Why it's important to remember the 1965 war between India and Pakistan

[Argon Prime]

Just before the war.

During the war

After the war

And you think we do not have such pictures (or even worse than these for that matter) ??

 

[Indian Patriot]

and from that time till now we are not going back in any sector.

Except for self reliance in manufacturing defence equipment. World's highest arms importer is not something to feel proud about. World's highest arms exporter is the sign of success in weapons manufacturing. Wars cannot be fought on imported arms and ammunition. A pair of thermal socks cost a bomb during Kargil war because of panic buying.

 

[pakdefender]

Kishangarh Fort, Rajasthan State India captured by Pakistan Army 1965

Pakistani Flag at top of Qaisar-e-Hind Fort.

Indian Army Convoy under attack

 

[Windjammer]

There are similar photos of Pakistani failures on the battlefield. SSG commandos were exposed and lynched by village folk. Pakistani tanks burning etc.

Both sides suffered losses.

In case you didn't notice, i didn't post pictures of dead Indian soldiers or destroyed Indian tanks or planes.....what i posted was some of the equipment surrendered by the Indian forces.

 

[rezangahir]

Kishangarh Fort, Rajasthan State India captured by Pakistan Army 1965

Pakistani Flag at top of Qaisar-e-Hind Fort.

Indian Army Convoy under attack

while Indian Army Capturing Fertile plains of Punjab and strategic Haji Pir pass,Pakistani Army captured a loony fort in the desert defended by Nobody

Read the Bttle of Dograi in Plains of Punjab

inside Pakistan

Cow Piss Drinkers celebrate every loss (except 71) as their victory...

@Akheilos @DESERT FIGHTER @pakdefender

@MilSpec

SELF DELETE

 

[Hindustani78]

Except for self reliance in manufacturing defence equipment. World's highest arms importer is not something to feel proud about. World's highest arms exporter is the sign of success in weapons manufacturing. Wars cannot be fought on imported arms and ammunition. A pair of thermal socks cost a bomb during Kargil war because of panic buying.

We do produce everything in our 41 ordnance factories and 8 public enterprises and on that we are having more than 150 private defense companies. Indian Defense expenditure is there not only for our needs but even to become arms exporter. Already India is exporting defense equipment as rifles, radars, naval vessels, helicopters.

Insas are used by Nepal and Oman military.
CGS Barracuda


Indian Kalantak Micro Assault Rifle

DRDO MC

 

[Hindustani78]

Kishangarh Fort, Rajasthan State India captured by Pakistan Army 1965

Pakistani Flag at top of Qaisar-e-Hind Fort.

Indian Army Convoy under attack

Both were villages close to the Indian Border.

 

[Hurter]

Hi cousin sister lover camel piss drinker

should i post the pics of Kargil its not from 65 71 and siachen

Mr. Kashmiri Rapist aka Rapistani, again you've proved my point. Kargil was a winning battle for us. Even your ex-generals admit that.

Gay Hind.

 

[rezangahir]

Mr. Kashmiri Rapist aka Rapistani, again you've proved my point. Kargil was a winning battle for us. Even your ex-generals admit that.

Gay Hind.

Mr Baccha Baaz Gay **** ... Who control Tiger hill now ?

Most importantly whose Army Stationed in Siachen as we speak .... the main objective of Kargil was to dislodge indian Army from siachen.

 

[Hurter]

Mr Baccha Baaz Gay **** ... Who control Tiger hill now ?

Most importantly whose Army Stationed in Siachen as we speak .... the main objective of Kargil was to dislodge indian Army from siachen.

You are a loser.. Get you facts first

 

[MilSpec]

So Lets hear from few Pakistani Gentlemen, I think their narrative of the war differs from most of the Pakistani members here:


Air Chief Marshal: Asghar Khan
Air Chief Marshal: Nur Khan
Brig (Retd) Saeed Ismat
Major (Retd.) Agha Humayun Amin
Col. S.G Mehd (SSG Commander)



What do you have to say about 1965 war?

If you were to ask me this question when I was a young officer, my reply would have been quite different because I fought in that war, saw tactical action and in my perception we did well and beat back the aggressor and won the war. As one matures, learns and has the ability to analyze, one begins to differentiate between myth and reality, of course, with the advantage of the hindsight. 1965 War manifested the shortsightedness and immaturity of our political and military leadership. Pakistan started with ‘Operation Gibraltar’ in Kashmir. We have been made to think it was very bold and imaginative in conception and prepared by a great General. In my opinion it was bold, unimaginative, unpracticable plan. It was not in harmony with prevailing environment in Indian Held Kashmir. It was based on dangerous assumptions and its time frame was unrealistic and quixotic. The plan reflected strategic naivety and immaturity. To top it all the preparation and subsequently the execution displayed lack of professionalism. Since it lacked politico-strategic framework and vision it placed Pakistan in a very precarious position. On its failure, ‘Operation Grandslam’ was launched, which did make military sense since it enjoyed the superiority of strategic orientation. The capture of objective (Akhnur Bridges) would sever the Indian lines of communication in Kashmir and force them to retract. This operation was to suffer a major setback when the advance was halted because of an explainable change of command in the middle of the battle. Indians were so threatened by this move that they attacked with full might across the international border threatening Lahore and Sialkot. Our leaders panicked, ‘Operation Grandslam’ was brought to a grinding halt. Later, a brilliantly conceived Riposte from Khem Karan failed because a correct mix of units was not mustered to achieve a superior relative strength situation at the right time at the right place. We won a lot of battles but lost the war as we failed to attain the political aim of defreezing and the ultimate liberation of the Kashmir. Ayub Khan thus ruined the national economy by one wrong decision that had taken him several years to build.

Brig (Retd) Saeed Ismat, SJ

Cover Story

This in short is Nur Khan’s version of 1965 war, which he calls an unnecessary war and says that President Ayub for whom he has the greatest regard should have held his senior generals accountable for the debacle and himself resigned.

This would have held the hands of the adventurers who followed Gen Ayub. Since the 1965 war was based on a big lie and was presented to the nation a great victory, the Army came to believe its own fiction and has used since, Ayub as its role model and therefore has continued to fight unwanted wars — the 1971 war and the Kargil fiasco in 1999, he said.

In each of the subsequent wars we have committed the same mistakes that we committed in 1965.

Air Marshal Khan demanded that a truth commission formed to find out why we failed in all our military adventures. It is not punishment of the failed leadership that should be the aim of the commission but sifting of facts from fiction and laying bare the follies and foibles of the irresponsible leaders in matters with grave implications for the nation. It should also point out the irregularities committed in training and promotions in the defence forces in the past so that it is not repeated in future


Nur Khan reminisces ’65 war - Newspaper - DAWN.COM


Excerpt From the conclusion:
Major (Retd.) Agha Humayun Amin:
Ambition, lust for glory etc are perfectly reasonable aspirations where they are matched with military talent pertaining to operational strategy, low intensity operations, strategic insight or statesmanship! All these were sadly lacking at all levels, except unit level bravery and enthusiasm! Gibraltar failed because of pure and unadulterated military incompetence and Akhtar Malik bears the principle responsibility for Gibraltar! The Grand Slam story was different!It wasnot a case ofbalanced distribution of lack of talent at all levels that resulted in the failure of Grand Slam! The principle reason why Grand Slam failed was delay in initial launching and change of command!


Grand Slam - A Battle of Lost Opportunities




this is your Air Chief Marshal Asghar Khan.

Some of Col. S.G Mehdi wisdom.

Conclusion by SSG’s commander: “Had our Government initiated a probe into concept, conduct and consequences of 1965 War’, and raised the curtain from the acts of gross omission or that of the criminal commission, the ignominy of 1971 could have been avoided. “

1965 War — Some Harsh Realities | Ehtisham Siddiqui

 

[rezangahir]

Inside Pakistan fertile plains of Punjab (Pak tank in background)

Chahro town Sindh raid by 10th para SF

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@MilSpec @Windjammer

Grand Slam - A Battle of Lost Opportunities

@MilSpec @Windjammer

Pakistan failed because its military leaders lacked the strategic insight which was necessary to transform its tangible qualitative superiority in equipment and manpower at the tactical level into a victory! 1965 was an undoubted strategic failure on part of Pakistani higher command. Pakistan paid the price six years later. Success would have meant unity. Defeat led to civil war and secession. The fault lay in lack of strategic insight at the military level.

Source 1965 Analysed

 

[rezangahir]

Inside pak

 

[rezangahir]

Which unfortunate town is this only 13 km

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Ask the facts from Nawaz Sharif according to him 4000 Pakistani died in Kargil war.