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Why is China opening so many fronts ?

This was not the first incident that made India see China as the enemy. If by occupying some land, you thought India would change its stance or thought India could be taught a lesson, you and or China are very wrong. Relationships grow stronger with talks not by grabbing land at dark.

India initiated this standoff as well as Doklam. Prior to this, there were few incidents of this nature in the last two decades. Modi and the BJP have a very nationalistic posture and they thought they could do a border stunt in order to prove their worthiness to their new allies, but China wasn't going to let this one slide as easily as Doklam because of how they perceived Modi's "betrayal".

Anyways, the entire situation is quite unfortunate as most Chinese and Indians actually get along pretty well on an individual basis. I always had good friends who were Indian and I love Indian food. It's really too bad things turned out this way.
 
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Indian seems very sensitive now a days, the incident just shown above is nothing compare to if we count what US has been doing, Its more like you hitting someone and shouting at the same time "i am hit".
we all know which band indians are on, incircling China is not fieasble for asia, cuz they will come back hard on you, US will not come to help and russia knows that indians are timeserver.
 
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India initiated this standoff as well as Doklam. Prior to this, there were few incidents of this nature in the last two decades. Modi and the BJP have a very nationalistic posture and they thought they could do a border stunt in order to prove their worthiness to their new allies, but China wasn't going to let this one slide as easily as Doklam because of how they perceived Modi's "betrayal".

Anyways, the entire situation is quite unfortunate as most Chinese and Indians actually get along pretty well on an individual basis. I always had good friends who were Indian and I love Indian food. It's really too bad things turned out this way.
For some strange reason, even though you are safe in the USA, you are again and again parroting the Chinese government version.
How has India initiated this by building a road deep in its own LAC ? China has built infra all along the border. So can India claim that China is a instigator ?
The common area has been invaded by Chinese troops and people here are celebeting it as a Chinese 'victory ' , but some how India has instigated ?
I was on a Chinese site yesterday and the people their , except for one guy, were pretty transparent about their feelings about ahsan.
And your Indian friends will still be your friends but now they will always have doubts. Human nature. Broad brush and all that.
 
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For some strange reason, even though you are safe in the USA, you are again and again parroting the Chinese government version.
How has India initiated this by building a road deep in its own LAC ? China has built infra all along the border. So can India claim that China is a instigator ?
The common area has been invaded by Chinese troops and people here are celebeting it as a Chinese 'victory ' , but some how India has instigated ?
I was on a Chinese site yesterday and the people their , except for one guy, were pretty transparent about their feelings about ahsan.
And your Indian friends will still be your friends but now they will always have doubts. Human nature. Broad brush and all that.

The initial change in the status quo came from the Indian side and it was days after meeting with the Australians and it was after several continuous months of escalating anti-Chinese movements. I think it was meant to just be a show of force against China but given the tense situation, China was on edge and was ready to escalate the matter by taking control of important disputed territory. I think the incident that caused Indian deaths was a pretty idiotic move from the Chinese side, whether it was planned locally or higher up.

In the end, all these details don't matter. The tide of history, international politics and domestic politics in both countries have put China and India into rival camps unfortunately.
 
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what did India get in return? or someone gets something in return privately?

Decisions for India have always been made in UK.

Nehru, Vivekananda, Tata were also Freemasons
PTI New Delhi | Updated on November 22, 2017 Published on December 25, 2012
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A file photo of Swami Vivekananda. Photo: The Hindu Photo Archives

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A file photo of J.R.D Tata. Photo: The Hindu Photo Archives

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A file photo of Motilal Nehru. Photo: The Hindu Photo Archives

They are one of the world’s oldest secretive societies whose members included Motilal Nehru, Vivekananda, JRD Tata, King George VI and George Washington, among others. Their temples and lodges are specimens of grand architecture and their arcane rituals have inspired as much curiosity as fear. They are the Freemasons.

Freemasonry, an esoteric fraternity which owes its origin in the late 16th to 17th century in Scotland and England came to India through the East India Company in the early 18th century. They are known by their most recognisable symbol of an interlaced ‘Square and Compass’, found on the facade of all Freemason’s Hall.

The Grand Lodge of India (GLI) is the main governing body of Freemasonry within India. It was officially constituted on November 24, 1961 and celebrated its Golden Jubilee last year.

Before the establishment of its own order there were three delegations from the Grand Lodge of Scotland, Grand Lodge of Ireland and Grand Lodge of England.

“Our first lodge was a military one established by the EIC in 1730. After the British took it back to England post-Independence, the oldest surviving lodge, now in India is the Calcutta’s Freemason’s Hall, known as ‘The Star in the East’,” Ambarish Singh Roy, a Freemason and Assistant Regional Grand Secretary, Regional Grand Lodge of Eastern India said.

The fraternity is administratively organised into independent Grand Lodges or sometimes Orients, each of which governs its own jurisdiction, which consists of subordinate or daughter Lodges. Grand Lodges are independent and sovereign bodies that govern Masonry in a given country, state, or geographical area (termed a jurisdiction).

Made famous by the bestsellers of Dan Brown, like ‘The Da Vinci Code’, the Freemasons society commands a global membership of over 6 millions and their number in India is only growing. Their secret and elaborate rituals involve a checkered-board floor and their lodges are run well by ‘Grand Masters’.

India’s first President Rajendra Prasad, first Vice-President S Radhakrishnan, Sir Phirozeshah Mehta, C Rajagopalachari, Sir Jamsetjee Jeejeebhoy, the Nawab Of Pataudi Mansur Ali Khan, Maharaja Jivaji Rao Scindia, among other eminent Indians, were also Freemasons, according to information on the Regional Grand Lodge of North India.

Ambarish and other Freemasons from around the world participated in their 12th World Conference and 51st Grand Festival of India organised recently in South India.

The two-day conference in Mahabalipuram saw around 37 Grand Masters from their respective Lodges and carried the theme of “The Role of Freemasonry in Universal Peacekeeping”.

The conference was followed by a Grand Festival in Chennai which ended with the formal induction of new Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of India.

“RW Bro Vasudev Masurekar took over the charge of the next Grand Master from MW Bro Capt Dr B Balaram Biswakumar in a formal ceremony that was held during the festival,” B Kamakoti, Grand Secretary said.

Freemasons around the world though do not operate under an over-arching body they recognise and derecognise each other. Each country has one central Grand Lodge which is run by a Grand Master elected every three year.

“At the conference only those Lodges were invited which are in ‘amity with each other’ which means those that recognise each other. Also, during a world conference only the Grand Masters (GMs) are allowed to speak or present papers,” Kamakoti added.

The Grand Secretary affirmed that now with so many literature and cinema based on or featuring Freemasonry, whatever myths that been associate with it, must been dispelled.

“I believe whatever myths people had associated with Freemasonry have been dispelled now with so many books and movies, having come out and I feel really sorry for those who say, who do not know or have heard of this,” Kamakoti added.

Well, despite their presence with architecturally striking buildings bearing the ‘Square and Compass’, in almost all major cities in India, Freemasonry has still remained a somewhat esoteric and a mythical term. But its members say, they brush by it almost everyday albeit unwittingly.

“The iconic Rashtrapati Bhavan (Viceroy’s House) has Masonic signatures as many British kings were Freemasons. In fact, the plan of the creation of the New Delhi capital has Masonry embedded in it.

Even, the Jantar Mantar has Masonic elements. We can see it, a layman cannot,” added Roy who said Freemasonry involves a lot of study on astronomy as well.

Asked if Freemasonry is present in Pakistan, the Grand Lodge of India informed that it existed earlier before being disbanded by ex-Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and ex-President Zia-ul Haq.

“We did had Freemasonry in Pakistan but it was disbanded during the reign of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Zia-ul Haq and now those building are being used as government bungalows and post-offices, among others,” Roy added.

“The Goshamal Baradari in Hyderabad, built in 1682 by Sultan Abul Hassan Tanasha, is the oldest building used as a Masonic Temple in India. It was donated to the fraternity in 1872 by the Nizam of Hyderabad,” Roy said expounding on the architectural heritage of Freemasonry in India.

The organisers believed that Freemasonry would only rise in popularity from here and cited the example of the “revival of the long dormant Patna Regional Grand Lodge which had its Annual Meeting this January” and are now targeting the Ranchi lodge.

The world conference also marked a unique achievement for India as the only country to have been allowed so far to host it twice after being given the nod for the 2002 edition in New Delhi. The next edition is scheduled to be hosted by Romania in 2014.


https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...Tata-were-also-Freemasons/article20544410.ece
 
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Japan has ongoing territorial disputes with each and every single neighor, namely China( PRC) , China( ROC), Russia, North Korea and South Korea. Campare to India and Japan, China doesn't have much trouble with her 14 neighbors.
 
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You should check India border conflicts.
India letterly conflicts with every neibours!
LMAO, and you are constantly killing Pakistan civilians.
India has a well known tenuous relationship with Pakistan. But the topic is not India vs Pakistan , its what advantage China sees in having friction with so many countries ? You can say , we are a powerful country and we don't care about others. Thats one argument. You are not a diplomat , so does not matter.
Or if their is some other reason.
Historical wrongs wrt colonial powers is another reason, but Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, and even India ?
 
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India has a well known tenuous relationship with Pakistan. But the topic is not India vs Pakistan , its what advantage China sees in having friction with so many countries ? You can say , we are a powerful country and we don't care about others. Thats obe argument.
China has 14 neighors, the most in the world, and we only have land disputes with one of them, that's India, this makes the dispute 1 out of 14. As for islands and reef disagreements, they were not clearly defined in the history, so every country can have their own claim, every country has overlapping claimes with others, it's very natural, South China sea's disputes are between many countries, even China was not there, all the other claimants will argue with themsevles too.
 
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Japan has ongoing territorial disputes with each and every single neighor, namely China( PRC) , China( ROC), Russia, North Korea and South Korea. Campare to India and Japan, China doesn't have much trouble with her 14 neighbors.
India has a antagonist relationship with Pakistan. With China, no violence since 1975.
Other countries are Nepal, with whom we have a open border. Just show id and cross over. This recent friction is too minor.
No issues with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh ,Myanmar or Bhutan.
So i have to disagree with your comment.
 
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India has a antagonist relationship with Pakistan. With China, no violence since 1975.
Other countries are Nepal, with whom we have a open border. Just show id and cross over. This recent friction is too minor.
No issues with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh ,Myanmar or Bhutan.
So i have to disagree with your comment.
Sri landka is not a land neighbor, I m talking about land neighbors, China has 14 and we only have one country with land problem, India has over half of theirs with land problems.
 
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India has a well known tenuous relationship with Pakistan. But the topic is not India vs Pakistan , its what advantage China sees in having friction with so many countries ? You can say , we are a powerful country and we don't care about others. Thats one argument. You are not a diplomat , so does not matter.
Or if their is some other reason.
Historical wrongs wrt colonial powers is another reason, but Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, and even India ?

I don't think China sees an advantage with that. That is why Xi was trying hard to get Modi to agree to a friendly relationship back in 2018. Modi unilaterally chose to get on the anti-China bandwagon and the unfortunate incident of last week is the culmination of many steps taken towards that end. You can argue that China has escalated the problem to irreparable circumstances, which may be true. However, it has been Modi who has taken repeated initiatives to take an anti-China stance.
 
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India has a antagonist relationship with Pakistan. With China, no violence since 1975.
Other countries are Nepal, with whom we have a open border. Just show id and cross over. This recent friction is too minor.
No issues with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh ,Myanmar or Bhutan.
So i have to disagree with your comment.
Didn't Nepal border guards kill a few Indians who tried break into Nepal?

If that consider as minor, then most items about China in your list are tiny to none!
 
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China has 14 neighors, the most in the world, and we only have land disputes with one of them, that's India, this makes the dispute 1 out of 14. As for islands and reef disagreements, they were not clearly defined in the history, so every country can have their own claim, every country has overlapping claimes with others, it's very natural, South China sea's disputes are between many countries, even China was not there, all the other claimants will argue with themsevles too.
Sinking ships by ramming and putting sailors lives at risk or depriving much worse off countries of their maritime resources like fishing or oil by continuous intimidation, building artificial islands 100s of miles away from your shoreline , these are not examples of peace or peaceful rise.
And your claim in the south China sea is so over the top , that no normal person would consider it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

Didn't Nepal border guards kill a few Indians who tried break into Nepal?

If that consider as minor, then most items about China in your list are tiny to none!
Nepal killed a farmer who tried to cross over during Corona virus restrictions.
 
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