Why Kalam Represents India, And Aurangzeb Does Not

[Manindra]

No.. But if a section of the population does, Others dont have a say in it, Because he will be a very integral part of the countries history, even if we like it or not

Here people who condemning this act are telling us Aurangzeb was secular.
Integral part of history does not force Germany to glorify Hitler or Italy to Mussolini .
I have objection on glorification not history as history tell you to about your mistakes.

 

[Gibbs]

In the ambit of the discussion, and the point of historical revisionism made, just because someone had historical impact (positive or negative) does not make him or her your ancestor.

The effect of the addition of the foreign blood into the larger Indian gene pool would be so negligible as to be nearly insignificant, genetically.

Especially when you consider that the actual pure blooded foreign invading waves were few and far in between, discrete epochal events, getting quickly diluted by local populace converts and strategic alliances.

Yet regardless of history, a large chunk of the population suddenly somehow becomes descended from the invading bloodlines. Not converts.

Such was my reference to my friend syed on the credibility and veracity of history "as it actually happened."

I find the notion of pure blood preposterous.. How do you define pure Indian blood

 

[Manindra]

But saying that it's not to say the many positive aspects contributed by other cultures for the improvement of our own.. Like i said there are good and bad in every part of our collective histories.. We learn from it but cant pick and choose what to keep

Yes but a comment come from Islamist (a PHD) that we civilize you neither you are barbarion then what would your response

 

[vsdoc]

I find the notion of pure blood preposterous.. How do you define pure Indian blood

Not as preposterous as one might imagine.

I was talking about the bloodlines of the invaders. Mingling into the Indian gene pool.

Its like comparing a few drops in an ocean.

Indian civilization historically has been pretty cloistered geographically for large epochs of time. Not a militaristic invading culture.

Born and bred on the subcontinent for millenia. Very careful highly intricate social structures of marriage and bloodlines. Gives rise to a pretty homogenous gene pool when the churn happens over such vast periods of time, untouched largely by foreign blood. Be it by land or sea.

Old civilizations are clearly linked to blood and soil. Very few if any at all (barring ours) with a common thread of faith as well.

 

[Gibbs]

Here people who condemning this act are telling us Aurangzeb was secular.
Integral part of history does not force Germany to glorify Hitler or Italy to Mussolini .
I have objection on glorification not history as history tell you to about you mistakes.

Well i find the policies of western Europe equally abhorrent especially their hypocrisy when it comes to antisemitism, Just because the Germans choose to close their eyes and ears to a specific part of their history doesn't make them not identifiable with it.. Same goes to any nation

Yes but a comment come from Islamist (a PHD) that we civilize you neither you are barbarion then what would your response

Utterly moronic.. Simple

 

[Bang Galore]

And yet both will remain part of its history. You see, one cannot pick and choose with history. It is all an indivisible whole, the good, the bad and the ugly alike.

True but who you celebrate isn't. If the change was to a building, a road which was built by Aurangzeb, that argument would apply. Not the change of name on a road built much later.

 

[Manindra]

Well i find the policies of western Europe equally abhorrent especially their hypocrisy when it comes to antisemitism, Just because the Germans choose to close their eyes and ears to a specific part of their history doesn't make them not identifiable with it.. Same goes to any nation

I dislike the German attempt that they even erase Hitler from history.
So, you want that they should glorify Hitler for committing mass murder including their own citizen(Jews, opponents & communists) by renaming Hamburg Airport ?

 

[Gibbs]

I was talking about the bloodlines of the invaders. Mingling into the Indian gene pool.

Its like comparing a few drops in an ocean.

Given that Indian civilization is as old as any human civilization.. It wont be surprising that every single Indian had a myriad of bloodlines over 5000 years.. Invaders, Immigrants call what you like.. Like any other human being on this earth

If not inbreeding would have finished you'll off long long time ago

 

[TopCat]

Because kalam looks like Dalit even though he is not.

 

[vsdoc]

Given that Indian civilization is as old as any human civilization.. It wont be surprising that every single Indian had a myriad of bloodlines over 5000 years.. Invaders, Immigrants call what you like.. Like any other human being on this earth

If not inbreeding would have finished you'll off long long time ago

Agreed.

But again in the context of the discussion, very very little was from Arabia or Mongolic.

Persian yes. As they were sister/abutting civilizations, though each pretty cleanly and neatly cloistered by and large in terms of blood lines.

And faith.

 

[Gibbs]

I dislike the German attempt that they even erase Hitler from history.
So, you want that they should glorify Hitler for committing mass murder including their own citizen(Jews, opponents & communists) by renaming Hamburg Airport ?

That's hypothetical question.. They did'nt, If they did nobody has the right to remove it either, Because he is a part of thier history and well may have been important to a section of the population, As may have Aurangzeb would be.. Now dont expect me to believe you speak on behalf of all Indians

 

[MilSpec]

OKAY, then lets talk about TYRANNY in Present Day India under MOOZI....

There is none, but with your myopic tinted glasses, you can neither comprehend nor look beyond the prejudiced image built in a 65 year old theocratic mindset.

 

[Bang Galore]

That's hypothetical question.. They did'nt, If they did nobody has the right to remove it either, Because he is a part of thier history and well may have been important to a section of the population, As may have Aurangzeb would be.. Now dont expect me to believe you speak on behalf of all Indians

Which is why the name change was decided by an authority empowered to do so.

 

[Manindra]

That's hypothetical question.. They did'nt, If they did nobody has the right to remove it either, Because he is a part of thier history and well may have been important to a section of the population, As may have Aurangzeb would be.. Now dont expect me to believe you speak on behalf of all Indians

So, if minority terrorist sympathiser want this does not mean we should glorify him.
Aurangzeb did the same which ISIS is currently doing & I am sure few Sri Lankans also sympathise with them.
That does not give a reason to glorification.
As for speaking behalf of Indians , you need voting (Government) which decides this.

 

[haviZsultan]

I can't help but feel that this is the "killing off" of Islamic heritage left in Indian occupied regions. All historic figures often treated minorities deplorably. Such were the times. Expunging their names is direct targeting of the muslim community.