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Over the last day and a half, international attention has fixated on the Egyptian military’s bloody crackdown on supporters of deposed President Mohamed Morsi. While the UN, EU, and Western and regional nations were quick to come forth with their own reactions to the events, Asia has remained relatively quiet.

This was certainly true of China, which said little for the first 24 hours or so of the crackdown. On Thursday afternoon, however, the Foreign Ministry released a terse statement:

“China follows closely the situation in Egypt and is deeply worried about the developments. China urges parties concerned in Egypt to bear in mind the interests of the country and people, exercise maximum restraint to avoid further casualties and dissolve differences through dialogue and consultation to restore order and social stability.”

This rather vague and ambiguous statement is typical of Chinese diplomacy. Yet it also reflects the reality that there are many “contradictions” in China’s views of the military crackdown in Egypt, and its broader interests in the Arab country more generally.

Perhaps more than anything, China’s views on the military crackdown itself is full of contradictions. On the one hand, China has little interest in criticizing Egypt given its long-standing policy of not intervening in the internal affairs of other states. Additionally, China does not want to come out too harshly against a military crackdown given the ever-looming possibility that it may one day have to (again) deploy the People’s Armed Police and/or Liberation Army to put down similar, large-scale unrest in China.

Indeed, as Eric Olander and Cobus van Staden point out on the China in Africa podcast this week, Chinese leaders in some sense almost welcome the unrest besetting Egypt. After all, the emergence of the Arab Spring initially prompted concern in Beijing that similar unrest could spread to China. The Communist Party can therefore portray the unrest, chaos, and violence that have engulfed Arab Spring countries like Libya, Syria and Egypt as vindicating its argument that an authoritative state is needed to maintain law and order in China.

These concerns about not criticizing a military crackdown appear to have won out given the Foreign Ministry’s statement about protecting the interests of the country and the people in that order.

Still, China has other reasons to only offer only tepid support to the Egyptian military’s actions. First, as China has accumulated a greater share of world power, it has gradually sought a more active role on the world stage, and the Middle East proper. In this sense, it does not wish to be seen as an irresponsible world power by supporting a military crackdown, and it especially doesn’t wish to further alienate the Arab street given its immense, long-term interests in securing oil from Arab nations.

Chinese leaders also have more abstract concerns about the events in Egypt since 2011. Specifically, the fact that the Egyptian military quickly broke with Hosni Mubarak and his inner circle back in 2011, and have now easily overthrown and prosecuted the civilian leaders in the Muslim Brotherhood, plays to the CCP’s fears that the PLA could someday refuse to back the Party in a time of crisis.

China’s broader interests are also threatened by the end of Muslim Brotherhood rule in Egypt. Indeed, as Rosie Collington noted on World Outline recently, China greatly benefited from Morsi’s presidency, and had a lot invested in that relationship.

Morsi courted China aggressively in his attempt to solve the country’s fiscal woes and reduce U.S. influence in Egypt. To that end, he made China the destination of his first trip overseas after becoming president. He was hosted in Beijing by then President Hu Jintao, who declared at the time, “You chose China to be one of the first countries to visit after taking office. This shows that you attach great importance to Sino-Egyptian relations. I believe your visit to China will further boost our cooperation in all fields.”

True to his word, Hu signed no less than eight cooperative agreements with Morsi during the trip. Even before then, during the tumultuous year of 2011 in Cairo, Sino-Egyptian trade rose to US$8.8 billion, a 30 percent increase from 2010, according to Xinhua. Last year it rose to US$9.5 billion.

China has also been pouring investment into Egypt since 2011, at a time when other foreign investors have been fleeing the country. Earlier this year China’s ambassador to Egypt said that since his county’s investment in Egypt had increased some 60 percent since the end of Mubarak’s rule.

“The Chinese investments in Egypt over the past two years increased by about $200 million to exceed about $560 million in total,” Xinhua quoted the envoy as saying back in April. At the time, more investment was expected to be forthcoming.

Many of China’s investments were in the newly opened Rawash industrial and investment zone in Giza, Egypt near the Suez Canal. This is not surprising given Beijing’s obvious interest in securing access to the Suez Canal for commercial and military purposes. Like all modern emerging powers before it, China’s interest in the Suez Canal has grown commensurate with its general rise in the world.

It’s unclear how Morsi’s overthrow and the Egyptian military’s crackdown will impact China’s investments and geopolitical interests in Cairo. One concern, of course, is the Egypt will continue its downward spiral and possibly slip into a civil war. This would be the worst outcome from China’s perspective, hence why the Foreign Ministry statement emphasized the need to “restore order and social stability.”

Another possibility is that Morsi or at least the Muslim Brotherhood would return to power in short order without a civil conflict. This would be the best outcome for China, despite its failure to condemn the crackdown, but appears increasingly unlikely.

Finally, the Egyptian military could quickly restore order and maintain power, perhaps exercising it through civilian, non-Islamists leaders. China would hardly be enthusiastic about this prospect, given the possibility that the military would hold a grudge against Beijing for its eager embrace of Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood. Moreover, the Egyptian military is the institution in the country with the strongest ties to the United States. Thus, U.S. influence in Egypt is likely to be greatest under military rule (or indirect military rule).

That said, Chinese leaders are nothing if not pragmatic and will undoubtedly seek to work with the Egyptian military or whoever is in charge in Egypt. For that reason, with Egypt’s future so uncertain at the moment, China is choosing to dither while Cairo burns.

Why is China Dithering While Cairo Burns? | China Power | The Diplomat
 
Chinese mainly provided trade investments and jobs to Egypt, whichever any Egyptian Party or leader to govern future Egypt they all need China investment and factory building. Yes China also provided some military supports to Egypt military but much less than U.S's military aids.

Anyway BeiJing not like the White House, we r not Global Power so China not interested in foreign domestic politics, China respect their ppl's choice and keep good-relationship to continue our trades.
 
The worry of China is, the events in Egypt are same as "tiananmen square" events. The situation and the people's rebellion are looking quite similar to what happened in China.

I think china will give less coverage to what is happening in Egypt and try to rub its propaganda of how good authoritative regime is on Chinese people these days, as they are parroting in some African countries.

The real fear of China is, if a similar kind of uprising is done in China and PLA do not support CCP, then China will become weaker.
 
The worry of China is, the events in Egypt are same as "tiananmen square" events. The situation and the people's rebellion are looking quite similar to what happened in China.

I think china will give less coverage to what is happening in Egypt and try to rub its propaganda of how good authoritative regime is on Chinese people these days, as they are parroting in some African countries.

The real fear of China is, if a similar kind of uprising is done in China and PLA do not support CCP, then China will become weaker.
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The worry of China is, the events in Egypt are same as "tiananmen square" events. The situation and the people's rebellion are looking quite similar to what happened in China.

I think china will give less coverage to what is happening in Egypt and try to rub its propaganda of how good authoritative regime is on Chinese people these days, as they are parroting in some African countries.

The real fear of China is, if a similar kind of uprising is done in China and PLA do not support CCP, then China will become weaker.
Heh, most Chinese know not to rock their own boat these days. Condition in Egypt is fundamentally different than China, and trying to draw equivalence is laughable.
 
The worry of China is, the events in Egypt are same as "tiananmen square" events. The situation and the people's rebellion are looking quite similar to what happened in China.

I think china will give less coverage to what is happening in Egypt and try to rub its propaganda of how good authoritative regime is on Chinese people these days, as they are parroting in some African countries.

The real fear of China is, if a similar kind of uprising is done in China and PLA do not support CCP, then China will become weaker.

You really like wearing tin foil hats, don't you?

China's stance on Egypt is purely based on business relations, as exemplified by their willingness to talk with whoever is in power. Nowhere on the web did China try to glorify any authoritarian government. There is no real fear because the chances of a rebellion in a country whose stance is a hundredfold better than that of a certain neighboring country is about as much as that neighboring country successfully building a stealth fighter.

In short, please stop spamming this thread with your cold war stereotypes and lack of awareness.
 
China spending big money to avoid Arab spring fever – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

China's ruling Communist Party is looking within for threats to its control over the country, spending more money on securing its population of over one billion than it did on its military last year, according to a new report to the U.S. Congress.

Conflicts in the Middle East with the popular Arab Spring movement have done nothing to assuage the government's fears, according to the report from a Congressional advisory panel.

"The party has created an extensive police and surveillance network to monitor its citizens and react to any potential threat to stability," the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission stated in the report.

The 12-person expert panel, which was created in 2000 to advise Congress on the U.S. policy toward China, said when you add up spending on police, state security, armed militias, as well as courts and jails, China invested $83.5 billion in domestic security in 2010, surpassing their reported military budget of $81.2 billion. According to the report China's domestic security budget is going up, scheduled to grow faster than military spending in the years to come.

"China doesn't really perceive any external threat. It does recognize the possibility, but it's not imminent," said James Dobbins an analyst with the Rand Corporation.

Dobbins said China is more concerned about threats from within to its communist system, which has collapsed pretty much everywhere in the world but China.

"It has a huge population, a somewhat ethnically diverse population and a population with rising expectations that may not be entirely possible to meet in a difficult economic climate. They are rather worried about what will happen as their growth slows as most economists think it will," he said.

Protests have been on the rise in China, driven by socioeconomic issues like income inequality, corruption, pollution and inflation, according to the commission. Food prices for example are up 10 percent over the past year.

Fear that the turmoil in the Middle East would incite further unrest in its own population, the Chinese government has "expanded restrictions on online information and access to communication services, reported government propaganda in domestic news outlets, restricted the freedom of foreign journalists, and arrested dissidents with little or no cause," according to the report.

When protests began in Egypt in the beginning of the year Chinese searching the web could not complete keyword searches for terms like 'Egypt' or 'Cairo,' the commission said. The government also reported on the protests in a negative way. A front page editorial in the Beijing Daily cited the protests in the Middle East as bringing "nothing but chaos and misery to their countries".

But Internet restrictions and media propaganda aren't China's only means of exerting control. China is currently working to create the largest police surveillance system in the world in Chongqing, a major city in southwest China, the commission report noted. The over 500,000 cameras would be keeping a watchful eye over the cities half million intersections, neighborhoods, and parks - that's 400 square miles of surveillance, more than 25 percent larger than New York City.

More than 12 million cameras were installed in China this year and over 10 million cameras were put in place in 2010, according to IMS Research, a global electronics consulting firm. In comparison around 3.5 million security cameras were installed in the United States this year including the government and commercial sectors.

"We estimate that the Chinese market for video surveillance equipment (cameras and associated equipment such as lenses, monitors and video recorders) was worth around $2 billion in 2010. This estimate is only for equipment sales and does not include the cost of installing the equipment. If the installation cost is also included, the market is worth more than $3 billion," said IMS' Simon Harris.

"We estimate that the market has increased by more than 20% in 2011".

The company said that by the end of last year there were 800,000 security cameras in Liaoning Province in the northeast of China, over 400,000 in Beijing, 30,000 in Tianjin, and more than 200,000 in Shanghai.

Fear of a government overthrow isn't the only explanation for increased security spending in a growing population, said one China analyst.

"There are perfectly understandable reasons including unrest as to why spending for law enforcement would be going up in China," said Chinese security affairs analyst Scot Tanner. "Crime has been going up in China. It's not that surprising to me that money spent on local law enforcement and all of its aspects has been going up."

China however claims the numbers are misleading, stating the domestic security budget includes programs not commonly thought of as security.

"In government categories, China only has budgetary funds for necessary public security, which covers, for example, public health, public transportation and construction safety," an official of China's Ministry of Finance told Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency. The official was not identified in the story.

China aggregates the majority of its budget and does not provide a detailed breakdown of which programs get what. And it's not uncommon for China's budget documents to be only a little more than 20 lines in length, according to Chinese economy expert Nicholas Lardy with the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

"There is a whole cottage industry over the years that have tried to figure out what real Chinese defense expenditures are," he said

Those that have gone through the task he claims have found that real military expenditures are probably in the neighborhood of two to three times the amount of the disclosed expenditures.

Experts agree that its hard to do a sophisticated analysis on the opaque system because the published data is so highly aggregated.

"We don't know what the true number is," said China expert Jonathan Pollack. "It's the question of what are the budgetary categories that are covered under this catchall label of stability management."

But Pollack thinks it's implausible to think domestic security spending surpasses China's military budget.

"I am sure that they spend a lot on whatever this internal stability account is, but I have a hard time believing that it outstrips expenditures on national defense," he said. "If anybody told me that they knew how much it was, I would be skeptical."





You really like wearing tin hats, don't you?

China's stance on Egypt is purely based on business relations, as exemplified by their willingness to talk with whoever is in power. Nowhere on the web did China try to glorify any authoritarian government. There is no real fear because the chances of a rebellion in a country whose stance is a hundredfold better than that of a certain neighboring country is about as much as that neighboring country successfully building a stealth fighter.

In short, please stop spamming this thread with your cold war stereotypes and lack of awareness.

Lol at your ignorance the demands are met by GOI and the the constitution is being changed in favor of the protests, same cannot be said about china.

Chinese CCP only shows the images of police action to you But they won't show GOI meeting the protest demands.



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The worry of China is, the events in Egypt are same as "tiananmen square" events. The situation and the people's rebellion are looking quite similar to what happened in China.

I think china will give less coverage to what is happening in Egypt and try to rub its propaganda of how good authoritative regime is on Chinese people these days, as they are parroting in some African countries.

The real fear of China is, if a similar kind of uprising is done in China and PLA do not support CCP, then China will become weaker.

The two event is not even remotely close. Even since the found of PRC, China pretty much always has a non-interference stance on other country's domestic issue.
 
China spending big money to avoid Arab spring fever – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

China's ruling Communist Party is looking within for threats to its control over the country, spending more money on securing its population of over one billion than it did on its military last year, according to a new report to the U.S. Congress.

Conflicts in the Middle East with the popular Arab Spring movement have done nothing to assuage the government's fears, according to the report from a Congressional advisory panel.

"The party has created an extensive police and surveillance network to monitor its citizens and react to any potential threat to stability," the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission stated in the report.

The 12-person expert panel, which was created in 2000 to advise Congress on the U.S. policy toward China, said when you add up spending on police, state security, armed militias, as well as courts and jails, China invested $83.5 billion in domestic security in 2010, surpassing their reported military budget of $81.2 billion. According to the report China's domestic security budget is going up, scheduled to grow faster than military spending in the years to come.

Oh please, "maintaining internal security" is just another way saying police force.

Basically, "internal security" means stuff like prison, police force, court house, etc. For example, US spends 60.6 billion on internal security. China has 4 times the population of US and it certainly isn't poor; therefore, the amount of police spending is normal. The only that can be said about the fact is that the Chinese military budget is too low comparing to the likes of US.
 
So the article says U.S. is more willing to work with the Egyptian military while China preferred democratically elected president. Gee, I thought U.S. was the country that trumpeted democracy movements in the Middle East. Then why did Egypt bother about toppling Mubarak?

Anyway, Egyptians are not mature enough. They don't tolerate difference so they are not ready for democracy. I think this is also true in China. Many democracy-promoters in China will not hesitate to call anyone that disagree with them as "Wu Mao," "government paid propagandist," etc. since I myself have been called names by those democracy promoters or "gongzhi" in Sina weibo, lol. This is very similar to Egypt. Some people just think they are holier than others and their views are the best in the world while they don't realize they are also just as selfish as anyone else.

It's a long way to go for both the Middle East and China to fully realize true democracy and I prefer China's model to lift people out of poverty so people can be better educated and not worried about petty self interests.

Oh please, "maintaining internal security" is just another way saying police force.

Basically, "internal security" means stuff like prison, police force, court house, etc. For example, US spends 60.6 billion on internal security. China has 4 times the population of US and it certainly isn't poor; therefore, the amount of police spending is normal. The only that can be said about the fact is that the Chinese military budget is too low comparing to the likes of US.

Actually I think a lot of money was wasted on some "shangfang" or government office visitors. Nowadays too many selfish people are blackmailing the government by using social media. Rule of law is way too weak in China and the police is way too lenient on law breakers.

It's rather funny to see some people side with those blackmailers but didn't realize those people are wasting tax money and disrupting normal social structure.
 
China has policy of not interfere with other Nation's internal problem, that how we keep the relation last long, China-Pakistan is a good exemple and should be the model to the world, we will renew our relation to any gorvernments come into power

any other example and what you have done for Pakistan other than dumping your goods over there? Please let me know about the difference bw import and export ?
 
any other example and what you have done for Pakistan other than dumping your goods over there? Please let me know about the difference bw import and export ?

That was part of transaction...everything is driven by offer and demand. The diffrence between import and export is: one country import other export, one can't go without other.
 
any other example and what you have done for Pakistan other than dumping your goods over there? Please let me know about the difference bw import and export ?

I think China's investment approach works best for Pakistan and for other developing countries. An equal relationship is more healthy than a dependency relationship. Import and export are just normal business relationship that should be encouraged. China went through this phase when the West dumped its good on China while our workers made minimal money by sewing toys.

As our proverb says: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. This is why the West's aid to Africa will never lift Africa out of poverty. Rather, this carrot with stick approach is toxic and evil since the donee nations will forever depend on donor nations while donor nations can dictate donee nations' internal affairs with minimum efforts. Too bad, leaders in developing countries prefer cash aid so they can pocket themselves.

I am sure Pakistani people want a truly independent country with its own foreign policies, so I think investment led approach has long lasting effect on Pakistan.
 
That was part of transaction...everything is driven by offer and demand. The diffrence between import and export is: one country import other export, one can't go without other.

Don't play with words. I know quite well how business works. I simply asked about the difference as someone put it down about the friendship of China and Pakistan..Ain't is business only ?
 

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