Why is India occupying our land? India must grant Kashmir azadi from oppressive Army

[baajey]

Army has to be brought out as a last resort

No country with self respect would like to loose its territory

In Assam the local police were scared of the ULFA goons ; Hence Army was deployed

completely agree.
also mention-able is the fact that, they are gradually withdrawn with the return of normalcy.
why was this magnanimity not shown to the ppl of kashmir after normalcy returned ?

So you mean to say that common people of India DO not care
if Kashmir remains in India or not

Now tell me whose head is in sand

In fact common people do not care for any number of casualties in J and K

But if any foolish politician like Chidambaram
or Man mohan Singh ever tried to give away kashmir ; then his entire party would be eliminated

You would see hundreds of millions of " Ordinary people " rise up in revolt

indian ppl dont give a sh#t whether india has kashmir or not. they only become nationalistic when they are at tea stalls or in PDF.
regarding party politics, are you trying to equate some party's fears of losing election with uber nationalism of ordinary folks ? u n i both know how disconnected our political system is from the lives of ppl.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

why was this magnanimity not shown to the ppl of kashmir after normalcy returned ?

What normalcy has ever returned to kashmir

You take out the Army ; you loose kashmir in two days

Are you really SO NAIVE or you belong to the JNU group

indian ppl dont give a sh#t whether india has kashmir or not. they only become nationalistic when they are at tea stalls or in PDF.

That is your perception ; not reality

Indians trust the Government to protect India's Territorial integrity

Therefore they will not come out on streets ;unnecessarily
But they will when it is necessary

 

[baajey]

What normalcy has ever returned to kashmir

You take out the Army ; you loose kashmir in two days

Are you really SO NAIVE or belong to the JNU group

if you are so sure that india cant even retain a part of our land without the army holed in the ground for 70 odd years, then its safe to say we have lost the legitimacy to call that part a part of our country.

That is your perception ; not reality

Indians trust the Government to protect India's Territorial integrity

Therefore they will not come out on streets

But they will when it is necessary

no person, in their sane minds, will come out of their homes in support of kashmir. they have more important things to do....namely, go to job, earn money, eat food......n then if they have time , like we have, they can troll about kashmir or chad.

 

[Fireurimagination]

if you are so sure that india cant even retain a part of our land without the army holed in the ground for 70 odd years, then its safe to say we have lost the legitimacy to call that part a part of our country.

no person, in their sane minds, will come out of their homes in support of kashmir. they have more important things to do....namely, go to job, earn money, eat food......n then if they have time , like we have, they can troll about kashmir or chad.

Army will be there as long as needed 70 years or 700 years, Indians don't give a sh#t. Before India (or infact any country) will let go of it's territory it will prefer to clean the separatist. India has kid-gloved the issue for long, remove 370 hand over the said 10 districts to Army and change the demographics, it will take a year max to solve the so-called Kashmir problem. China did it, Pakistan did it, India should also do the same

 

[baajey]

Army will be there as long as needed 70 years or 700 years, Indians don't give a sh#t. Before India (or infact any country) will let go of it's territory it will prefer to clean the separatist. India has kid-gloved the issue for long, remove 370 hand over the said 10 districts to Army and change the demographics, it will take a year max to solve the so-called Kashmir problem. China did it, Pakistan did it, India should also do the same

well, going by the punjab problem, ur solution is definitely feasible.
but then, the kashmir problem would have been solved by now.
also, your rhetoric of 70 or 700 years is easy to say considering you are staying in a peaceful area.
ask any person(not including the militants) from the insurgency areas, and they will hate the idea of bringing the military or the militants.

 

[Fireurimagination]

well, going by the punjab problem, ur solution is definitely feasible.
but then, the kashmir problem would have been solved by now.
also, your rhetoric of 70 or 700 years is easy to say considering you are staying in a peaceful area.
ask any person(not including the militants) from the insurgency areas, and they will hate the idea of bringing the military or the militants.

Putting boots on the ground is never a recommended thing (and I believe neither the government or the army prefers it) but sometimes that is the only way

 

[baajey]

Putting boots on the ground is never a recommended thing (and I believe neither the government or the army prefers it) but sometimes that is the only way

exactly.
but if this solution doesn't work for, say, much longer periods, then we have to look for alternative solutions (in addition to the existential one, esp if the solution is military).
from my personal experience, almost every extremity by an armed personnel creates another dissident. so while we step in with a solution, lets be aware that the solution should not be a part of the problem. this is exactly what kashmir is facing today.

btw, i apologize if you found my earlier post offensive.

 

[Fireurimagination]

exactly.
but if this solution doesn't work for, say, much longer periods, then we have to look for alternative solutions (in addition to the existential one, esp if the solution is military).
from my personal experience, almost every extremity by an armed personnel creates another dissident. so while we step in with a solution, lets be aware that the solution should not be a part of the problem. this is exactly what kashmir is facing today.

btw, i apologize if you found my earlier post offensive.

The army cannot be used endlessly, same way separatism/militancy cannot be sustained endlessly too (Punjab being an example). The fun part is we can afford not to blink as long as we want, until the Kashmir awam realize that the hurriyat/politicians are taking them for a ride or Kashmir police trains and handle the law and order independently (like in Punjab) or through more drastic measures if needed

 

[baajey]

The army cannot be used endlessly, same way separatism/militancy cannot be sustained endlessly too (Punjab being an example). The fun part is we can afford not to blink as long as we want, until the Kashmir awam realize that the hurriyat/politicians are taking them for a ride or Kashmir police trains and handle the law and order independently (like in Punjab) or through more drastic measures if needed

sadly, what u said is true.
personally, i would like to keep the land due to its geo strategic importance. however, i would avoid doing so at the cost of the ppl residing there.
moreover, not many in Kashmir awam is interested in azaadi or whatever u mite call it. its the ever present shadow of armed personnel which is creating the resentment. in fact, the presence of army itself is not the problem, but the usual bickering/jibes, occasional slaps and kicks, and numerous other profanities, continued in long terms is causing the resentment of ordinary ppl. suppose, u need to go buy milk for ur infant. u come across a check post where u r frisked and occasionally insulted. even worse, ur wife had to go to fetch something and is searched by the men in fatigues, and was touched inappropriately. how would you feel ? how would ur family feel ? and how many years you would carry on with this ? u understand that this is for your security from the terrorists, but are you ready to pay this price, day in and day out for an unspecified years to come ? someday, maybe after 10 years you lose your patience and retaliated. would you be a terrorist ? (peaceful protests dont work in insurgency affected areas).
its a frigging "visious circle".

 

[Fireurimagination]

sadly, what u said is true.
personally, i would like to keep the land due to its geo strategic importance. however, i would avoid doing so at the cost of the ppl residing there.
moreover, not many in Kashmir awam is interested in azaadi or whatever u mite call it. its the ever present shadow of armed personnel which is creating the resentment. in fact, the presence of army itself is not the problem, but the usual bickering/jibes, occasional slaps and kicks, and numerous other profanities, continued in long terms is causing the resentment of ordinary ppl. suppose, u need to go buy milk for ur infant. u come across a check post where u r frisked and occasionally insulted. even worse, ur wife had to go to fetch something and is searched by the men in fatigues, and was touched inappropriately. how would you feel ? how would ur family feel ? and how many years you would carry on with this ? u understand that this is for your security from the terrorists, but are you ready to pay this price, day in and day out for an unspecified years to come ? someday, maybe after 10 years you lose your patience and retaliated. would you be a terrorist ? (peaceful protests dont work in insurgency affected areas).
its a frigging "visious circle".

What you say is true, keeping the armed forces on ground is a double edged sword. Hope J&K police can take up policing and even some counter-insurgency operations and CRPF can be withdrawn in the near future. But no way India or any country will leave real-estate that too as important as J&K because of intimidation or for fact that the some sections of local population are hostile. Heck they don't even compromise on Siachin so anybody who thinks or believes India would vacate J&K because of some stone throwing kids is living in a lala land. Pakistan wan't to keep IA occupied, jobless and religiously brainwashed kids have nothing better to do and the saga continues.

 

[baajey]

What you say is true, keeping the armed forces on ground is a double edged sword. Hope J&K police can take up policing and even some counter-insurgency operations and CRPF can be withdrawn in the near future. But no way India or any country will leave real-estate that too as important as J&K because of intimidation or for fact that the some sections of local population are hostile. Heck they don't even compromise on Siachin so anybody who thinks or believes India would vacate J&K because of some stone throwing kids is living in a lala land. Pakistan wan't to keep IA occupied, jobless and religiously brainwashed kids have nothing better to do and the saga continues.

as i said, i wouldn't give away an inch of territory. we held onto kashmir during the worst of times. now since our times have changed we need to revise our policies so that the problem can be solved.
hope for the better.

 

[Fireurimagination]

as i said, i wouldn't give away an inch of territory. we held onto kashmir during the worst of times. now since our times have changed we need to revise our policies so that the problem can be solved.
hope for the better.

True, ample economic growth and opportunities is one way to address atleast a part of the problem but the politicians (namely abdullahs and muftis) provide just lip service and emotional rhetoric because that suits them better

 

[baajey]

True, ample economic growth and opportunities is one way to address atleast a part of the problem but the politicians (namely abdullahs and muftis) provide just lip service and emotional rhetoric because that suits them better

why wouldnt they ? it suits them. also, why them only ? all the parties involved, GoI, GoP, IA, JnK everybody has some state or the other. there is some big under-table dealings going on there.
only economic growth and opportunities will stem the insurgency here.

 

[American Pakistani]

Do you want me to post hundreds of images of the atrocities committed in Balochistan and YouTube videos too?

Throwing stones from glass houses is a silly idea. It can backfire on you.

Yes you are welcome to start a thread and get ready for khalistan, assam, nagaland, tamiaddu, manipur, South tibet violence thread.

If you think you can do your bharti r rona and drag the non disputed regions, we can do too.

Better stick with thread and discuss about 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists in IOK.

Epic fail!

when did the bangladeshi become a kashmiri? good luck next time peddling dirty propaganda.

http://atimes.com/2015/07/acquittal...irls-killing-rekindles-human-rights-concerns/

We all know how brutal jehadi scums are, good you realized that .

Thanks for your support in understanding that. Guys we have pakistani who provided reasoning & proof why Indian army should be present in kashmir , please applaud him.

http://www.hinduhumanrights.info/kashmiri-hindu-activists-record-horrors-of-brutal-killings/
http://www.ibtl.in/news/states/1705/the-massacre-at-wandhama--kashmir-:-25-january-1998/

On January 25, 1998, 23 Kashmiri Pandits living in the village of Wandhama were killed by unidentified gunmen. According to the testimony of one of the survivors of the incident, a 14 year-old Hindu boy named Vinod Kuman Dhar.

The massacre was allegedly committed by Abdul Hamid Gada of Hizbul Mujahideen and was timed to coincide with the Shab-e-Qadar, the holiest night of the month of Ramzan, when believers stay awake until dawn. Gada was subsequently shot dead by Indian security forces in 2000.

You can keep your indian media $h1t with yourself. Fake news, fake encounters, mass graves...even those 51 massacred in IOK were by Pakistan or Kashmiris and not by Indian occupier terrorists...gimme a break.

 

[Indika]

You can keep your indian media $h1t with yourself. Fake news, fake encounters, mass graves...even those 51 massacred in IOK were by Pakistan or Kashmiris and not by Indian occupier terrorists...gimme a break.

lol you get mad when your post about bangladeshi shown as kashmiri gets exposed. Keep your $h1t to yourself, next time dont shoot yourself in the foot.