Why is Chahbahar not burning?

[Pak Nationalist]

Point is the state of Pakistan is very weak. From universities to madrasaas to political parties to corrupt bureaucracy, nothing is being effectively monitored by the intelligence community. Pakistani state power is unable to deal with security challenges and its elite is clueless.

Elite is clueless? I would posit that not only the elite but the masses have been kept clueless/ignorant to incompetence. Asif Ghafoor's "musbat reporting" directive for the broadcast media is persisting. Nobody even opens their beak without ISPR's express permission. Everyone on Twitter knew what had happened in Kech just a week ago. The media began reporting after ISPR issued a statement (permitted media to report). The thing is when you prohibit/censor avenues of information dissemination for the public, how the hell would your public even know about what is happening in the country? Would it not be preoccupied with PSL? How then could the public then build pressure on the government services responsible for defeating the designs of enemy when they fail persistently?

 

[kingQamaR]

Correct me if I am wrong, did we not lose the entire Siachin glacier to India under this "Azeem mujahid"?

We gave lost Kargil of mushraf and nawaz weaks

Zia gave you a free Afghanistan of no ussr communist threats of invasion to us and a successful nukes. Glacier was intelligent failure not his bad planning of disturbing in there

 

[Humble Analyst]

We should create dangerous predicament in ME by staking bigger share of the cake we need oil fields hence create progroms in iraq and invade with arab coalition grab the oil and make deals with US to transfer the OIL fields in east of euphrates to Pakistan army..

Nobody could do anything but complain....
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The world is dog eat dog we need oil fields and to further enhance our economy.. We have military might which means we can take what we want

No one will let pakistan take anything we will be lucky to defend pakistan

 

[Pak Nationalist]

I have asked this question on this forum and elsewhere repeatedly, why is Chahbahar not burning? It is a well-known fact that Iran is hosting BLF militants and their leadership (not to say they do not have a mass presence in Balochistan too). Indian presence in Iran much like Afghanistan in times of foreign presence is not a secret anymore either with the capture of Yadav. India is investing heavily in Chahbahar to gain access to Central Asia at some point in the future and this is not a distant dream. It has deep pockets, it can achieve this with time. CPEC and Gwadar port development on the other hand are both at odds with Indian/Iranian interests. Since the fall of Kabul, Iran has become a rallying point for those militants (and militant leaders) who had to be repatriated from Afghanistan. In light of these developments, what are we waiting for? Why are we not actively undermining Chahbahar port and making the region unstable so as to respond in kind to Indo-Iranian machinations? In the hindsight, (I was one of the people who hailed neutrality in the Yemen conflict) even our neutrality in the Yemen conflict created a gulf between us and our traditional Khaleeji Arab allies. The void created was exploited by India there too. On the one hand, we were unable to secure Iranian cooperation, on the other, we also angered our traditional Arab allies. It is time for some serious strategic reorientation on all these fronts.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488958601888686082

Listen to this smug SOB. The road to Gwadar is not secure. We have security. Advising China to use Chahbahar too. Also, do note who he is speaking with. ANI is the veritable arm of Indian intelligence.

 

[Silverblaze]

Correct me if I am wrong, did we not lose the entire Siachin glacier to India under this "Azeem mujahid"?

And held a referendum few months after that to declare himself winner. Same with Musharraf. The intelligence does wonders for them in forming political parties and referendums, but when it comes to cleaning up corrupts and documenting economy and making an air tight border oh no.

Some people love zia and some musharraf this shows we are a nation that is desperately searching for heroes.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

We gave lost Kargil of mushraf and nawaz weaks

Zia gave you a free Afghanistan of no ussr communist threats of invasion to us and a successful nukes. Glacier was intelligent failure not his bad planning of disturbing in there

With the backing of a superpower and at the back of Afghans. Regardless, we lost a huge piece of territory that was more accessible to us than the Indians under him. Mixed record, in short. Anyways, let's not go on tangents.

 

[Silverblaze]

Elite is clueless? I would posit that not only the elite but the masses have been kept clueless/ignorant to incompetence. Asif Ghafoor's "musbat reporting" directive for the broadcast media is persisting. Nobody even opens their beak without ISPR's express permission. Everyone on Twitter knew what had happened in Kech just a week ago. The media began reporting after ISPR issued a statement (permitted media to report). The thing is when you prohibit/censor avenues of information dissemination for the public, how the hell would your public even know about what is happening in the country? Would it not be preoccupied with PSL? How then could the public then build pressure on the government services responsible for defeating the designs of enemy when they fail persistently?

Being clueless means first making a big deal out of geo economics and then releasing a redundant national security policy which does not even mention corrupt practices, judicial or bureaucratic reforms etc.

Casualties are unacceptable now.

 

[SIPRA]

No need to extend the conflict, to Iran. Pakistan's kitty is already more than full.

 

[cloud4000]

This is so funny. For years Pakistan has been blaming India for all its ills, never suspecting that other parties might be responsible. Iran has long been overlooked. It shares not only a border with Baluchistan, but Afghanistan as well. It's possible that Iran is giving TTP oxygen in Afghanistan and has been for some time.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Being clueless means first making a big deal out of geo economics and then releasing a redundant national security policy which does not even mention corrupt practices, judicial or bureaucratic reforms etc.

Casualties are unacceptable now.

Pivot towards geoeconomics is a pipedream with nearly 50% of the country having no law and order. Perhaps a jolt would be given once these elements spread violence to large cities of Punjab. However, I am not completely sure that would happen, as their agenda is to prevent China from becoming a stakeholder in Pakistan. This is to curtail China from developing a response to its Malaca strait conundrum.

This is so funny. For years Pakistan has been blaming India for all its ills, never suspecting that other parties might be responsible. Iran has long been overlooked. It shares not only a border with Baluchistan, but Afghanistan as well. It's possible that Iran is giving TTP oxygen in Afghanistan and has been for some time.

Indo-Iran nexus is not a new development. Pakistan has made official statements about where Jadhav was based/operating from. It is time to hit joint Indo-Iranian interests inside Iran. Chahbahar should be our prime target. Seestan is one of Iran's many faultlines.

No need to extend the conflict, to Iran. Pakistan's kitty is already full.

Extend conflict? They are already a party/source of conflict in your country.

 

[HAIDER]

I have asked this question on this forum and elsewhere repeatedly, why is Chahbahar not burning? It is a well-known fact that Iran is hosting BLF militants and their leadership (not to say they do not have a mass presence in Balochistan too). Indian presence in Iran much like Afghanistan in times of foreign presence is not a secret anymore either with the capture of Yadav. India is investing heavily in Chahbahar to gain access to Central Asia at some point in the future and this is not a distant dream. It has deep pockets, it can achieve this with time. CPEC and Gwadar port development on the other hand are both at odds with Indian/Iranian interests. Since the fall of Kabul, Iran has become a rallying point for those militants (and militant leaders) who had to be repatriated from Afghanistan. In light of these developments, what are we waiting for? Why are we not actively undermining Chahbahar port and making the region unstable so as to respond in kind to Indo-Iranian machinations? In the hindsight, (I was one of the people who hailed neutrality in the Yemen conflict) even our neutrality in the Yemen conflict created a gulf between us and our traditional Khaleeji Arab allies. The void created was exploited by India there too. On the one hand, we were unable to secure Iranian cooperation, on the other, we also angered our traditional Arab allies. It is time for some serious strategic reorientation on all these fronts.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1488958601888686082

Pak has no traditional or non traditional ally. No one support us on Kashmir cause, water is lifeline. Or traditional allies already offered India OIC membership.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Pak has no traditional or non traditional ally. No one support us on Kashmir cause, water is lifeline. Or traditional allies already offered India OIC membership.

Gulf was our traditional ally. We gave India an opening ourselves.

 

[HAIDER]

Gulf was our traditional ally. We gave India an opening ourselves.

No, I am surprise you live in US and you are underestimating Indians. I worked with Indian, whatever hate we have , but they are smart and much more educated then Pakistani. That is the reason, they are all over GCC. Pakistani are only good for labor, Indians have full control of all GCC royal palaces, they are the one who brought in Israel closer to these Arabs.
Plus, the above clip you posted , its only someone opinion, I thought it is some kind of headline news. Plus, this region has long history of unrest, full war from 1973 to 1978. Where thousands of Baluch been killed during operation on both side of border.
Plus , soon Baluch nationalist having conference in Washington ,you can ask them question, they are nice calm people.

 

[Zarvan]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

He is raising the right point. Entire BLA and BRA have Iranian and RAW backing and until we start striking back only our soldiers and people will keep dying.

 

[KrimesKaster]

Two words : Political Will.