Why is Nawaz Sharif Lying?

[jericho]

He is lying because he is a cheat, and this type of ppl are the reason ppl in Pak don't trust in government, I really hope he gets his punishment to set an example for ppl that think any 'chor' can be a PM in Pak and get away with it.

 

[AUz]

1) Second largest party of where???

By number of votes in general election.

Anyways, it is irrelevant..

And who has the right to put people into Blood Bath?

NO ONE.

And that's why PML(N)'s government should be ashamed of itself because of the murderous deeds it is committing right now against peaceful protestors..

And I expect you to be a grown up man---so please do not show bunch of pics where some protestors have dandas etc. in their hands.

PTI and PAT protestors were remarkably peaceful for past 17 days...so it was totally government's fault for going bezerk on them. Specially considering the fact that there was NO need for this. Army is already there and they would not have allowed protestors to take over the building.

We all know it. Yet PML(N) murdered/shelled women, children, old, and young like they are cattles.

ALL other parties are standing with the system so you break Parliament based on 1 person out of 99%? with 20K people out of 200 Million?

Seriously?!

I thought you had background in law?

It does not matter if all parties are with government or not. What matters is: Are the reservations against government/past election legally valid or not?

And if reservations on past election are valid to the point where it cast's serious doubts on the credibility of entire process..then guess what? Government needs to resign and re-elections need to happen!

THAT is how law works.

You talked about how people need to have law degrees from English speaking countries in order to understand your points..and being a law student in one of the best universities out there, I thought I'd engage you and it'd be fun. But as of now, you have not mentioned ANYTHING that justifies your support of government under legal frame-work.

I'll quote myself here

" The case is simple: Elections happened. There are serious reservations about the validity of the elections. It is universally accepted that massive rigging happened in those elections. In every constituency, according to government's own interior minister, 40,000 to 70,000 votes are unverifiable. This casts serious doubts on validity of the whole process.

Moreover, government's actions such as sacking the NADRA chief without any valid reason dents government's legitimacy even further (Remember, Tariq Malik was the key guy who could've done "dudh ka dudh, paani ka paani" and who could've demonstrated whether last elections were rigged on mass scale or not). And then you have murder of 14 people at the hands of government and victims are not not even allowed to register FIR against the chief minister of Punjab.

All of this brings the legitimacy of the government to a very low point due to valid reservations of a large portion of masses (Unlike Republican cry babies' bs against Obama administration)."

Now, from the eyes of law, if what I've stated above is correct..then no matter what...re-elections should happen (under a reformed, biometric system to minimize rigging). It does not matter in the context of legal frameworks that PPP and other parties in parliament support NS.

Legally, what matters is this: Is there enough evidence and valid reservations to undermine the credibility of entire election process? If yes, then--sir---legally---the only way forward is re-elections. There is no other way. You can quote me on this, I know how the law works.

The only way you can argue against the demand of re-election from legal point of view is to show that there isn't any legally valid case for re-elections. Uptil now, I have not seen any such argument from either PML(N), or their supporters, and you as well.

Their is the legal system and Parliament. You apparently study in law school and you mentioned "top ten" so I assume Stanford or Berkeley...can you imagine Republicans (no matter how ticked off they are with Obama, doing this)? Can YOU as an individual instigate such violence and hate anywhere in the US and threaten the entire government leaders and all? (NO matter how corrupt they are)? If your answer is yes, Law isn't the right choice for you to be honest.

After talking to you, I am actually more confident that law is the right choice for me.

Let me explain now:

Imran Khan tried all the possible legal/parliamentary procedures and nothing happened. Government actively tried to block any effort to verify the elections of 2013.

Now you say that Imran Khan should go to law if he has reservations regarding elections. Well, offcourse. That's the only way. BUT here is what YOU are having a hard time to understand maybe because you aren't a law student like I am. So i'll try to explain this.

If there are reservations on the electoral process, Law (that is neutral law, not sharif courts of unfortunate Pakistan but lets leave it) will come in action and will check if the elections were rigged on mass level or not. For that, law will verify the votes and match the results with the election results to see if there was any mass corruption or not.

BUT HERE COMES THE CATCH: Government itself told the people (and Law) that 40,000 to 70,000 votes in every constituency can not be verified because of the paper/ink was substandard and not upto electoral standards blah blah.

You know what? THIS right here throws the entire election out of the park under any and every type of legal frame-work.

When you have an election about which there are massive reservations...and there is ample proof of massive rigging...and then majority of the votes casted during that election are not even verifiable by Law. Guess what? By very legal definition of elections, such elections are invalid and hence there is no legitimacy of the government that was formed after such elections.

Therefore, under all legal frameworks, there is no other way but re-elections to sort out this mess.

2) My argument isn't their wishes or "demands". My and every SANE person's argument is the PROCESS. Violence is HARDLY justified.

Yes. I know that there is only one way. PROCESS.

But I have already explained you that how, if you go by process, re-election is the only result one can get. There is no other way under legal process in this case.

And Imran Khan NEVER justified violence and has again and again rejected it. But lets not go into this. I hope you'll respond to my above points...

Last but not least, you still didn't give me "legal" court of law constitutional definitions of these terms like "Facilitator" vs. the "Decision Maker" vs, "the Mediator"...

Jugglery of words. Doesn't matter. The main case is what I have presented above. Lets not get bogged down in side details.

 

[Viper0011.]

And that's why PML(N)'s government should be ashamed of itself because of the murderous deeds it is committing right now against peaceful protestors..

PTI and PAT protestors were remarkably peaceful for past 17 days

We all know it. Yet PML(N) murdered/shelled women, children, old, and young like they are cattles.

I thought you had background in law?

And Imran Khan NEVER justified violence and has again and again rejected it. But lets not go into this. I hope you'll respond to my above points...

Are you sure studying LAW is the right thing for you? I am having reservations reading what you wrote. If I go by your logic, then the Republicans would've attacked the Capital long time ago with the amount of disagreements and displeasure they have with Obama.... The Busch Era elections would've resulted in more and more public action?

You are missing the KEY point. The SYSTEM always remains in place and the country runs peacefully or without damage to its economy and to its assets. If you have issues with the voting process; you go to the court, the court turns you down backed up by the evidence obtained from the law enforcement, local and international media, the case is either won or struck down.

Either way, both parties respect the court's decision and move on. No where does the law says if you have mental issues and you are NOT going to trust the evidence and the constitution, you can put thousands at risk through domestic terrorism.

PAT STARTED out by killing Policemen. There are NON-Bailable arrest warrants out for the Mullah for God's sake and those are through an anti-terrorism court. Tells you a LOT about the "peaceful" protests. The threats issued on hourly basis are being watched by the entire world and you are claiming here that this was peaceful? How much more propaganda can you guys do? Sitting in AC just like your Greeder / Leader sitting behind bullet proof containers getting innocents hurt, half of which don't even know why they are there.

PAT and PTI's outer rings consisted of Women and Children. This is Mullah's style. This is how "BRAVE" he really is. Both you and I know how innocent and illiterate people in Pakistan go nuts over the call of an extremist Mullah. Seen it for decades now. This was your LEADERS responsibility to MAKE SURE not to issue order to proceed towards the Parliament house and towards the PM house. They were told by the government where the line was drawn but they wanted body bags to get to their mission and do some face saving as they failed miserably. Two leaders who claimed "We'll take the first bullet" are sitting behind bullet proof glass with guards. And innocents are being hurt and injured. What a BRAVE movement and a pussy move.

I have seen the videos of BOTH IK and Mullah Greedy issuing statements to move forward and they BOTH knew what that meant. As long as they remained in the place that was given to them, no shelling occurred. You challenge the State, you'll get some back. Period.

Every single drop of blood here is responsibility of the leaders instigating terrorism and assault on the State's capital buildings. No one would allow that in the world. Period. If you have doubts about it and your limited knowledge of Law isn't helping, try something like a supportive protest like the one IK is doing, here in the US to support IK's cause. You'll be sent to Jail and then to Gitmo as this is nothing but Domestic Terrorism. You CAN NOT under ANY circumstances put innocent Public's lives at risk and threaten a government which runs under a constitution.

IK thinks he is above the law and the constitution. He just fired the President of his own party WITHOUT knowing that he can NOT do that per the party's constitution. Here's the REAL Monarchy. ONE person thinking that his party's president can go on a sentence and similarly, a Prime Minister of an entire country can go on his wish too.

Majority of the supporters were brought here on the Account of Islam by Mullah and Pashtuns by IK. This is how low the humanity can get in a person and some of you call him a leader. He's on the stage and his rhetoric is against the Punjabi's. Think about it, when the Punjabi's in a situation like this come out then what happens? When the Baluchis and the Sindhi's come out then what?
If the goal is to break your country into four separate countries than he's on target so far. But under ONE country and its constitution, everything going on, comes under Domestic Terrorism and the only courts who will prosecute these two idiots are the anti-terrorism courts.

 

[Jzaib]

People are standing up against nawaz sharif illegal government