Are you guys talking about Zarvan?
Yh, I think Mods gonna close this thread soon.
Too much off-topic stuff.
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Are you guys talking about Zarvan?
yea i know, thats why i didnt bother to post anymore in this thread.Yh, I think Mods gonna close this thread soon.
Too much off-topic stuff.
Mr that is why I said for this we will look at what Sahabas did on these issues and for your information Mr HAZRAT UMAR RA implemented the punishment of 80 lashes for drinking Alcohol and his own son was caught in his time drinking and he was punished and he died because of this punishment Sir and he is the one who enforced Hijab too MrThere's no punishment for drinking Alcohol or not wearing Hijab. Your family can advise you on what to do but that is it? The state doesn't punish you for these acts as they are a personal matter. Again you have used a word "Ijtihad", like liberal that you have no understanding of.
Mr that is why I said for this we will look at what Sahabas did on these issues and for your information Mr HAZRAT UMAR RA implemented the punishment of 80 lashes for drinking Alcohol and his own son was caught in his time drinking and he was punished and he died because of this punishment Sir and he is the one who enforced Hijab too Mr
Sir this is completely true and this incident was done by a Caliph not a personal issue Mr many others were also punished for thisThat is fabricated story.
If we are to assume that it is true,It was done by a father on the insistance of his son, like I said before, that is not an issue of the state, it is a personal family matter to decide these issues.
Prove that Hijab was enforced, merely stating it doesn't carry weight.
Sir this is completely true and this incident was done by a Caliph not a personal issue Mr many others were also punished for this
Sir incident I quoted is the authentic one if you want to make some stupid excuses and run away from the way of Sahaba your problemQuote another occasions when this was done. This time bring something authentic.
You don't have time to read Islam but enough time to make some funny comments related to Islam WOWI'm not going to read through all of that...make bold all the important parts showing the state gave punishment to someone without their consent for drinking.
At Madina the following verse was revealed to the Holy prophet:
"They ask you about wine and games of chance. Say 'They lead to great sin, and have some use for men. But the sin inherent in them exceeds their usefulness." (2: 219)
The Holy Prophet informed Umar of this revelation. Umar said: 'Holy Prophet. This is not enough, pray to God for a specific injunction."
Some time later came another revelation, namely:
"Believers! wine, games of chance, idols, and diving arrows are abominations which are the handiwork of the Devil. Avoid them so that you may prosper." (5: 90)
When Umar was informed of this revleation, he said: "Holy Prophet; this is a negative provision. Pray to God to give some positive injunction."
Then another verse was revealed which provided:
"The Devil intends that by means of wine, games of chance, he should provoke enmity and hatred among you; and stop you from remembering Allah and saying your prayers. Will you not keep them away from them?" (5: 91)
Sir GOD gave us brain to use it Sir and that is why Ijtihad is in the Quran Sir Mr even method of Salah is not in the and also not of Zakat and Fasting and Hajj and also Quran doesn't forbid us from killing children and women in war its HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW who have stopped Muslims from targeting women and children Mr that is why we have Ijtihad Mr I don't believe in shady stories I believe in authentic things this incidents can be found in all history and also many Hadees books History books most famous of them is of Ibn Kaseer read it GOD knew it but he has allowed some matters to people to decide^^^In which books were these events mentioned? I can't find them anywhere.
Regardless it is being called unauthentic online and even sounds like BS.
Why can't God decide the punishment? This makes religion sound like a joke. So God wasn't smart enough to figure out himself how Bad Alchohol was and needed Umar(RAD), a mans help?
You can believe in these shady stories that don't make sense, the Quran clearly gives no punishment, it is a sin, but it's between you and God.
^^^In which books were these events mentioned? I can't find them anywhere.
Regardless it is being called unauthentic online and even sounds like BS.
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Because women alone will never have the power to change anything. The argument that's peddled around "bunch of guys discussion women dresses" is moot, because its the "guys" who make the rules and enforce them.
imho, my 2 cents and all that.....
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That much is obvious is it not?
Can you name one female prophet?
What's the point of this reply? I dont understand it, sorry.
there are others who complain there is no gay god?
This argument is as lame as it gets..