Why is Chahbahar not burning?

[Pak Nationalist]

Any strategy designed to burn Chah Bahar would go against Chinese interests. China now has far greater shadow on Iran then India - witness the tens of billions dollar long term agreements signed between Iran and China. So fair play pissing the Chinese by burning Chah Bahar down.

On a more general level Iranian state is more effective at policing and keeping a iron grip on the population of the country. They have long experiance dealing with insurgents including Kurds and Baloch insurgencies.

Part of the reason is historical - Iranian state haas long history and is very unified/centralized going back to the Shah days. In addition the Iranian state is well funded with oil revenues.

This can be best seen how Iran pured it's Baloch province in 1970s under the Shah and then redeveloped the entire region whereas Pak Balochistan was left to it's own devices until recently.


It would be fun watching these Shia haters trying to explain to the Chinese after they burn Chah Bahar down - not that they could. Although if they could rope in their chums the Israeli's, UAE and Americans that might just be possible.

So, Gwadar has no significance for the Chinese? The western alignment of CPEC (shortest land route from Kashghar to Gwadar) has no significance to the Chinese? I think your argument is flawed. Does Iran care about Chinese interests in Pakistan? it undermines these so its own port infrastructure becomes more attractive to the Chinese and you are watching all that in silence. Is China good for only defense purchases or do you need investment, shifting of labor-intensive industry, transfer of technology from the emerging superpower of the world as well? Iran is even more isolated than Pakistan and even then it cares not for the interest of the only large-scale investor that is willing to invest in that country by attacking CPEC's Western alignment in particular and Gwadar in general. As for the iron grip on population is concerned, this might be true for Urban centers (even then we have seen repeated insurrections by the Iranian people against the mullah regime in the cities) but not the countryside. Particularly in Seestan Baluchestan where rebel groups kill and abduct not only Iranian border guards but IRGC personnel at will. Mossad is killing nuclear scientists in that country, your own intel is conducting operations against RAW directly there, as well as liquidating the rebel leaders Indo-Iranian alliance has stationed there for safekeeping and operational guidance. Much competence vis a vis policing state!

Pakistan is trying to develop its own Balochistan today and Iran is an impediment acting as not only a base of operations for Indian sponsored groups but using them to further its own objective of diverting Chinese attention to itself from Balochistan.

IVC was probably undone by the same self-defeatist, pacifist outlook of our ancestors who did not bother defending what was theirs and so others took it. People of this school of thought today want to present the other cheek to enemies of Pakistan as well. They would do all in their power to impress upon the Pakistani public (mainly due to their own sectarian affiliations) that the enemy of Pakistan's progress and peace is not its enemy, but a benevolent friend. it is time to recognize these folks amongst our midst. Loyalty to Pakistan cannot be shared regardless of one's ideological or religious belief. Pakistan is sacred, first and last.

How many of you warmongering morons are planning to move back to Pakistan and join the army? Let me guess, none!

Not every citizen must fight wars. It is the duty of informed citizens to become conduits of public pressure for the decision-makers in their state.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Pakistan is advocating for a joint regional effort to counter poverty and provide roadmap to realistic human development in region and beyond.

Iran should mediate between China and India through Chahbahar. Irans civilisational ties with Indo-China can save the region from war.

lol okay. No comment under this thread was as out of touch, but ok.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The world is dog eat dog we need oil fields and to further enhance our economy.. We have military might which means we can take what we want

Our military is like a big gental giant sleeping and snoring, only wakes up momentarily when some random passersby throw stones at it, and then back to sleep again.

I mean for god sake, are they binge drinking sattu these days in staff college?

 

[American Pakistani]

Because chabahar don't have bajwa.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Pakistani nation misses, A true warrior, ZIA UL HAQ was a lion of Pakistan may Allah grant him jannat firdaus

what you have now is a whiskey drinking slaves jostling for power. If they don’t bend over for USA it be someone else for power / monies

Zia UL Haq Mujahideen would over run these BLA Iranian proxies cockroaches in Iran itself.

Most of these keyboards warriors were probably not even born and seen Zia era. For us unfortunate ones, tasting glory, no non sense attitude towards enemy nations, dealing with them on their own soil, we were spoiled! Now its painful to see what we have been reduced to , having unspeakable power and tools of destruction at our disposal, which we didnt have back then.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Why Chahbar is not burning is something I can't tell, but whenever there is a thread about exposing Iran's doing in Pakistan, few certain members with and without titles try to laugh it out as its a non serious topic, or they blame the Arabs/ME, or they divert the topic into Jewish conspiracy Its definitely not strange right, And what's even more funny is that majority of them have Pakistani flags. If " Khate Pakistan ka aur wafadari Iran ki " had a face I bet it would be like these posters

If Pakistan goes into a active and open conflict with Iran, one good thing will surely come out of it, plenty of masks will come off.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Same.. I also want neutrality. And do not hope for another hot front but they are making it difficult to stay quiet.

You said "they don't mind another enemy".. but thats my point. Pakistan is not going to be just another enemy.

Iran is taking EXACTLY the same path Afghanistan went in its relations with Pakistan.

Our forefathers, our founding leaders, went to Afghans, cajoled them, sweet talked them, begging them to consider us their friends and not to harm us as we mean no harm to them. YET, they had this hallucination of grandeur, thought that our lands belong to them, to the point that we were left with no option but to say enough is enough. Rest is history.


In my humble opinion, we as a nation, 220 million strong, have come to the point of no return, where, we have to turn Iran into another Afghanistan, for our own survival.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Most of these keyboards warriors were probably not even born and seen Zia era. For us unfortunate ones, tasting glory, no non sense attitude towards enemy nations, dealing with them on their own soil, we were spoiled! Now its painful to see what we have been reduced to , having unspeakable power and tools of destruction at our disposal, which we didnt have back then.

Covert operations of ISI in that period were a sight worth seeing (understandable considering the type of funding that was going into the ISI; external as well as internal i.e. ISI's own revenue stream), however, on the conventional front, we lost Siachin and did not respond to that at time or place of our choosing. Contrast that with Rann of Kutch under Ayub.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Covert operations of ISI in that period were a sight worth seeing (understandable considering the type of funding that was going into the ISI; external as well as internal i.e. ISI's own revenue stream), however, on the conventional front, we lost Siachin and did not respond to that at time or place of our choosing. Contrast that with Rann of Kutch under Ayub.

Pakistan had swagger, even in small things like sports, we played with swagger. There was peace , stability, and infinite confidence in ourselves. It was all trickle down effect of Zia leadership. Guy acted like a typical high level anglo Saxon leader who will give impression that he is listening but will do and say what he think is right. Just listen to him:

Those who stepped in his shoes and have been carrying the baton, are embarrassment to the uniform. Expectations of patriotism have fallen to very low levels.

 

[MastanKhan]

1st i am not shia or irani, you can check my profile, i have posts even against iranis,
but i do not like wahabi propaganda everywhere,

Wow what a source you gave?
what is credibility of this site?
even author of article name is "Iftikhar Gilani", oh its a bull shit site, lol

OK, During and after Russian war Wahhabi Taliban were not killing shia by slaughtering and bombing?
And same cockroaches were not supported by Pakistan general mr. zia ul haq?
what response you think they give, even if this article is authentic?

In 1965 War:
Iran played an important role in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, providing Pakistan with nurses, medical supplies, and a gift of 5,000 tons of petroleum. Iran also indicated that it was considering an embargo on oil supplies to India for the duration of the armed conflict.[1] The Indian government firmly believed that Iran had blatantly favoured Pakistan and sought to undermine India during the war.[1] After the suspension of American military aid to Pakistan, Iran was reported to have purchased ninety F-86 Sabrejet fighter planes from West Germany, and subsequently delivered them to Pakistan.[1]

In 1971 War:
Iran again played a vital role for Pakistan in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, this time supplying military equipment as well as diplomatic support against India. The Shah described the Indian attack as blatant aggression and interference in Pakistan's domestic/internal affairs;[13] in an interview with a Parisian newspaper he openly acknowledged that "We are one hundred percent behind Pakistan".[13]

Iran's view on Kashmir issue​

On 19 November 2010, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appealed to Muslims worldwide to back the freedom struggle in Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir, equating the dispute with the ongoing conflicts of the Greater Middle East region.

Hi,

during 71 war---Iran military was waiting on the baluchistan border to tke over that region if india broke thru.

During Iran Iraq war---pakistan sent train load of weapons to iran---. Iran can't come close to how pakistan helped---.

Good shia pakistani biys wentto war for iran---thinking that it was a Holy war---not knowing still that it was just a war for REAL ESTATE and nothing holy about it.

 

[MastanKhan]

. Even I was against intervention in an Arab conflict and I learn now how wrong I was.

Hi,

You were not the exception---. Your problem was that you had not understood islamic history---or british history or any history---.
or even current status---this is not an insult.

Look at the US---bases all over the world---right next to the enemy.

Now go back and look at Pakistan---look at pakistan's history---or look at the history of the people living in the pakistani geographic area---.

They don't come from a breed of conquerers---always playing second fiddle to the conquerers---. It was not in the Pakistani blood to take charge of Yemen crisis.

Genetically pakistanis do not have expansiontist genes in them---but only of servitude---.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Pakistan had swagger, even in small things like sports, we played with swagger. There was peace , stability, and infinite confidence in ourselves. It was all trickle down effect of Zia leadership. Guy acted like a typical high level anglo Saxon leader who will give impression that he is listening but will do and say what he think is right. Just listen to him:

Those who stepped in his shoes and have been carrying the baton, are embarrassment to the uniform. Expectations of patriotism have fallen to very low levels.

nothing but incoherent babble mainly in that video but one needs objectivity, not unflinching devotion to realize that. I feel we are detracting from the subject matter of the post.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan had swagger, even in small things like sports, we played with swagger. There was peace , stability, and infinite confidence in ourselves. It was all trickle down effect of Zia leadership. Guy acted like a typical high level anglo Saxon leader who will give impression that he is listening but will do and say what he think is right. Just listen to him:

Those who stepped in his shoes and have been carrying the baton, are embarrassment to the uniform. Expectations of patriotism have fallen to very low levels.

Zia halted the operation in Baluchistan otherwise Bhutto had totally crushed them forever. That operation started from two sides of the border, Iran, and Pakistan. But, Zia stopped to gain political mileage. Now sons of the same elements are acting against the stae. The operation was started in 73 and Zia stopped in 78 and in 79 went to Afghanistan.

 

[khansaheeb]

replace Pakistan with Iran in your comment and i feel thats even more true. Iran isnt desperate, it might be desprate for certain specific things, but Iran rarely acts desperate, and to call Iran desperate means factually you dont even understand whats going on in Iran. where are the mass protests? why is the economy expanding? Oil exports to CHina are up big, last year Iran + venezuela sold China 342 million barrels of oil, oil today is almost $100, because of stupid US moves on Russia, so Iran will get richer this year, is now the regional energy hub, HELPING EVERYONE, INCLUDING PAKISTAN. so you're just trying to mask your hate and ignorance for Iran behind sounding smart.

Don't try to involve Pakistan in your Indian analysis. Iran is stable, so is Pakistan and both countries will increase their economic trade and live peacefully together.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Zia halted the operation in Baluchistan otherwise Bhutto had totally crushed them forever. That operation started from two sides of the border, Iran, and Pakistan. But, Zia stopped to gain political mileage. Now sons of the same elements are acting against the stae. The operation was started in 73 and Zia stopped in 78 and in 79 went to Afghanistan.

Precisely.