Why Is Pakistan More Legitimate than Israel?

[kaku1]

Pakistan is not a theocracy like Iran or KSA. It has just a bunch of laws based on Islam and I hope that you do understand what theocracy is.

Thats bloody hell constitution dear, not your back page of notebook. I hope you know the meaning of laws and constitutions.

Just like one of your states or whatever banned slaughter of cows does not make India a Hindu state does it?

You know cow slaughter ban means ban, there is not if and but in this. BTW, you know about federal structure of India? Cow Slaughter ban was never passed by center.

India is not Pakistan, who say Constitution and laws are ridiculous, and is of no use. They are the basic structure of India. If the parliament do the constitutional amendment and change India to Hindu country, then there is no if and but. The India become Hindu state.

 

[Hiptullha]

Yaar just read this
I·CONnect – How “Islamic” is Pakistan’s Constitution?

Happy now. And it doesnt benefit me at all in proving Pak as islamic country. Its upto you to decide.

Their proofs:

Amongst other statements regarding Islam, the text declares Pakistan as an “Islamic Republic” (Article 1); it opens stating in the preamble that “sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone”; it makes Islam the state religion (Article 2); and the president and prime minister must be Muslim and must swear an oath referencing Islamic idiom (e.g. Article 41). Further, the oath declares that the president, prime minister and other ministers “will strive to preserve the Islamic Ideology which is the basis for the creation of Pakistan” (Articles 42, 91 and 92). Article 227 also declares that “no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to Islamic Injunctions”. Only 5 other countries in the Muslim world have such a strong form of an “Islamic supremacy” clause, according to a forthcoming article I’ve written in the Virginia Journal of International Law with Tom Ginsburg.

Words, words, and words. I give you that Islam is a strong focal point in the constitution, but that hardly makes the state "Islamic".

Further, in clauses that are unique only to the Pakistani constitution, the constitution declares that: “steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam” (Article 31); that “the state shall eliminate riba (usury) as early as possible” (Article 38); members of parliament must have “adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings” and not be “commonly known as one who violates Islamic Injunctions” (Article 62); establishes a Federal Sharia Court to monitor the “Islamicity” of laws (Article 203C); and declares that “all existing laws shall be brought in conformity with the Injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Quran and Sunnah” (Article 227).

Federal Shariah Court is mostly based on jurisdiction of issues such as blasphemy, the blasphemy law itself, drawing controversy over its own legitimacy and whether it adheres to Islamic laws.

The most Islamic the constitution could get were selective, psuedo-Islamic laws which were installed 30 years ago with barely any legitimacy. Like I originally stated, this country is not Islamic.

 

[kaku1]

Their proofs:


Words, words, and words. I give you that Islam is a strong focal point in the constitution, but that hardly makes the state "Islamic".



Federal Shariah Court is mostly based on jurisdiction of issues such as blasphemy, the blasphemy law itself, drawing controversy over its own legitimacy and whether it adheres to Islamic laws.

The most Islamic the constitution could get were selective, psuedo-Islamic laws which were installed 30 years ago with barely any legitimacy. Like I originally stated, this country is not Islamic.

So, you saying rape and blasphemy laws has no meaning in Pakistan?

 

[Hiptullha]

So, you saying rape and blasphemy laws has no meaning in Pakistan?

I'm saying that rape and blasphemy laws don't represent the entire spectrum of Islamic jurisprudence.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Post #52 first part

Iam not beating dead horse, you are


They bought it via some property dealer?


They should have demanded a seperate homeland in Poland or Germany where they belonged, or Uganda where there would have been no conflict.
Christians committed atrocities on them through out history and they took revenge from Palestinians.

And you decided they 'belong' there and not history?

 

[Psychic]

And you decided they 'belong' there and not history?

I decided nothing. Just think about some one knocking your door and asking you to vacate your house because it belongs to him "the chosen one" what will you do? vacate your home for him? that is what you have been preaching in this thread.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I decided nothing. Just think about some one knocking your door and asking you to vacate your house because it belongs to him "the chosen one" what will you do? vacate your home for him? that is what you have been preaching in this thread.

You will do the same thing you hypocrite. If it's mecca then the rules are different, if it's Jerusalem it's 'different'.?

 

[Psychic]

You will do the same thing you hypocrite. If it's mecca then the rules are different, if it's Jerusalem it's 'different'.?

Mecca? how is that compareable to palestine of 1940's? I would shoot that guy with my pump action who tells me to leave my home for him.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Mecca? how is that compareable to palestine of 1940's? I would shoot that guy with my pump action who tells me to leave my home for him.

This is their home not yours. You were just a guest for a few 100 years. As for the rest of the reasoning read my posts first and then reply.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

israel is a reality - it wont go anywhere

the issue is Palestine....solve that issue and accept Palestinian statehod (also a reality) - there wont be further problems there. israel was created due to balfour declaration and UN + western actions. Pakistan was a revolution and a nation in the making and no land was stolen, annexed or occupied. People talk about the partition and the migrations/refugees but a large chunk of the population never moved. They were there for thousands of years.

You are living in some world that no longer seems to have any touch with reality. That is the problems with how muslims look at the Jews- has no link to present day reality.

Islam and Judaism are Abrahamic religions....we are all people of the book. The issues are political, not religious. Those propagating that its a religious conflict or clashes of ideology - i wouldnt take them too seriously.

As for losing touch with reality - i think that phenomenon goes to BJP/RSS fanboys.

 

[MilSpec]

@500 Evil Juice are coming... hide your falafals

 

[Guynextdoor2]

israel is a reality - it wont go anywhere

the issue is Palestine....solve that issue and accept Palestinian statehod (also a reality) - there wont be further problems there. israel was created due to balfour declaration and UN + western actions. Pakistan was a revolution and a nation in the making and no land was stolen, annexed or occupied. People talk about the partition and the migrations/refugees but a large chunk of the population never moved. They were there for thousands of years.



Islam and Judaism are Abrahamic religions....we are all people of the book. The issues are political, not religious. Those propagating that its a religious conflict or clashes of ideology - i wouldnt take them too seriously.

As for losing touch with reality - i think that phenomenon goes to BJP/RSS fanboys.

All these big theories- Balfour declaration, this declaration and verbal gymnastics 'people of the book' and so on are just BS and have nothing to do with reality. Jews would have fought and butchered their way to their state whether any pansy Englishman thought they deserved a state or not. And no, the amount of prejudice that Muslims have showered over the jews is far above anything seen after second world war. I have even seen threads like what if Hitler was live today (I can assure you that the Mossad would have injected hydrochloric acid into his small intestine and Israel would have nuked Germany into the stone age). As for RSS/ BJP fanboys etc., maybe you should focus more in your own country where the right wing lunatics are roaming free.

 

[Psychic]

This is their home not yours. You were just a guest for a few 100 years. As for the rest of the reasoning read my posts first and then reply.

Read the history of that land and then come back. Jews themselves migrated to Israel. No one drove Jews out of Jeurosalem. Only during crusades the Jews were killed there and that too by Christians, not by Muslims. The local Jews lived there and were 30pc of the population. Others were European invaders helped by Britain and France to capture that land from the local people.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Read the history of that land and then come back. Jews themselves migrated to Israel. No one drove Jews out of Jeurosalem. Only during crusades the Jews were killed there and that too by Christians, not by Muslims. The local Jews lived there and were 30pc of the population. Others were European invaders helped by Britain and France to capture that land from the local people.

I know about the history of the land. Don't make me go into a loop explaining my points again and again. Check my previous posts for that.

 

[Psychic]

I know about the history of the land. Don't make me go into a loop explaining my points again and again. Check my previous posts for that.

Then don't claim that the poles and german jews had a right to occupy other people's homes.