Why is Pakistan afraid of international perception when testing its ICBM?

[Developereo]

and when the bulldog knows this - common sense will prevail and they will be deterred in attacking us. The thought of Tel Aviv always been within stricking distance has kept them at bay. Its great to have nukes - cant wait for Iran to achieve the same status.

Exactly. Pakistan can not credibly threaten the US mainland, but a credible threat to their Achilles heal will keep them at bay.

What preventing pakistan now saying...

Give palestine or nuke tel alviv.

You misunderstand the premise. The Israel option is not to blackmail the US, it is a deterrent, similar to the India-Pakistan deterrence, to be used only as an absolute last resort.

In an India-Pakistan conflict, if the nuclear threshold is crossed, Pakistan will deploy nukes knowing full well that it is the last resort of a MAD scenario. Similarly, Pakistan would only invoke the nuke option on Israel when the nuclear threshold is crossed in a conflict.

Assuming your premise about who is USA's master (which is incorrect BTW),

Cute!

would it not follow that the master will be protected even better than the bulldog? Exhibiting unneeded belligerence against Israel, which has no direct issue with Pakistan, will only be detrimental to Pakistan's interests.

If you don't understand the power and influence of the Israel Lobby in US politics, and its direct effect on Pakistan, then further discussion is pointless. Any number of knowledgeable people in the US itself have written extensively about this influence and it has been discussed on this forum.

As for Israel's defensive capabilities, formidable as they are, they are not foolproof. Every system can be beaten and Israel, at least, is within reach of Pakistan's missiles.

I guess.......Russians and Chinese spent billions of dollars on building missiles for no reason?

Pakistan's capabilities are not in the same league as Russia or China. Not even close.

That doesn't ensure MAD, its a weak man's way of thinking. It will cause Americans a slight hesitation at best,

No, it won't. It will stop them dead in their tracks in terms of starting a military conflict, ala Iran or Iraq.

I agree it won't stop the US if it is retaliating for an attack on US soil.

and not to forget Americans being puppets of the Jews is an academic theory at best.

Please understand the difference between Jews and Zionists. Jews comprise only one part, maybe not even a majority, of Zionists controlling US politics.

To give a topical example, Iran is not and has never been an existential threat to US interests. All the US ballyhooing is on Israel's behalf.

Why are these guys so obsessed with holding other nations and people hostage at 'nuclear point' if they go to war with the US?

Explained above.

 

[F.O.X]

Please keep in mind that one can have an economy without defense, but no defense is possible without an economy.

I have to Disagree


For any Non Muslim Country ... your statement is True .

For any Muslim country ..... around 50% True

For Pakistan .. a country which is Muslim , Has Nukes & Neighbors like Friendly India ( who have fought 3 wars against us ) & a Great Friend USA who is trying his best to take our Nukes away , . . . I would say if we dont have good defense . . we would pretty much be where Lebanon , Iraq is Today.


So Yes We Need Defense , along side our Economy we cannot Ignore Either one of them . Try to Understand .

 

[Tshering22]

I have to Disagree

Please cite how so bringing economic and military factors in correct sequence

For any Non Muslim Country ... your statement is True .

For any Muslim country ..... around 50% True

Religion even if it is organized, has nothing to do with defense of a country. That is purely based on $$ one has at its disposal or the industrial capability or even strong reliable allies ready to supply it weapons Regardless of which country it is. Every nation needs a solid foundation of industrial or service capability to generate strong finances for defense.

Whether you like it or not, Muslim countries are no different from Non-islamic nations in terms of key factors of defense.

For Pakistan .. a country which is Muslim , Has Nukes & Neighbors like Friendly India ( who have fought 3 wars against us ) & a Great Friend USA who is trying his best to take our Nukes away , . . . I would say if we dont have good defense . . we would pretty much be where Lebanon , Iraq is Today.

I don't want to say about US but your wars with us were a consequence of your own actions and ideology. Can't help it, but we can't keep handing out land to everyone who asks.

So Yes We Need Defense , along side our Economy we cannot Ignore Either one of them . Try to Understand .

The only reason you need defense is because your generals want to stay in power. It is their obsession with power that got your people to deviate from a normal country's life and embroil yourself in wars that were never yours: right from Soviet-Talibunny conflict to WOT today.

In the process, you piss off even those countries who have nothing against you. What do you expect after that?

 

[Gessler]

Man this is a serious topic, avoid unnecessary flame baits.

Dude, i'm not trolling/flame baiting or anything. I'm only saying that pakistan is incapable
of messing around with Israel/West, its capabilities are just far from enough for this. Even
Russia, an extremely powerful military adversary of US, doesn't put its fingers and toes into
these affairs. They might voice support for Palestine/Iran or whatever the issue, but do they
even try to meddle in the hot business in ME? I think not.

Yes they may not have the capability but they may be able to get Chinese assistance.

For MADing someone in ME? Think and talk sense bro. China might provide weapons/loans to
pakistan because it wants to secure a market for its weapons, but no-one should think china
will arrive like a guardian angel or something in defense of pakistan is issues that aren't in
china's immediate interests.

Plus, pakistan cannot just go to Uranus and back just because it has "chinese assistance".
China holds no political weight in ME unlike what a few members here believe. China's antics are
hardly taken notice of in ME, it might be supporting Iran, but by far the only outside countries that
actually have some weight here are Russia and United States. China's or pakistan's decisions or
antics have no actual role to play here. Thats the fact.

What would the pluses and minuses be for Pakistan? And what would be the advantages and disadvantages for China to give such assistance?

Alright, lemme blurt out a few more facts. There IS NO plus for pakistan. It'll lose 1000 and
probably gain 0 as this is not pakistan's war. This is not their problem. And thats why there
would be no plus for them. Coming to point, if pakistan's military abilities are not enough to
solve the problems they already have, how can anyone expect them to go meddle in someone's
else's affairs militarily???

The members who say that should use MAD/WMD in ME, are either unaware of their limits, OR,
are putting up pakistan of 3010 against the rest of the world of 1970. Their posts are so unrealistic
that should rather find their way into a couple of jokebooks.

China too will gain no advantage/plus in assisting pakistan in doing so because they dont hold
much political weight in ME compared to others to actually be able to salvage any benefits out of it.

I don't think the airborne laser is in operation; it is a difficult problem to bring down missiles with lasers.

Lasers are the future of missile defence. Missiles are now increasingly getting MIRVed.
Kinetic kill vehicles or explosive-laden ABMs wont be of much effect against these. Only
powerful lasers can be fast and capable enough to accurately and precisely take out all
the MIRVs launched at a given area.

 

[Rig Vedic]

For MADing someone in ME? Think and talk sense bro. China might provide weapons/loans to
pakistan because it wants to secure a market for its weapons, but no-one should think china
will arrive like a guardian angel or something in defense of pakistan is issues that aren't in
china's immediate interests.

China does not make a big profit selling weapons to Pakistan. In fact there may even be a subsidy. Chinese arms are supplied to nations like North Korea and Pakistan to put a check on some common adversary.

Now an ICBM for Pak has no relevance as far as India is concerned. But China might still perceive an advantage in supplying it.

 

[shuntmaster]

Probably Pakistan is afraid of international ridicule for trying to test a non-existent missile.

P.S.: I doubt China will hand over to Pakistan the ICBM technology.

 

[Developereo]

Probably Pakistan is afraid of international ridicule for trying to test a non-existent missile.

P.S.: I doubt China will hand over to Pakistan the ICBM technology.

Indians' underestimation of Pak capabilities is something we always encourage.

 

[VCheng]

Indians' underestimation of Pak capabilities is something we always encourage.

What is far more dangerous is Pakistanis overestimating their own capabilities.

 

[lem34]

What is far more dangerous is Pakistanis overestimating their own capabilities.

He was talking about it suits Pakistan that Indians underestimate Pakistan. What you say is true but does not follow but allows you one more chance to bite at the heels of a TT. As such your statement appears to be self serving

 

[VCheng]

.......... What you say is true ..................

Thank you for admitting that what I say is true. I am impressed by your admission.

 

[AVinayKumar]

He was talking about it suits Pakistan that Indians underestimate Pakistan. What you say is true but does not follow but allows you one more chance to bite at the heels of a TT. As such your statement appears to be self serving

Does this post have anything to do with the topic.. Too many self appointed judges on this forum

 

[VCheng]

Does this post have anything to do with the topic.. Too many self appointed judges on this forum

Oh leave him be, he has de facto "ghar ka jawai" status by virtue of his personal contacts. In any case, he does provide good entertainment and levity, albeit even when not needed.

 

[lem34]

Oh leave him be, he has de facto "ghar ka jawai" status by virtue of his personal contacts. In any case, he does provide good entertainment and levity, albeit even when not needed.

Or it could be that you have an axe to grind with certain people because for whatever reason whether that be education or intellectual prowess you were unable in your to succeed in your application to be a TT.

back to topic I agree with Dev when he said it may well suit Pakistan for Indians to underestimate Pakistan

 

[VCheng]

........................
back to topic I agree with Dev when he said it may well suit Pakistan for Indians to underestimate Pakistan

Actually the topic is this:

India main zyada himmat hai?

The answer appears to be yes, since India has launched its ICBM, while Pakistan has not.

 

[lem34]

The answer appears to be yes, since India has launched its ICBM, while Pakistan has not.

No it does not. Pakistan does what suits its national interest. If and when it suits Pakistan will take this action. remember nukes test?? we did it when we thought it appropriate even though Americans were begging us not to??