Why is great philosopher Kautilya not part of Pakistan’s historical consciousness?

[Peshwa]

I am doing my duty to my nation by speaking the truth about the lies that are destroying this country, I don't deserve praise for this. Reserve your judgement, there are somethings that I say about India where you may also be one of the ones to criticize me.

truth never hurts! Bring it on compadre!

Besides, as an authority on myself, I feel I'm a good judge of character and you seem like a good apple.
Hope I'm not proven wrong!

 

[django]

Your arguments are very childish, naive, utterly lack of education, and laughable when I read how well doc has presented his arguments.

They are historically factual and instead of spewing unwarranted insults you should be grateful, as it was folk from the Indus region who "domesticated" your feral primitive tree swinging ancestors during the mid Iron age.
"Gangadesh Mata Ki Jai".

 

[Kabira]

15th century.

And I did preface with the caveat that it was only my opinion.

Cheers, Doc

It toke place between 16th-18th century which is why its well documented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

 

[padamchen]

It toke place between 16th-18th century which is why its well documented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

Well documented on Wiki genda ji?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kabira]

I thought there were no forceful conversion?

Iranis sunni were likely converted forcefully as there is very little sign of old religion there by the time they started to convert to shiasm.

Well documented on Wiki genda ji?

Cheers, Doc

You can google other sources provided by wiki.

 

[django]

Nothing much to add except for the fact that your nation was carved out in 47 on the basis of two large contiguous and isolated areas of Muslim dense populace.

In regards to Pakistan, not only was it a religious split but essentially we the Indus folks are boisterous by nature the complete opposite of the frugal and feeble folk of the Ganga region, in other word chalk and cheese, the split was inevitable as soon as the Brits had vacated themselves and their Lee Enfields from the region.Kudos Doc

 

[Corona]

In regards to Pakistan, not only was it a religious split but essentially we the Indus folks are boisterous by nature the complete opposite of the frugal and feeble folk of the Ganga region, in other word chalk and cheese, the split was inevitable as soon as the Brits had vacated themselves and their Lee Enfields from the region.Kudos Doc

History is full of people who thought virtue of race was their claim over the entire world and all its people. And to that extent, they did try and conquer those they deemed inferior or not worthy, usually on some BS pretext of 'we are the chosen race or we are God's favorite'.

You can find them if you dig 6 feet straight down in places like Kursk or Stalingrad.

 

[django]

History is full of people who thought virtue of race was their claim over the entire world and all its people. And to that extent, they did try and conquer those they deemed inferior or not worthy, usually on some BS pretext of 'we are the chosen race or we are God's favorite'.

You can find them if you dig 6 feet straight down in places like Kursk or Stalingrad.

Stop making claims on the Indus, heed the words of Adi Shankara, you folks are at best a Ganga nation, I urge you too learn your history young fella,,,,your mataram should be "Gangadesh mata ki jai".

@django @Amulet

Do you guys realize how diverse your own country is?

Sir I am well acquainted with the history and geography of Indus-stan or better put Pakistan.kudos doc

 

[padamchen]

In regards to Pakistan, not only was it a religious split but essentially we the Indus folks are boisterous by nature the complete opposite of the frugal and feeble folk of the Ganga region, in other word chalk and cheese, the split was inevitable as soon as the Brits had vacated themselves and their Lee Enfields from the region.Kudos Doc

Take a look at your boisterous people Django.

They at as much one people ethnically and racially (not) as the Indian populace is (not).

A word f unsolicited advice. The race/people narrative is doomed to failure.

Like TNT ....

Were the British to have divided us or us to have parted on our own on "people" lines, there were and are myriad cleave lines.

But broadly you'd have Iranics west of he Indus (the traditional civilizational cleave plane), the Punjabis/Sindhis/Rajasthanis/Kashmiris in one, most of the Gangetic plain and central India in one (till the Vindhyas), Peninsular southern India and Sri Lanka in one, and all of North East India in one with most of Bengal being a rump state.

Hope that helps. @Kaptaan you views on this racio-anthrpological division? I hear from Joe that underneath the "gangubai" facade you're actually pretty good at this.

Cheers, Doc

 

[DarX]

They imply what everyone sees you as.

Because you never developed a unique identity of your own that was not dependent on "not/anti" India.

In trying hard to distance yourself from India, to ridiculous lengths may I say with your institutionalized selective historical revisionism, you were seen and are seen as Indians who have a serious problem with the large majority of Indians and therefore broke away.

You lost your heritage and ownership of native history because ultimately to the world INDIA (the modern political state) became the natural inheritor of all such.

And you became a diaphanous twilight zone somewhere between the sands of Arabia and the jungles and flood plains of India.

Cheers, Doc

You are continuously contradicting yourself, which is not surprising since Indians have embraced moral gymnastics as a national characteristic.

The universe doesn't revolve around Hindustan. That is what has been brainwashed into all Indians but the reality is very different. Everyone in the world knows that, except for Hindustanis. It is interesting to see Indians proclaim themselves as the inheritors of all history of India. That is mighty humble of you. For the rest of us, it shows how arrogance has blinded India.

Please wake up before you fall off the cliff. Or don't wake up. We are good either way.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

At that time I can guess there are lot of different philosophies which later eaten alive by Hindus by adopting and intruding some of their ideologies, you can feel the traces even today but Islam is the only religion which refuses this concept and Muslim of subcontinent develop two nations theory.

Your guess.
This is not guess, this is hate following in your mind against Hindus. You even twists the history in your favor just bcz you don't like other faiths.

 

[I.R.A]

Per @I.R.A and many other authorities around the world, a lot of Islam (and especially Shia Islam) and Christianity and Judaism before that is borrowed from and influenced by the Persians.

When I used to say something like that it always meant to stress that how Islam's original message got corrupted and polluted.

In reality ........ in the original message there is hardly any thing that we will find borrowed.

 

[padamchen]

When I used to say something like that it always meant to stress that how Islam's original message got corrupted and polluted.

In reality ........ in the original message there is hardly any thing that we will find borrowed.

I'm a simple man. Not even as religious as you are. But I do read a lot. And there is a lot of expertise out there, across faith lines and biases, that says that Aryan Zoroastrianism as the first and oldest monotheistic faith had very strong influences an all three Semitic Abrahamic faiths that followed.

Via individual Prophets (or Messengers) born to and out of different people at their pre-annointed time of greatest darkness and need.

The individual differences of the following three stem more from the people the message was for. And came from.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kabira]

You could have easily said that Chanakya is used to describe evil Brahmins instead of bad reputation.

Mainstream Pakistanis don't know about him being brahmin. But brahmins do enjoy bad reputation in Pakistan. I think reason is urdu literature since brahmins had absolute control in gangetic plains and were very cruel to low castes which basically mean non-brahmin. Haryanvi ancestor Lalu ram used to cry to Unionists about treatment from brahmins there.

Chanakya was great men and Pakistan should honour him, not happening anytime soon.

 

[I.R.A]

I'm a simple man. Not even as religious as you are. But I do read a lot. And there is a lot of expertise out there, across faith lines and biases, that says that Aryan Zoroastrianism as the first and oldest monotheistic faith had very strong influences an all three Semitic Abrahamic faiths that followed.

Via individual Prophets (or Messengers) born to and out of different people at their pre-annointed time of greatest darkness and need.

The individual differences of the following three stem more from the people the message was for. And came from.

Cheers, Doc

I have no problems with opinions of the people, they may interpret as they may wish or understand, but their opinions are not always acceptable for me.

If it was the case Quran would have mentioned Zoroastrian religion, but it doesn't, whereas Christianity and Judaism are mentioned and called as people of book ........... for me that is the test.

And as regards to me being religious, well lala its more like my way of life, I am comfortable with the principles and guidelines Quran provides ............ why I am comfortable because I feel them to be just, straight forward and lawful.