Why is India Military losing the war with Pakistan?

[xyxmt]

By this time, hopefully, the Indian folks might have learnt "war" is little more complicated than what the Mahalle RSS/Hindutva goons think, which is reflected in their media!!!! By the by, how come their officers, supposed to be highly trained in academic environment, also fell for that????

highly trained in the academics? have to watched their press conference videos, no confidance, no language, no personality.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

highly trained in the academics? have to watched their press conference videos, no confidance, no language, no personality.

Of course don't know about India, but usually military officers take challenging courses after courses throughout their careers (both in domestic an international settings).....

 

[xyx007]

The Motto of Pak Army is "Faith, Piety, to strive in the path of Allah" The Pakistan Army, started virtually from a scratch on 14 August 1947, in the face of heavy odds.
Allah’s help to the Muslims against their disbelieving enemies who wage war on them is something real and true. Allah, may He be exalted, has promised that to the believers, and has told them that it is near, and that He only delays it for certain significant reasons. The one who has strong faith and true certainty will realise that it is indeed near as the Lord, may He be exalted, has told us.
Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Or think you that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, ‘When (will come) the Help of Allah?’ Yes! Certainly, the Help of Allah is near!”
[al-Baqarah 2:214].

Indian army is bigger in number and strength. It has some fair advantage in some of the technologies but this advantage is only in numbers.
One thing must be kept in mind that Indian army has an offensive approach while The Pakistan Army's primary posture is a defensive-offensive one. Defend across the length of the front, and take offensive where the Indian side is weaker to gain leverage in subsequent peace talks. So for the offensive you got to have a larger number.
Pakistan army consider Indian army as very professionals who know their jobs and roles well. But at the same time we have to keep in mind that both of these countries have the nuclear weapons which can clean the whole city’s population in blink of an eye. So that’s the reason why these two nations will never go out on a full fledged war. Instead they would just prefer exchange of fire over the working boundary and not the international boundary.
Both Pakistan and India are developing economies and none of them would want to start a war and go back 50–60 years so we can’t say that Pakistan ar
India has never defeated Pakistan , East Pakistan wing of the country in 1971, where Pakistani forces on the ground were outnumbered 1:4, in the air 1:7, and in the littoral waters by a margin of 1:9, completely isolated and cut off from mainland Pakistan. During the same war, the Indians, when arrayed against the Pakistani forces in West Pakistan, could not inflict any serious damage to the Pakistani forces and this has been the case in each of the wars where Pakistani defence against Indian offense has been very robust and has held up. Besides the 1971 war, every single other war/skirmish fought by these two countries has resulted in a stalemate. This was the case in 1948 skirmish, 1965 war, Siachen and even Kargil conflicts where Pakistani troops still maintain presence on some of the heights taken over.

Moving beyond the history and speaking of contemporary experience, Pakistan Army has a much more recent combat experience given the Army's active participation in GWOT where the Army has had the chance to conduct COIN, FIBUA, and Anti Terrorism operations. These operations and continuous rotations have given the Pakistan Army units very significant operational experience which is at par with that of the Western militaries conducting operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (we are finding these things out in military-military exchanges.)

Given this experience, Pakistani military institutions and training schools are constantly hosting foreign officers and troops. The equipment in use is being kept operational and serviceable given the needs of the service in the conduct of operations and the combat standard operating procedures of the units have seen a very drastic enhancement. The military's doctrine has also undergone a very significant change to now be able to cater to a broader spectrum of operations beyond LFE.

 

[Telescopic Sight]

We usually do not reveal IP details but it is an interesting scenario so all I wanna say is his IP is detected in Haryana, India

So , this where " Nilu Pule " the fake Maharashtrian and also Manlion , the fake Tamilian can be found ! hahaha!!

But more likely , google shows this option :

" With a good private VPN, you can change your IP address and choose your own virtual location in another country. "

So this chap is 99 % not Indian.

 

[Pepsi Cola]

So , this where " Nilu Pule " the fake Maharashtrian and also Manlion , the fake Tamilian can be found ! hahaha!!

But more likely , google shows this option :

" With a good private VPN, you can change your IP address and choose your own virtual location in another country. "

So this chap is 99 % not Indian.

Your pitty accusals don't make anything he said any less true my fake American friend!

 

[Telescopic Sight]

Your pitty accusals don't make anything he said any less true my fake American friend!

I am American only by passport and Indian in every other way.
I am always here to help you with your English though. What are ' pitty accusals ' ? Try dictionary.com before typing please.

 

[macnurv]

By this time, hopefully, the Indian folks might have learnt "war" is little more complicated than what the Mahalle RSS/Hindutva goons think, which is reflected in their media!!!! By the by, how come their officers, supposed to be highly trained in academic environment, also fell for that????

They watched too many bollywood movies and watched too much of Indian media. Simply put they believed in their own hype.

We usually do not reveal IP details but it is an interesting scenario so all I wanna say is his IP is detected in Haryana, India

Yes ISI hijacked a computer in India and using it to post on PDF as an Indian. (Indian Logic)

It's hard to define "losing" in this context, Pakistan has the upper-hand currently but it has not gained any solid footing and tides can turn any second.

Pakistani forces have a qualitative edge in terms of training, morale and experience; but not enough to close the comparative strength gap due to Indian numbers. Small jabs like the aerial encounter or LOC skirmishes will see Pakistani victories but a full-on conventional warfare will mostly be fought in Pakistani territory with Pakistan taking more proportional damage.

I think you are severely overestimating Indian capabilities at the same time under estimating Pakistan ability to mount an effective campaign. Your statement also didnt take into account the experience gained, tactics developed and refined, overall we are militarily far better prepared compared to a decade or so ago. Casualties will be very high on both sides, but its highly unlikely Indians will be able to gain complete air superiority over Pakistan, as long as we deny them that ground forces can push them back. Having said that Pakistan can not fight a protracted war, so we must be looking for a decisive blow as soon as possible, but if current Indian mindset is anything to go by which considers peace offers as weakness, I dont see it ending in any other way but Nuclear, unlike Indians, I do not use nuclear lightly. If this happens the humanity is looking at its own extinction, across the globe. But Indians are still under some serious delusions about it.

highly trained in the academics? have to watched their press conference videos, no confidance, no language, no personality.

Every press conference Indians have conducted so far is nothing but a sham, they come, make unsubstantiated claims, provides no proof except for a piece of a missile and without taking questions run off.

So , this where " Nilu Pule " the fake Maharashtrian and also Manlion , the fake Tamilian can be found ! hahaha!!

But more likely , google shows this option :

" With a good private VPN, you can change your IP address and choose your own virtual location in another country. "

So this chap is 99 % not Indian.

Again, says the 100% fake American.

I am American only by passport and Indian in every other way.
I am always here to help you with your English though. What are ' pitty accusals ' ? Try dictionary.com before typing please.

You dont need to tell you're an Indian, we can smell that shit from miles away. Before offering us to teach better english, how about you go and teach your fellow Indians working in scam call centres on developing better accents while trying to scam Americans. Another Indian clown.

 

[Telescopic Sight]

Again, says the 100% fake American.

Can you read the post above yours? Need me to translate to Urdu or Pashto or something else? I ll ask those Pakistanis pretending to be Indian what app they use ?

You dont need to tell you're an Indian, we can smell that shit from miles away. Before offering us to teach better english, how about you go and teach your fellow Indians working in scam call centres on developing better accents while trying to scam Americans. Another Indian clown.

Such class, you are a credit to your parents! I am sure they are proud of you and your language today.
I'm kidding, they both wish they had used protection

 

[macnurv]

Can you read the post above yours? Need me to translate to Urdu or Pashto or something else? I ll ask those Pakistanis pretending to be Indian what app they use ?

Oh wow another Indian troll, trying hard to come up with zingers. Oh boy these roaches are coming out of their holes really fast now.

Such class, you are a credit to your parents! I am sure they are proud of you and your language today.
I'm kidding, they both wish they had used protection

Wow how original, a condom joke! Trying to rehash a joke an American made at your country's expense. If there is one country that needs to use condoms, its India. Oh wait most of the condoms are too large for your small dicks and huge egos. I think there is an inverse relation there.

 

[A1Kaid]

It's hard to define "losing" in this context, Pakistan has the upper-hand currently but it has not gained any solid footing and tides can turn any second.

Pakistani forces have a qualitative edge in terms of training, morale and experience; but not enough to close the comparative strength gap due to Indian numbers. Small jabs like the aerial encounter or LOC skirmishes will see Pakistani victories but a full-on conventional warfare will mostly be fought in Pakistani territory with Pakistan taking more proportional damage.

I've read Indian military stock of ammo would last roughly a month, and much of their ammo is expired, old, and/or unreliable.

Also keep in mind Pakistan spends/invests more per soldier than India does. Which also means the average Pakistani soldier is going to be better equipped than an Indian soldier.

War is not just about quantity of ships, tanks, soldiers, which India has more of, there are ways to deal and mitigate that in war.

I don't think the next war would be fought in Pakistan only. It would also be fought on Indian territorty.

 

[sinait]

I am American only by passport and Indian in every other way.
I am always here to help you with your English though. What are ' pitty accusals ' ? Try dictionary.com before typing please.

You need not remind us of your HISTORY OF BRITISH ENSLAVEMENT.

Indian Military is intentionally losing the war to hand a defeat to Modi at the elections.
Judging by their celebrations on the 1st day, NOT TRUE.
Indian Military lacks motivation or scared to fight a war with Pakistan
From their display of jingoism and braying for blood, NOT TRUE.

In 1962, the Indians were so confident of their superiority over famine ravished China, India executed Forward Policy to GREEDILY GRAB more land from their neighbor.
After being utterly defeated and humiliated the intransigent Indians started giving excuses that the Chinese were the aggressors and India was unprepared for war.
The Chinese treated Indian POWs HUMANELY and returned all Indian armaments but Indians were UNGRATEFUL till this day.

So I am doubtful if India will be GRATEFUL for the show of KINDNESS to captured pilot by Pakistan.
India can only WIN by despicably taking advantage of another country which is in civil war turmoil and cut off from aid and supplies like the situation in 1971 Bangladesh.

In a fair fight India WILL lose and then give loads of BULLSHIT EXCUSES and LIES.
Go Pakistan GO GO GO.
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[blain2]

It's hard to define "losing" in this context, Pakistan has the upper-hand currently but it has not gained any solid footing and tides can turn any second.

Pakistani forces have a qualitative edge in terms of training, morale and experience; but not enough to close the comparative strength gap due to Indian numbers. Small jabs like the aerial encounter or LOC skirmishes will see Pakistani victories but a full-on conventional warfare will mostly be fought in Pakistani territory with Pakistan taking more proportional damage.

Good post. Which is why all efforts should be made to de-escalate.

 

[Telescopic Sight]

It's hard to define "losing" in this context, Pakistan has the upper-hand currently but it has not gained any solid footing and tides can turn any second.

Pakistani forces have a qualitative edge in terms of training, morale and experience; but not enough to close the comparative strength gap due to Indian numbers. Small jabs like the aerial encounter or LOC skirmishes will see Pakistani victories but a full-on conventional warfare will mostly be fought in Pakistani territory with Pakistan taking more proportional damage.

I would have preferred to reply to this thoughtful post in some genuine members thread, and not some fraud's as in this case.

Anyway, defence has advantages at all times. That also adds to the difficulties faced by the Indian forces.
But I have a bad suspicion that this clash has not ended. This single Bison may prove to be an expensive shootdown , for both nations. Hope I am wrong on this.
Thanks for this intelligent post !

 

[ThinkLogically]

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Number of POW in Pakistan's custody : 1

Number of POW in India's custody : 0

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Number of IAF aircrafts downed by PAF : 3 (1 MIG-21 BIS, 1 SU-30MKI, 1 Mi-17 Chopper)

Number of PAF aircrafts downed by IAF : 1 (1 UAV)


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Sorry, India is still leading the war race.

India: 2 (Balakot + 1 F16)
Pak: 1 (Mig 21)

 

[sinait]

This episode is a rude awakening to the jingoistic Indians, the heavy cost they have to bear for any Misadventure they may contemplate.
Hopefully Indians now realize the potency of the China Pakistan partnership after years of brainwashing by Modi of Indian superiority.

I am now more confident of peace for Pakistan.
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