Why is great philosopher Kautilya not part of Pakistan’s historical consciousness?

[ranjeet]

We learned a lot from them.

Learned about fleeing your own lands from them too? Why did the old folks tried to escape the advanced race and refused to see the light?

First of all Pakistan does own all of Gandhara history, which was mostly Buddhist civilisation and culture which declined after invaders white hunas who ruled Gandhara region in later phase converted to hinduism. Chanakya though have very bad reputation in Pakistan as politicians mostly use his name when describing someone cunning and shrewd, also the fact that he was hindu doesn't help.

You could have easily said that Chanakya is used to describe evil Brahmins instead of bad reputation.

 

[padamchen]

Learned about fleeing your own lands from them too? Why did the old folks tried to escape the advanced race and refused to see the light?

India unfortunately got second hand culture for the most part, as it was invaded and occupied largely not by the Arabs (who mainly raided pillaged and left) but by the Perso-Turks - who in turn were first raided pillaged and converted. By the Arabs.

This is my personal opinion of course. Some may consider the Persians to be the racial superiors historically, militarily, culturally.

Cheers, Doc

 

[ranjeet]

India unfortunately got second hand culture for the most part, as it was invaded and occupied largely not by the Arabs (who mainly raided pillaged and left) but by the Perso-Turks - who in turn were first raided pillaged and converted. By the Arabs.

This is my personal opinion of course. Some may consider the Persians to be the racial superiors historically, militarily, culturally.

Cheers, Doc

Your lot got to experience the first hand culture if am not wrong, I wonder how the Arabs got the better of racially superior Persians? Was it the Islamic scientist book?

 

[padamchen]

Your lot got to experience the first hand culture if am not wrong, I wonder how the Arabs got the better of racially superior Persians? Was it the Islamic scientist book?

I don't think the Persians were racially culturally or militarily superior to the Arabs.

They were defeated no?

In a fight Ranjeet, it does not matter how many times you've won before.

If you are weaker on the day, you will lose.

Yeh zindagi ka usool hai.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

DOC since you have better history understanding than me I have a question Persian lost the wars to Sunni Arabs and converted why they suddenly they became Shia dominated country? You have any idea?

Is it was a revenge or some sort of early revolution or revolt against Sunni Arabs?

 

[padamchen]

DOC since you have better history understanding than me I have a question Persian lost the wars to Sunni Arabs and converted why they suddenly they became Shia dominated country? You have any idea?

Is it was a revenge or some sort of early revolution or revolt against Sunni Arabs?

I believe, and it is my personal belief, that the Persians have not erased the memory of Al Qadissiya (sp?) from their ancestral civilizational memory.

And what you see in the Middle East today is a continuation of that.

Building up to something.

Cheers, Doc

 

[ranjeet]

I don't think the Persians were racially culturally or militarily superior to the Arabs.

They were defeated no?

In a fight Ranjeet, it does not matter how many times you've won before.

If you are weaker on the day, you will lose.

Yeh zindagi ka usool hai.

Cheers, Doc

How many countries survived that onslaught of the Arabs (first hand or second hand) and lived to tell the story of their ancestors to their kids who stood up for Dharma.

I believe, and it is my personal belief, that the Persians have not erased the memory of Al Qadissiya (sp?) from their ancestral civilizational memory.

And what you see in the Middle East today is a continuation of that.

Building up to something.

Cheers, Doc

If am not wrong isn't the 5 times prayer is borrowed from the persians?

 

[Corona]

Doc when we all started debating this you really impress me your Parsi intellect but know after few pages of this thread you suddenly became a typical Indian in Khaki Chadi man that should not be your standard, don't stoop to that level.

Respect for your earlier posts.

It's interesting how you identify him as a Parsi, based in religion/sect rather than nationality. But when you compared him with someone else, you made the comparison between religion and nationality, instead of comparing religion to religion or nationality to nationality.

 

[padamchen]

How many countries survived that onslaught of the Arabs (first hand or second hand) and lived to tell the story of their ancestors to their kids who stood up for Dharma.


If am not wrong isn't the 5 times prayer is borrowed from the persians?

Per @I.R.A and many other authorities around the world, a lot of Islam (and especially Shia Islam) and Christianity and Judaism before that is borrowed from and influenced by the Persians.

It was the Persians who sheltered the Jews.

It was Persian priests who followed the stars and went to baby Jesus at his birth.

There is a HUGE amount of irrefutable literature by world scholars and theologians out there.

Remember what I said about zindagi ka usool.

You don't always win.

But equally, you don't always lose either.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Yerusalem 4880 Kms]

It's interesting how you identify him as a Parsi, based in religion/sect rather than nationality. But when you compared him with someone else, you made the comparison between religion and nationality, instead of comparing religion to religion or nationality to nationality.

I just asked him and like my post because he sounds like one so I assume and ask her.

 

[Kabira]

DOC since you have better history understanding than me I have a question Persian lost the wars to Sunni Arabs and converted why they suddenly they became Shia dominated country? You have any idea?

Is it was a revenge or some sort of early revolution or revolt against Sunni Arabs?

They were forced to convert to shiasm in 17th century by Safadid turks who were shias and made shiasm state religion. What padamchen is saying is rewriting history as we have well recorded evidence of forceful conversion of Iran in to shia religion.

They suddenly didn't become shias, they were sunnis more centuries then shia as of now.

 

[ranjeet]

They were forced to convert to shiasm in 17th century by Safadid turks who were shias and made shiasm state religion. What padamchen is saying is rewriting history as we have well recorded evidence of forceful conversion of Iran in to shia religion.

They suddenly didn't become shias, they were sunnis more centuries then shia as of now.

I thought there were no forceful conversion?

 

[Pakistani E]

Splendid! You are fast becoming my favorite Pakistani poster!
Clarity of thought and identity!

I am doing my duty to my nation by speaking the truth about the lies that are destroying this country, I don't deserve praise for this. Reserve your judgement, there are somethings that I say about India where you may also be one of the ones to criticize me.

 

[padamchen]

They were forced to convert to shiasm in 17th century by Safadid turks who were shias and made shiasm state religion. What padamchen is saying is rewriting history as we have well recorded evidence of forceful conversion of Iran in to shia religion.

They suddenly didn't become shias, they were sunnis more centuries then shia as of now.

15th century.

And I did preface with the caveat that it was only my opinion.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I am doing my duty to my nation by speaking the truth about the lies that are destroying this country, I don't deserve praise for this.

The only thing I probably will agree with Peshwa is your posts indeed make compelling reading.