings who does not see any superiority or inferiority in God's creation as inferiors !!!Oh that is one complicated irony there ..

 

[padamchen]

See getting personal again ..The noble knowledgeable one who understood God's creation and put yourself above all should show some decency with fellow human being ..
So there are inferior and superior in God's creation and simultaneously God's presence is everywhere ..Your explanation to it is because different forms and quality doesn't make sense otherwise ..So finally you are comprehending and understanding God's creation based in your sense of superiority right ? You worship incomprehensible, unknowable God as you said earlier but you think you know the creation because of your sense of creation tells you so ..and based on that you think other fellow human beings who does not see any superiority or inferiority in God's creation as inferiors !!!Oh that is one complicated irony there ..

Its a very weak stand.

Out of character for him, though I know his "humans above animals" bit from our discussions earlier.

Cheers, Doc

 

[HariPrasad]

Wait what, millions of people are killed in the name of Islam here and now? Start providing figures please, this is rubbish beyond belief.

Syria. 5 lakh people are killed.

Lol Iran? So why haven't most people left their faith? Why don't see huge piles of Hijabs being thrown on the floor, people refusing to fast in their millions and other acts of mass defiance? The state wouldn't be able to stop that. You don't see them because the bulk of people believe and will continue to do so. The few handfuls of Iranian asylum seekers in the West who have left the faith are insignificant.

I think you are aware of recent huge agitation in Iran. Yes, Hijabs are thrown out in big numbers enenthough many women may still be wearing it.

Gulf money does not drive Islam, in actual fact the huge missionary movements are funded by individual Muslims around the world and the ones you see in Malaysia, Indonesia and Africa are completely made-up and funded by Muslims from those lands. You only need to see the articles I posted which shattered your argument that Muslims are leaving Islam in their droves lol.
Gulf countries have reduced their funding of Muslim movements for years now, bar Saudi who fund certain lines of thought.

I agree. Saudi is the main donar of propagating Wahhabism. I have seen many TV discussion on pakistan TV show blaming Saudi for radicalization of youth.

 

[I.R.A]

Based on what YOU said the Kaba was and why it was the center of the annual pilgrimage of 1.6 billion Muslims around the world, and why 1.6 billion Muslims around the world BOW in its direction when they pray (5 times a day or less), Muslims are doing exactly what Hindus are doing when they pray in front of their idols.

"[2:125] We have rendered the shrine (the Ka`aba) a focal point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned Abraham and Ismail: "You shall purify My house for those who visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate."

"[2:126] Abraham prayed: "My Lord, make this a peaceful land, and provide its people with fruits. Provide for those who believe in GOD and the Last Day." (God) said, "I will also provide for those who disbelieve. I will let them enjoy, temporarily, then commit them to the retribution of Hell, and a miserable destiny."

"[2:127] As Abraham raised the foundations of the shrine, together with Ismail (they prayed): "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient."

"[3:96] The most important shrine established for the people is the one in Becca; a blessed beacon for all the people."

"[3:97] In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. Anyone who enters it shall be granted safe passage. The people owe it to GOD that they shall observe Hajj to this shrine, when they can afford it. As for those who disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone."

"[5:97] GOD has appointed the Ka`bah, the Sacred Masjid, to be a sanctuary for the people, and also the Sacred Months, the offerings (to the Sacred Masjid), and the garlands marking them. You should know that GOD knows everything in the heavens and the earth, and that GOD is Omniscient."

"[22:26] We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine: "You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it, those who live near it, and those who bow and prostrate."


I don't find any similarity between Hindus and what they do and Kabbah. Please do educate me if I am missing something.

So if you have entered an Imambara you have never asked your fellow Muslims what that pedestal/chariot like thing with the various things inside was and represented?

Cheers, Doc

I don't need to. I am not an indian doc .......

 

[zip]

Its a very weak stand.

Out of character for him, though I know his "humans above animals" bit from our discussions earlier.

Cheers, Doc

You put some interesting questions there ..I like to believe all religions are one more direction towards ultimate truth but half knowledge about one's own religion is much more dangerous than the path which ends in between ..

 

[I.R.A]

Its a very weak stand.

Out of character for him, though I know his "humans above animals" bit from our discussions earlier.

Cheers, Doc

Are we playing buddy buddy ........ where you are going to support buddy at all cost, no matter how stupid and idiot he sounds?

 

[padamchen]

Are we playing buddy buddy ........ where you are going to support buddy at all cost, no matter how stupid and idiot he sounds?

Don't be insecure I.

You are my buddy.

In India we are allowed to argue with and have diametrically opposite views to those of our buddies .....

Your argument about different organisms therefore superior and inferior is really weak.

There are myriad facets to God and He made His creatures in His wisdom reflecting these.

A mongolian wolf is your superior in ways you cannot fathom. Live on the steppes with him and you will learn very quickly.

Cheers, Doc

 

[I.R.A]

See getting personal again ..The noble knowledgeable one who understood God's creation and put yourself above all should show some decency with fellow human being ..
So there are inferior and superior in God's creation and simultaneously God's presence is everywhere ..Your explanation to it is because different forms and quality doesn't make sense otherwise ..So finally you are comprehending and understanding God's creation based in your sense of superiority right ? You worship incomprehensible, unknowable God as you said earlier but you think you know the creation because of your sense of creation tells you so ..and based on that you think other fellow human beings who does not see any superiority or inferiority in God's creation as inferiors !!!Oh that is one complicated irony there ..

Still beating around the bush. Can you please drop your indianess for some time and read again ..... all that I have posted. By read I mean properly read ...... and bring something genuine and arguable instead of nonsensical rubbish and mantra of superiority, inferiority.

Something that is genuine and would put us Muslims to a difficult task ..... else all what your stubborn self has been posting is too childish to even respond to.

Something ......... come on, be intelligent, if you want to criticise me, attack my faith, at least be interesting and challenging.

Don't be insecure I.

You are my buddy.

In India we are allowed to argue with and have diametrically opposite views to those of our buddies .....

Pappu insecure to tum dono ho rahy ho ....... like as always and as usual

Your argument about different organisms therefore superior and inferior is really weak.

Cheers, Doc

Your writing this again and again doesn't matter ...... prove me wrong with real life examples.

By the way ........ when did you start supporting idiocy?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Nobody is disrespecting muslims here. My best friend is a muslim.
I don't want to discuss people here . People are just people. There are good or bad people in every faith.
Im talking about logics behind ideology which makes people good and bad.
I don't think muslims are bad, just ideology failed them.

Do u know what forum this is? Let me spell it out for u P D F...
The D there stands for DEFENCE...do u know the difference between DEFENCE and RELIGION?

Nobody is stopping u from discussing Islam but this is not the place. Go to some other forum that's about religion. Don't waste space here.

Mods please close this thread. Despite the best efforts of some members in keeping this discussion civil...there's just too much trolling/mudslinging going on.

@waz @The Eagle @Oscar

 

[zip]

Still beating around the bush. Can you please drop your indianess for some time and read again ..... all that I have posted. By read I mean properly read ...... and bring something genuine and arguable instead of nonsensical rubbish and mantra of superiority, inferiority.

Something that is genuine and would put us Muslims to a difficult task ..... else all what your stubborn self has been posting is too childish to even respond to.

Something ......... come on, be intelligent, if you want to criticise me, attack my faith, at least be interesting and challenging.

What will I get from attacking your faith ? I am just pointing at your ignorance ..If that makes you arrogant then it's your problem ..The mantra of superiority and inferiority is your own wish where you wanted to argue on superiority of human being ..Now you want something else ..You can bring thousands from ignorance and stay in your victory in ignorance or you alone can move out of it defeating the ignorance..