Why Kerala has no beef with beef.

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[zootinali]

I heard Kerela govt. have banned alochol ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I heard Kerela govt. have banned alochol ?

Something that all Keralites had. Imagine the (lack of ) outrage over beef.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Whatever... I see no point in arguing with you. You do a fine job of proving your complete ignorance on your own. I have other works to do. Carry on with your ignorance.

I don't care a rat's @ss for your opinions. Keep it to yourself. ............ since its established you have nothing of value to say, take a hike.

 

[Levina]

I gave you my answers before, Yet you keep asking for more clarification.Posted a lot of stuff in previous thread which was locked,you can go check it out for answers.

which thread?

Many points -
1. Hindus eat meat. They are human. Humans eat meat. Period. But offering meat to God is not kosher. I used to eat meat. But never did I look to the Vedas for a confirmation. I ate because I liked to eat.

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2. Why was beef banned? It's because our Constitution guarantees the protection of cattle. - This is the primary reason. A vast majority of the poor farmers voted for BJP - far more than city folks did. UP is one prime example...the heart of the so called 'cow belt'. Ditto for the rest of the rural population. Shows how much the cow is revered in the interior of the country. Over and above materialistic gains.

Supposing I was in india during the elections and I'd voted for BJP. I would've voted for 'em because they promised me progress, to abolish article 370 and to implement uniform civil code and not to bring a ban on beef. The gist of it is that the farmer might 've voted for BJP for a lot of other reasons and not necessarily for bringing a ban on beef.
A poor farmer who has a hand to mouth existence will definitely not be able to afford an old emaciated cow. India is country where farmers account for 11.2% of suicides and specially in the Vidarbha region. Maharashtra has the highest number of farmer suicides in India.

3. If for saving the cow, we become a Pakistan, I will gladly accept that as destined and will happily look forward to it.

Lolzzz
So is it okay to force your dietary habits over others???

 

[gau8av]

our pure dharmic holy society, with all tamsik asura activities banned and made punishable/jailable offenses

coming soon... saffron garbage bags to cover our women to help keep our kundalinis at a minimum at the solar plexus always


here's something super weird, do a spell check on kundalinis

 

[SarthakGanguly]

(1) I would've voted for 'em because they promised me progress.
(2) The gist of it is that the farmer might 've voted for BJP for a lot of other reasons and not necessarily for bringing a ban on beef.
(3) A poor farmer who has a hand to mouth existence will definitely not be able to afford an old emaciated cow. India is country where farmers account for 11.2% of suicides and specially in the Vidarbha region. Maharashtra has the highest number of farmer suicides in India.

Lolzzz
(4) So is it okay to force your dietary habits over others???

(1) But you didn't/couldn't.

(2) I am ready for a referendum of farmers all over India - 'Save the Cow' vs 'Eat the Cow'. I will accept the verdict.

(3) Old Cows are not held by the farmer. They 'retire' to a life of no work - entertaining city folks by blocking roads, or munching grass at a roadside. They are set free. No big deal.

(4) Provided (2) is in the Cow's favor and also if the present Constitution stays intact, the answer is YES, of course.

 

[Levina]

(1) But you didn't/couldn't.

Next time I will.

(2) I am ready for a referendum of farmers all over India - 'Save the Cow' vs 'Eat the Cow'. I will accept the verdict.

Hypothetical!!!

(3) Old Cows are not held by the farmer. They 'retire' to a life of no work - entertaining city folks by blocking roads, or munching grass at a roadside. They are set free. No big deal.

In short you don't have a solution to the mess.

(4) Provided (2) is in the Cow's favor and also if the present Constitution stays intact, the answer is YES, of course.

I seriously would not have cared if govt had banned beef without bringing religion into this. As a vegetarian this hardly concerns me, but I would object to anything that is against the national secular fibre.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

which thread?

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Supposing I was in india during the elections and I'd voted for BJP. I would've voted for 'em because they promised me progress, to abolish article 370 and to implement uniform civil code and not to bring a ban on beef. The gist of it is that the farmer might 've voted for BJP for a lot of other reasons and not necessarily for bringing a ban on beef.
A poor farmer who has a hand to mouth existence will definitely not be able to afford an old emaciated cow. India is country where farmers account for 11.2% of suicides and specially in the Vidarbha region. Maharashtra has the highest number of farmer suicides in India.


Lolzzz
So is it okay to force your dietary habits over others???

Another interesting point is the general lack of awareness of the issue of agriculture in India and use of cattle in particular.
Vidarbha is particularly infamous for low usage of cattle in the first place. It's not like the cows are happy and gay while the landless laborers are starving. The folks are in bad shape because agriculture is not sustainable in the place - proper irrigation is lacking. Not because the cows are not being sold in time to Muslim butchers.

And that is why we see this -
How many Vidarbha farmers need to die before the government wakes up? | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Organic farming brings hope to Vidarbha's distressed farmers | Stories of change | Food security
This argues for cattle farms to help augment income for the families. The Center could simply have made it the National Cattle abattoir instead. Perhaps the farmers prefer to milk the cows than to slaughter them.

India Together: Vidarbha's one-litre-per-cow package: P Sainath - 27 July 2007

Our upper classes are completely ignorant of the problems the daily wage earner faces.

(1) Hypothetical!!!

(2) In short you don't have a solution to the mess.

(3) I seriously would not have cared if govt had banned beef without bringing religion into this. As a vegetarian this hardly concerns me, but I would object to anything that is against the national secular fibre.

(1) Not at all. At the very least you can file a PIL against it. But the HC quashed a similar order yesterday.

(2) I don't have to. The framers of India's Constitution did it for me. Cows will not be killed in this country. Period.

(3) I don't care two hoots about the 'reasons' furnished for doing what is good, as long as it is done. As a non vegetarian, it hardly concerns me, but I will support anything that is for our common minimum way of life.

On a personal level, I will do everything to make sure this 'secular fabric' is torn to shreds in this country. Because it's neither 'secular' nor is it a 'fibre'.

 

[Levina]

Another interesting point is the general lack of awareness of the issue of agriculture in India and use of cattle in particular.
Vidarbha is particularly infamous for low usage of cattle in the first place. It's not like the cows are happy and gay while the landless laborers are starving. The folks are in bad shape because agriculture is not sustainable in the place - proper irrigation is lacking. Not because the cows are not being sold in time to Muslim butchers.

And that is why we see this -
How many Vidarbha farmers need to die before the government wakes up? | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

No mention of low usage of cattle in the article.

Organic farming brings hope to Vidarbha's distressed farmers | Stories of change | Food security
This argues for cattle farms to help augment income for the families. The Center could simply have made it the National Cattle abattoir instead. Perhaps the farmers prefer to milk the cows than to slaughter them.

Yes this article mentions cowdung and cow urine, and that it can be used to provide nourishment to crops and to protect them from pests and diseases. But then again what happens to the old cows?? where do they go?

India Together: Vidarbha's one-litre-per-cow package: P Sainath - 27 July 2007

My question is why do ppl 've to bring the religious angle in this ban?

Our upper classes are completely ignorant of the problems the daily wage earner faces.

It is even more atrocious what others do in the name of helping the farmers. Other than concentrating on irrigation backlogs, middle men who arm twist the farmers, taking action against the corrupt agro committees, bringing down the hammer on opportunistic money lenders, our govt decides to ban a religious animal just to earn the ire of minority. WAAAAHHH!!!
commendable!!!

(2) I don't have to. The framers of India's Constitution did it for me. Cows will not be killed in this country. Period.

And here we go around the mulberry bush again.

(3) I don't care two hoots about the 'reasons' furnished for doing what is good, as long as it is done. As a non vegetarian, it hardly concerns me, but I will support anything that is for our common minimum way of life.

So you don't have a strong reason to support this ban

On a personal level, I will do everything to make sure this 'secular fabric' is torn to shreds in this country. Because it's neither 'secular' nor is it a 'fibre'.

Your perception!!!
And I can't stop you from harboring such wrong notions, now can i ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

No mention of low usage of cattle in the article.


Yes this article mentions cowdung and cow urine, and that it can be used to provide nourishment to crops and to protect them from pests and diseases. But then again what happens to the old cows?? where do they go?


My question is why do ppl 've to bring the religious angle in this ban?


It is even more atrocious what others do in the name of helping the farmers. Other than concentrating on irrigation backlogs, middle men who arm twist the farmers, taking action against the corrupt agro committees, bringing down the hammer on opportunistic money lenders, our govt decides to ban a religious animal just to earn the ire of minority. WAAAAHHH!!!
commendable!!!


And here we go around the mulberry bush again.


So you don't have a strong reason to support this ban


Your perception!!!
And I can't stop you from harboring such wrong notions, now can i ?

Like I said. My reasons are clear. They are not enough for you. But both of us shall have to abide by it.

Yes this article mentions cowdung and cow urine, and that it can be used to provide nourishment to crops and to protect them from pests and diseases. But then again what happens to the old cows?? where do they go?

Why not kill old human beings and bury them in the ground instead of burning them? Good fertilizer.

 

[Levina]

Like I said. My reasons are clear. They are not enough for you. But both of us shall have to abide by it.

Your reasons were mostly dilettante and defnitely not enough to prove that ban on beef would be of any help to the farmers. Now lets wait and watch how many states impose article 48A?? and for how long?

Why not kill old human beings and bury them in the ground instead of burning them? Good fertilizer.

Good point but still it doesnt help the poor farmer.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Your reasons were mostly dilettante and defnitely not enough to prove that ban on beef would be of any help to the farmers. Now lets wait and watch how many states impose article 48A?? and for how long?

You are looking at the materialistic aspect alone. I am not. As for the article, it will be implemented, as expected by our founding fathers. Those going against the Constitution will face the legal consequences. An Article of the Constitution is a pretty serious matter and not left to the whims of upholding secular fundamentals of pampered states.

Good point but still it doesnt help the poor farmer.

You are in denial. Burying the dead body after hacking them into pieces is excellent fertilizer. Also if it's from the same family, the raw material is also free. Of course, first they need to be kept in manure pits, and then mixed with the top soil. Very beneficial to the farmers.

I am only talking on a materialistic plane. Don't let the emotional and other angle cloud your judgement.

 

[Levina]

You are looking at the materialistic aspect alone. I am not. As for the article, it will be implemented, as expected by our founding fathers. Those going against the Constitution will face the legal consequences.


You are in denial. Burying the dead body after hacking them into pieces is excellent fertilizer. Also if it's from the same family, the raw material is also free. Of course, first they need to be kept in manure pits, and then mixed with the top soil. Very beneficial to the farmers.

I am only talking on a materialistic plane. Don't let the emotional and other angle cloud your judgement.

Lolzz
who's getting emotional here???
Btw did you know that this is what supreme court had to say about a total ban
" the Supreme Court has held that, "A total ban [on cattle slaughter] was not permissible if, under economic conditions, keeping useless cattle be a burden on the society and therefore not in the public interest".

CHAPTER I - INTRODUCTION

That proves my point.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Lolzz
who's getting emotional here???
Btw did you know that this is what supreme court had to say about a total ban
" the Supreme Court has held that, "A total ban [on cattle slaughter] was not permissible if, under economic conditions, keeping useless cattle be a burden on the society and therefore not in the public interest".

CHAPTER I - INTRODUCTION

That proves my point.

LOL. Emotional and me?

Please please read the full report or at least the conclusion.

Excerpts showing the conclusive remarks...

Conclusion

159. The different scenarios and perceptions have been discussed in the various Chapters in which the five Sub Committees have given their inputs. However, broadly speaking, we want to give a bird’s eye view of the entire perception in India and, if we go by the views and sentiments and feelings of a vast majority of the people of this country, it would be for total prohibition of slaughter of cow, as well as of its progeny.

160. In such a scenario, a political decision will have to be taken by the Government, where we follow the democratic tradition of going by the consensus...

168. We are proud of the fact that Smt. Gohar Aziz, a Muslim Lady and also a Member of the National Commission on Cattle is a great crusader against cow slaughter in Chennai in Tamil Nadu. On several occasions, she was physically manhandled by the butchers and the supporters when she tried, at grave risk to her own life, to save cows and calves from slaughter. During the tour of NCC, she saved about 16 cows, who were being butchered in spite of prohibitory laws to the contrary being in force. She was the person, who came and took the other Members of the Commission to the place where cows were about to be butchered for providing meat to the Zoo animals in the Bhubaneshwar Zoo. After our DHARNA of 2 hours or so, which was conducted at the risk of life, the Government and Police officials arrested the butcher and, after ensuring the release of 15 cows waiting to be slaughtered, sealed and closed the cow slaughter house. Similarly, there are several other Muslims, such as a couple in Mumbai, Shri Abrar Qureshi and his wife, Smt. Zinnat Abrar Qureshi, who are working tirelessly for the prevention of slaughter of cow and its progeny.

170. We do hope that the recommendations would be accepted and relied upon both by the executive and Legislative wings of this country, and, above all by the 100 crores of “WE THE PEOPLE OF INDIA” for the benefit of 20 crores of speechless and defenseless “Cow and its progeny” in this great Nation of ours.

Anything more?