Why is Chahbahar not burning?

[Skywalker]

Why, can you not swallow the truth, stop chest thumping about the back stabber, these basturd Iranians needs a lesson, ask the sentiment's of jawans posted at Pak Iran border, its only their discipline which is stopping them to cross the border other they have had enough of Iranian bulshit. Its time to enter chahbahar. Chabahar needs to burn and this is the only way we can stop this. Keep your bulshit about Pak Iran friendship within yourself.

All the idiots laughing are actually laughing on the sacrifice of our sons, these idiots low lifes will never understand.

 

[313ghazi]

I don't think tit for tat is the way to go. I think ultimately @MastanKhan was right about Yemen and I was wrong. To support the Arab intervention might not be morally correct, but it would have been a good strategic move.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is also an indirect attack against Chinese interests, they are beneficiaries of Gwadar.

Pakistan must take the initiative and China should work together with us to create a decisive counter-strategy. It is only right to reciprocate with our own gift.

Any strategy designed to burn Chah Bahar would go against Chinese interests. China now has far greater shadow on Iran then India - witness the tens of billions dollar long term agreements signed between Iran and China. So fair play pissing the Chinese by burning Chah Bahar down.

On a more general level Iranian state is more effective at policing and keeping a iron grip on the population of the country. They have long experiance dealing with insurgents including Kurds and Baloch insurgencies.

Part of the reason is historical - Iranian state haas long history and is very unified/centralized going back to the Shah days. In addition the Iranian state is well funded with oil revenues.

This can be best seen how Iran pured it's Baloch province in 1970s under the Shah and then redeveloped the entire region whereas Pak Balochistan was left to it's own devices until recently.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

It would be fun watching these Shia haters trying to explain to the Chinese after they burn Chah Bahar down - not that they could. Although if they could rope in their chums the Israeli's, UAE and Americans that might just be possible.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Indus Pakistan

Kaptaan sb,

Nice to see you back.

A very wise person had once told me that Indians and Pakistanis should both be very wary of Iranians. They havent forgotten that the Indus was their Eastern frontier. You think he had a point?

Regards

 

[JackTheRipper]

This is a serious strategic concern. You have here a country that is hosting elements hostile to you. That is hosting intelligence assets of your mortal foe. That has Pakistani Shia fanatics on its payroll who snoop for it on Pakistani military installations. That has had its eye on Gwadar since it developed Bandr Abbas and has now with Indian largesse and technical expertise developed Chahbahar. We saw the hostility Iran extended towards Pakistan post the overthrow of the Kabul regime. That, in my view, was Iran creating casus belli. The surge in secessionist terrorism is a direct consequence of that. Now Iranians are pitching Chahbahar to the Chinese and that too using ANI (a veritable arm of Indian intelligence). The question is why should Pakistan not hit back at the joint Indo-Iranian concerns inside Iran when both these countries have teamed up to undermine the entire Western alignment of CPEC?


https://www.milligazette.com/news/7-analysis/333-how-iran-saved-india-in-1994-kashmir-un-voting/

Read this. If you have a shroud of loyalty towards the land you were born in, you would not de-track serious discussions with these typical Shia tropes (I adore Pakistani Shias as my brothers and sisters, but only those who are loyal to their home).

1st i am not shia or irani, you can check my profile, i have posts even against iranis,
but i do not like wahabi propaganda everywhere,

Wow what a source you gave?
what is credibility of this site?
even author of article name is "Iftikhar Gilani", oh its a bull shit site, lol

OK, During and after Russian war Wahhabi Taliban were not killing shia by slaughtering and bombing?
And same cockroaches were not supported by Pakistan general mr. zia ul haq?
what response you think they give, even if this article is authentic?

In 1965 War:
Iran played an important role in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, providing Pakistan with nurses, medical supplies, and a gift of 5,000 tons of petroleum. Iran also indicated that it was considering an embargo on oil supplies to India for the duration of the armed conflict.[1] The Indian government firmly believed that Iran had blatantly favoured Pakistan and sought to undermine India during the war.[1] After the suspension of American military aid to Pakistan, Iran was reported to have purchased ninety F-86 Sabrejet fighter planes from West Germany, and subsequently delivered them to Pakistan.[1]

In 1971 War:
Iran again played a vital role for Pakistan in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, this time supplying military equipment as well as diplomatic support against India. The Shah described the Indian attack as blatant aggression and interference in Pakistan's domestic/internal affairs;[13] in an interview with a Parisian newspaper he openly acknowledged that "We are one hundred percent behind Pakistan".[13]

Iran's view on Kashmir issue​

On 19 November 2010, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appealed to Muslims worldwide to back the freedom struggle in Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir, equating the dispute with the ongoing conflicts of the Greater Middle East region.

 

[Areesh]

Any strategy designed to burn Chah Bahar would go against Chinese interests. China now has far greater shadow on Iran then India - witness the tens of billions dollar long term agreements signed between Iran and China. So fair play pissing the Chinese by burning Chah Bahar down.

On a more general level Iranian state is more effective at policing and keeping a iron grip on the population of the country. They have long experiance dealing with insurgents including Kurds and Baloch insurgencies.

Part of the reason is historical - Iranian state haas long history and is very unified/centralized going back to the Shah days. In addition the Iranian state is well funded with oil revenues.

This can be best seen how Iran pured it's Baloch province in 1970s under the Shah and then redeveloped the entire region whereas Pak Balochistan was left to it's own devices until recently.


It would be fun watching these Shia haters trying to explain to the Chinese after they burn Chah Bahar down - not that they could. Although if they could rope in their chums the Israeli's, UAE and Americans that might just be possible.

Another Irani as$licker who hates Pakistan and Islam to the core is here guys

1st i am not shia or irani, you can check my profile, i have posts even against iranis

Sounds similar to those sanghis who say

"I don't support RSS. I don't agree with them. But Modi is a good leader who wants development"

We all have seen such "neutrals"

 

[Areesh]

1st i am not shia or irani, you can check my profile, i have posts even against iranis,
but i do not like wahabi propaganda everywhere,

Wow what a source you gave?
what is credibility of this site?

Jahil insan this event actually happened

Go search about how Iran saved India in UN on Kashmir issue

 

[TheSolution]

It would be fun watching these Shia haters trying to explain to the Chinese after they burn Chah Bahar down - not that they could. Although if they could rope in their chums the Israeli's, UAE and Americans that might just be possible.

"Shia haters"

You sound like a Zionist Jew

Mention anything about Israel's legitimacy, existence, treatment of Palestinians -- aNtI-sEmiTiSm

Mention anything about Iran's possible actions against Pakistan's national interests -- sHiA hAteRs

Stfu man, you might as well rename yourself Indus Iran

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan is advocating for a joint regional effort to counter poverty and provide roadmap to realistic human development in region and beyond.

Iran should mediate between China and India through Chahbahar. Irans civilisational ties with Indo-China can save the region from war.

 

[Brar]

How many of you warmongering morons are planning to move back to Pakistan and join the army? Let me guess, none!

 

[KaiserX]

1st i am not shia or irani, you can check my profile, i have posts even against iranis,
but i do not like wahabi propaganda everywhere,

Wow what a source you gave?
what is credibility of this site?
even author of article name is "Iftikhar Gilani", oh its a bull shit site, lol

OK, During and after Russian war Wahhabi Taliban were not killing shia by slaughtering and bombing?
And same cockroaches were not supported by Pakistan general mr. zia ul haq?
what response you think they give, even if this article is authentic?

In 1965 War:
Iran played an important role in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, providing Pakistan with nurses, medical supplies, and a gift of 5,000 tons of petroleum. Iran also indicated that it was considering an embargo on oil supplies to India for the duration of the armed conflict.[1] The Indian government firmly believed that Iran had blatantly favoured Pakistan and sought to undermine India during the war.[1] After the suspension of American military aid to Pakistan, Iran was reported to have purchased ninety F-86 Sabrejet fighter planes from West Germany, and subsequently delivered them to Pakistan.[1]

In 1971 War:
Iran again played a vital role for Pakistan in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, this time supplying military equipment as well as diplomatic support against India. The Shah described the Indian attack as blatant aggression and interference in Pakistan's domestic/internal affairs;[13] in an interview with a Parisian newspaper he openly acknowledged that "We are one hundred percent behind Pakistan".[13]

Iran's view on Kashmir issue​

On 19 November 2010, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appealed to Muslims worldwide to back the freedom struggle in Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir, equating the dispute with the ongoing conflicts of the Greater Middle East region.

Those were all during the times of the Shah who was very pro-pak.

The Shia Regime has been pro-indian.

 

[JackTheRipper]

Those were all during the times of the Shah who was very pro-pak.

The Shia Regime has been pro-indian.

​

Iran's view on Kashmir issue​

On 19 November 2010, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appealed to Muslims worldwide to back the freedom struggle in Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir, equating the dispute with the ongoing conflicts of the Greater Middle East region.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

@Indus Pakistan

Kaptaan sb,

Nice to see you back.

A very wise person had once told me that Indians and Pakistanis should both be very wary of Iranians. They havent forgotten that the Indus was their Eastern frontier. You think he had a point?

Regards

As per an American diplomat observation Iranians see both India and Pakistan as counterweights to eachothers

Throughout history there has been Iranian leadership concerns of South Asian invasion of Iran
which has happened twice in the past

Iranians are competitors with Pakistan for influence in the larger Islamic world as well neighboring Afghanistan

India has zero interest in middle east except energy security hence not of much concern to Iranians

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Don't project your own lack of intellect on ALL Pakistanis. I have lived in the gulf as well and I do not share your insecurities. Most Indians were average and at most at par with Pakistanis. Invest in honing your skills rather than indulging in self-pity. You can grow as a human being if you invest in yourself.

@HAIDER, I was serious. What you say about laborers is true. Our state has not invested in the quality of human resources it exports to GCC. However, the white color Pakistani workers in the GCC were mostly at par with if not better than the Indians. I came across many mediocre Indians in my dealings on a daily basis when I lived in GCC. You should not feel this way. This is how defeated people and mental slaves think. You are a Pakistani. Invest in yourself. Improve yourself. You would find that you could be better than these folks. I am going on a tangent here, but do not take offense from my advice. It was a piece of advice, nothing else.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

1st i am not shia or irani, you can check my profile, i have posts even against iranis,
but i do not like wahabi propaganda everywhere,

Wow what a source you gave?
what is credibility of this site?
even author of article name is "Iftikhar Gilani", oh its a bull shit site, lol

OK, During and after Russian war Wahhabi Taliban were not killing shia by slaughtering and bombing?
And same cockroaches were not supported by Pakistan general mr. zia ul haq?
what response you think they give, even if this article is authentic?

In 1965 War:
Iran played an important role in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, providing Pakistan with nurses, medical supplies, and a gift of 5,000 tons of petroleum. Iran also indicated that it was considering an embargo on oil supplies to India for the duration of the armed conflict.[1] The Indian government firmly believed that Iran had blatantly favoured Pakistan and sought to undermine India during the war.[1] After the suspension of American military aid to Pakistan, Iran was reported to have purchased ninety F-86 Sabrejet fighter planes from West Germany, and subsequently delivered them to Pakistan.[1]

In 1971 War:
Iran again played a vital role for Pakistan in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, this time supplying military equipment as well as diplomatic support against India. The Shah described the Indian attack as blatant aggression and interference in Pakistan's domestic/internal affairs;[13] in an interview with a Parisian newspaper he openly acknowledged that "We are one hundred percent behind Pakistan".[13]

Iran's view on Kashmir issue​

On 19 November 2010, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appealed to Muslims worldwide to back the freedom struggle in Muslim-majority Jammu and Kashmir, equating the dispute with the ongoing conflicts of the Greater Middle East region.

You are stuck in the past. The Iran of Shah was a secular state and a friend to Pakistan (one of the first countries to have recognized Pakistan after independence). The Iran of Ayatollahs is an ideological Islamist state that aims to export its influence and ideology outside its borders. You cannot cite Iranian support to Pakistan from the times of Shah and use that to call the current regime in Iran to be a friend of Pakistan. Khomeini can keep on doing all the lip service he likes but his state was the one that prevented India from getting isolated and sanctioned in the early '90s when its economy was nearing bankruptcy. If you do not like this link, let me produce others so you can't deny historical realities. Do tell me if you have an issue with the Anadolu news agency of turkey as well. The writer is the same (he's Anadolu's correspondence). Our indifference towards the Yemen crisis where a legitimate government was overthrown by Houthi rebels created a void between us and our GCC allies which were exploited by India fully. Do not expect the same level of historical support from Khaleeji Arabs when you cannot stand with them in their time of need. Moreover, are you citing the same Khamenei whose state is hosting the very intelligence infrastructure that perpetuates barbarity in the occupied Jammu and Kashmir? Critical thinking is a skill that has to be learned, it is not innate to human nature. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/analysis/o...n-s-1994-somersault-on-kashmir-at-oic/1730770

I don't think tit for tat is the way to go. I think ultimately @MastanKhan was right about Yemen and I was wrong. To support the Arab intervention might not be morally correct, but it would have been a good strategic move.

Morality has nothing to do with statecraft (real politik). If you derive your morality from international law, even then supporting a legitimate government of Yemen against rebels if it asked for assistance would have been "morally justifiable". Then again, we have the benefit of hindsight while making these observations now. Even I was against intervention in an Arab conflict and I learn now how wrong I was.