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Quite frankly, I have never given a f*ck about what Pakistanis (or south Asians in general) think anyway. I have never had any interest in southern Asian cultures, be it Pakistani or Indian. That sentiment is shared by like nearly all Iranians. We are interested in Western cultures, or oriental cultures like China, Japan and Korea, and even regionally, we still prefer Turks, Kurds and Arabs to Southern Asians. I personally cannot remember the last time I read about anything related to Pakistan in Iranian social media or newspapers. It must've been years ago.

I had long suspected that you guys had been systematically raised to hate Iran (except for a minority that is linked to Iran either through Shiite Islam or cultural links).

Your country has been known internationally to be a safe haven for terrorists. Your country was officially and publicly bombed by the USA for fighting global terrorism. Your citizens participated as Saudi cannon fodders to attack the Twin towers, destabilizing the Middle East for decades after 9/11. They attacked your territory and killed Bin Laden in your soil. The operation was broadcast on all international news channels. You have been hosting numerous Baluch separatist groups against Iran in your territory since late 1990s. You trained them to fight in Iran in Wahhabi madrassas and armed them for over a decade. Even your people here took pride in the actions of Jundullah and other radical Islamic groups and separatists and boast about reviving such groups.

You guys keep moaning about why Pakistani mainstream media do not mention Iran directly. Maybe because they do not have proofs that Iran is supporting Baluch separatism in Pakistan? There is no evidence beyond social media speculation that Iran is supporting Baluch separatist groups in Pakistan. And out of all things that we can do against Pakistan, supporting Baluch insurgency is perhaps the least likely option.
Ironic, since it's you whining about what you have "realised" about Pakistanis, and what they believe, think and how they have been raised "systematically" to "hate" Iranians...

And again, apart from certain select groups in Pakistani society, no one really cares about what Iranians think... not in a negative way, you just don't cross our minds, so it makes no difference to me what you have heard or seen, or what cultures you are interested in, have fun with those western cultures, etc, lmao.

Regarding your rant, there's a lot I could get into about certain airliners, scientisits, military officials but I'll leave it out.

The Pakistani side has co-operated with the Iranian side multiple times and even handed over terrorists.

Just an example: https://www.dawn.com/news/307513/four-jundallah-men-handed-over-to-iran

And my people here have only taken "pride" in said actions on the assumptions of your involvement within Pakistan, not because they were miraculously born hating you. Most Pakistanis here are nationalists, meaning they only care about national interests, not foolish sectarian or religious divide. They hold this belief on the assumption mentioned earlier.

And the reason why they don't mention Iran directly is very unlikely due to proof, we have called out India numerous times, sometimes without proof. It is likely more to do with certain groups within Pakistan.

Why you believe these bs media? We in iran like pakistan and haven't any problem with pakistan.
How do you feel towards Turks, Kurds and Arabs?
 
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Ironic, since it's you whining about what you have "realised" about Pakistanis, and what they believe, think and how they have been raised "systematically" to "hate" Iranians...

And again, apart from certain select groups in Pakistani society, no one really cares about what Iranians think... so it makes no difference to me what you have heard or seen, or what cultures you are interested in, have fun with those western cultures, etc, lmao.

Regarding your rant, there's a lot I could get into about certain airliners, scientisits, military officials but I'll leave it out.

The Pakistani side has co-operated with the Iranian side multiple times and even handed over terrorists.

Just an example: https://www.dawn.com/news/307513/four-jundallah-men-handed-over-to-iran

And my people here have only taken "pride" in said actions on the assumptions of your involvement within Pakistan, not because they were miraculously born hating you. Most Pakistanis here are nationalists, meaning they only care about national interests, not foolish sectarian or religious divide. They hold this belief on the assumption mentioned earlier.

And the reason why they don't mention Iran directly is very unlikely due to proof, we have called out India numerous times, sometimes without proof. It is likely more to do with certain groups within Pakistan.
When your people say things like Iranians are snakes, they are fitna, they are devising plans to destroy all Sunni countries, they created Shiite Islam to promote their own agenda, blah blah blah, do you seriously think that there isn't a religious undertone to all of this nonsense? Do you think this sort of discussion is "liberal" and "secular"? How many times did your people bring up sectarianism in this thread?

Let's assume that Iran is behind Baluch separatism in Pakistan, which is ridiculous on so many levels that I cannot comprehend why it's even brought up, but let it be. First of all, your country has done it before and you people have already acknowledge it here many times. Isn't it kind of hypocritical to point fingers at another country for something you have already done to them before? I mean you did it first and now you are upset that you are given a taste of your own medicine? Secondly, what is Iran's end game in this? What does Iran gain from it?

Last but not least, I have seen people believe social media content only when they are negatively related to Iran. I mean just a few days ago, some high ranking separatists related to recent terrorist attacks in Pakistan were gunned down by unknown men in Iran. Why don't you assume that it is in fact Iran trying to help you fight them?

You choose to interpret things in the way it fits your agenda. And your agenda (I mean Pakistanis, not you as a person) is anti-Iranian with sectarian undertone. You people are literally complaining that the Pakistani mainstream media do not spread your biased sectarian hatred towards Iran without proper evidence. Could you guys get any more biased? lol
 
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Ironic, since it's you whining about what you have "realised" about Pakistanis, and what they believe, think and how they have been raised "systematically" to "hate" Iranians...
And again, apart from certain select groups in Pakistani society, no one really cares about what Iranians think... not in a negative way, you just don't cross our minds, so it makes no difference to me what you have heard or seen, or what cultures you are interested in, have fun with those western cultures, etc, lmao.

Regarding your rant, there's a lot I could get into about certain airliners, scientisits, military officials but I'll leave it out.

The Pakistani side has co-operated with the Iranian side multiple times and even handed over terrorists.

Just an example: https://www.dawn.com/news/307513/four-jundallah-men-handed-over-to-iran

And my people here have only taken "pride" in said actions on the assumptions of your involvement within Pakistan, not because they were miraculously born hating you. Most Pakistanis here are nationalists, meaning they only care about national interests, not foolish sectarian or religious divide. They hold this belief on the assumption mentioned earlier.

And the reason why they don't mention Iran directly is very unlikely due to proof, we have called out India numerous times, sometimes without proof. It is likely more to do with certain groups within Pakistan.


How do you feel towards Turks, Kurds and Arabs?
"systematically" hate Iran, lol
no one even talks about Iran in Pak, it doesn't even cross our minds lol
how you gonna hate something you don't care about?
 
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You hate sunnis like a typical mullah bootlicker and you hate anyone who isn't a secular liberal sellout like a typical expat Iranian you got all the worst from both sides 🤣🤣. You should refrain from going on blatantly racist and anti-sectarian ramblings whilst in the middle of complaining about experiencing racism and sectarianism you clown you just wished death on all non Shia and non Liberal Pakistanis then called us losers for centuries (bold claim for a country that has it's nuclear scientists assassinated by enemy robots in their own capital city in broad daylight, to a country that achieved and perfected nuclear deterrence at least 30 years before you.). Watch your tongue calling us losers. Your country in 200 years went from global empire to having limitless oil that it cannot even sell to help its people. The muslims of the Indian subcontinent in 200 years went from literal slaves of the British with very little right to autonomy and even to keeping their wealth, to what we are today alhamdulillah. And don't talk to me about sanctions it's not like we haven't ruffled plenty of superpower feathers on the way to that, achieving both a nuclear weapons program and covertly supporting 2 different SUCCESSFUL covert insurgencies in our neighbourhood against 2 different superpowers (Mujahideen against Soviets, major elements of IEA against America). Iran has tried and failed both. Who could be a bigger loser than someone blessed with vast resources, stability, education, ethnic and sectarian homogeneity, geographic protection and still stagnating at a fraction of its potential because they cannot make use of most of it. We are working hard at achieving most of these things while you were given all of them and your country is a shadow of it's past.

Recent pakistani attention towards Iran has absolutely nothing to do with race or sectarianism you mindless cockroach we don't have time to think of such things, it's just your paranoia complex after managing to become enemies with everyone from your neighborhood that isn't Shia which is again ironic given you accuse us of sectarianism. Afghanistan is a sunni nation that shares ethnicity with a quarter of our country, at certain points in time some elements of it undoubtedly acted as proxies of the Pakistani State. And yet look around the forum; after every attack suspected to be based in Afghanistan regardless of whether by BLA or TTP, the reaction from us "uneducated, poor, shia and persian hating Pakistanis" was the same. On here even former cheerleaders of the 2021 Takeover of Kabul unequivocally demand answers from and action against the IEA regime even knowing that Afghanistan has much weaker ability to surveil and pursue intelligence leads on its soil than Iran does. So your little self-important and characteristically Persian arrogance in thinking we hate you just because we demand answers for our soldiers deaths as we do with Afghanistan is a comedy to read.

Iranians only come in ultra liberal atheist expat version or ultra-radical Mullah regime mouthpiece version you'll never find an Iranian in between that's the funny thing and that's proof of their emotional, extremist/reactionary driven ideals which you accuse us of. They're pretty bad but Pakistanis ideals aren't anywhere near as uniform, polarized and imitated as that. Your people on this forum and elsewhere are blatantly racist and prone to hostility against other sects and I dare you to deny that. You think we hate you for race because you project your own insecurities outwards its extremely well known around the world what Persians think about other races. You call us sectarian extremists but Iran and Iranians fancy themselves to be saviors of the beleaguered Shia sect and fund destabilization and destruction everywhere they can possibly find a Shia population large enough. Your links to the now defeated Panjshiris and other groups in Afghanistan were the latest to be exposed and destroyed. Pakistanis have been betrayed by both Sunni and Shia, blood and stranger. We, especially on this forum, have no delusions about the nature of the threats against us and whether it's some big shia conspiracy or something believe me I'm not sure what you think you are but no one takes you that seriously nor are we even close to afraid of you in that way. If Iran is our rival it is because of competition over Gwadar and BRI, and our ties to The Saudi camp.
Dude, you're ignoring the influence of the British (and the Russians). The only reason that your country exists now and Iran is no longer a global power is because the British entered Southern Asia and changed the balance of power drastically. Have you forgotten the Bangladesh War of Independence? Iran was fighting with three empires all around it for like centuries: the Tsarist Russia, the British empire and the Ottoman empire. We didn't lose our global power status for like nothing and your country has not been doing really well since cessation from the British Raj. Has it? But that's not the point now.

I told you why I think there's a religious undertone to all of this. Here's my full response to why it is all sectarian:

When your people say things like Iranians are snakes, they are fitna, they are devising plans to destroy all Sunni countries, they created Shiite Islam to promote their own agenda, blah blah blah, do you seriously think that there isn't a religious undertone to all of this nonsense? Do you think this sort of discussion is "liberal" and "secular"? How many times did your people bring up sectarianism in this thread?

Let's assume that Iran is behind Baluch separatism in Pakistan, which is ridiculous on so many levels that I cannot comprehend why it's even brought up, but let it be. First of all, your country has done it before and you people have already acknowledge it here many times. Isn't it kind of hypocritical to point fingers at another country for something you have already done to them before? I mean you did it first and now you are upset that you are given a taste of your own medicine? Secondly, what is Iran's end game in this? What does Iran gain from it?

Last but not least, I have seen people believe social media content only when they are negatively related to Iran. I mean just a few days ago, some high ranking separatists related to recent terrorist attacks in Pakistan were gunned down by unknown men in Iran. Why don't you assume that it is in fact Iran trying to help you fight them?

You choose to interpret things in the way it fits your agenda. And your agenda (I mean Pakistanis, not you as a person) is anti-Iranian with sectarian undertone. You people are literally complaining that the Pakistani mainstream media do not spread your biased sectarian hatred towards Iran without proper evidence. Could you guys get any more biased? lol
 
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When your people say things like Iranians are snakes, they are fitna, they are devising plans to destroy all Sunni countries, they created Shiite Islam to promote their own agenda, blah blah blah, do you seriously think that there isn't a religious undertone to all of this nonsense? Do you think this sort of discussion is "liberal" and "secular"? How many times did your people bring up sectarianism in this thread?
These statements are coming after the assumption of your involvement, I would agree with you if they were simply hating on Iran for no reason at all using religious undertones. You don't need to be religious to believe those things, but it can provide a confirmation bias to already existing shia-sunni conflict that can lead you to believe it is perhaps true. Someone may be secular and liberal but it doesn't negate the ongoing religious conflicts in the world, and this situation may provide a confirmation bias to said theories/beliefs.

Also I did say most, there is no doubt some religiously fuelled sentiment exists here, even before this whole debacle, both pro, and anti-Iran.
Let's assume that Iran is behind Baluch separatism in Pakistan, which is ridiculous on so many levels that I cannot comprehend why it's even brought up, but let it be. First of all, your country has done it before and you people have already acknowledge it here many times. Isn't it kind of hypocritical to point fingers at another country for something you have already done to them before? I mean you did it first and now you are upset that you are given a taste of your own medicine? Secondly, what is Iran's end game in this? What does Iran gain from it?
The only thing acknowledged is that we helped dismantle the proxies and handed terrorists over to you, which people are regretting. The clue is in the name regarding what Iran has to gain from it by the way, it was even supplemented with a video from one of your officials talking about it.

Last but not least, I have seen people believe social media content only when they are negatively related to Iran. I mean just a few days ago, some high ranking separatists related to recent terrorist attacks in Pakistan were gunned down by unknown men in Iran. Why don't you assume that it is in fact Iran trying to help you fight them?

You choose to interpret things in the way it fits your agenda. And your agenda (I mean Pakistanis, not you as a person) is anti-Iranian with sectarian undertone. You people are literally complaining that the Pakistani mainstream media do not spread your biased sectarian hatred towards Iran without proper evidence. Could you guys get any more biased? lol
Why would you need to do low-key assassinations against terrorists in your own country? Is there something I am missing here?

You could publicly make it known that your security forces carried out an operation against a known terrorist. Instead some unknown man in casual non-military clothing is carrying it out. Was this even mentioned or owned by your forces in Iranian news?

It does not sound plausible that it's the Iranian state behind it, at all.


Please tell me what you would interpret from said activities:

-An Iranian official publicly making statements about the instabitlity and safety concerns in Gwadar port, and telling the world to use Chahbahar instead. Keeping in mind they serve very similar purposes, with the access they provide to Central Asia.

-Iranian intelligence links being found within Pakistan, at street level and at governmental level, laundering money and funding "groups".

-BLA terrorist attacks frequency increasing at an alarming rate, and much more organised and well equipped.


These people with hidden agendas against Iran may be getting really lucky then considering the current circumstances that they can effectively display their hatred. Or perhaps it is a very likely and possible reality here?
 
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How do you feel towards Turks, Kurds and Arabs?
We ignore turks. Most of them are racist and think they are very powerful also they are not muslim anymore...
Kurds are iranic people but some of them hate iran and we hate them too. Iranian kurds are very pure and good people and we like them.
Most of arab countries are slave of America and Israel and some of them are wahhabi terrorists. But also some of arabs are real heroes for example people of yemen.
In iran we don't hate other but if anyone hate us we will respond them very hard
 
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THen why are Pakistanis on PDF creating so many anti-Iran threads????? reality in PDF proves your comments to be false and bogus.
Why would you not create threads related to Pakistan on PDF?

Even the originial post in this thread is your official talking about Gwadar and Balochistan.
The other threads are regarding your intelligence agencies involvement in Pakistan.
 
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Iran was hosting Kulbhosan Yadav, the guy made so many trips from Iran to Pakistan. Iran is working
with India to destabilise Balouchistan.
 
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We ignore turks. Most of them are racist and think they are very powerful also they are not muslim anymore...
Kurds are iranic people but some of them hate iran and we hate them too. Iranian kurds are very pure and good people and we like them.
Most of arab countries are slave of America and Israel and some of them are wahhabi terrorists. But also some of arabs are real heroes for example people of yemen.
In iran we don't hate other but if anyone hate us we will respond them very hard
Nice, thanks for the information.

We are interested in Western cultures, or oriental cultures like China, Japan and Korea, and even regionally, we still prefer Turks, Kurds and Arabs to Southern Asians. I personally cannot remember the last time I read about anything related to Pakistan in Iranian social media or newspapers. It must've been years ago.
According to your countryman up top, you seem to have a disliking and hatred to those stated above. If you prefer them over "Southern Asians" why are you moaning about the supposed "systematic" hatred and dislike of Iranians by Pakistanis, especially when you have admitted to such a thing yourself?

Do you expect love in reciprocation of your hatred?

In fact I would encourage such a thing, you shouldn't have a liking towards those that hate you, it makes you weak, you should be aware of such hatred.
 
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Because Baloch in Iran are just as poor, geographically isolated, separate/marginalized from national identity as Baloch in Pakistan they have every reason to fight Iran but they don't (Baloch don't give a sh1t about "iranic roots" for the next larper with a profile pic of Cyrus the Great who will try to correct me, they don't consider themselves part of Persian identity whatsoever) and it doesn't make sense to us why we are bearing 97% of the casualties from this war Iranians claim we are both fighting against the same enemy. 4992 Casualties since 1977 compared to Iran's total 164 doesn't sound like an organic ethnoseperatist insurgency to me

Because Baloch in Iran are just as poor, geographically isolated, separate/marginalized from national identity as Baloch in Pakistan they have every reason to fight Iran but they don't (Baloch don't give a sh1t about "iranic roots" for the next larper with a profile pic of Cyrus the Great who will try to correct me, they don't consider themselves part of Persian identity whatsoever) and it doesn't make sense to us why we are bearing 97% of the casualties from this war Iranians claim we are both fighting against the same enemy. 4992 Casualties since 1977 compared to Iran's total 164 doesn't sound like an organic ethnoseperatist insurgency to me
Baluchs are iranic people. Their language is so close to persian. In iran we love all iranian people and dont have any tension between shia and sunni or persian and Baluchs. Also baluchistan in iran is very very very good place with good Infrastructure to compare with baluchistan in pakistan. This is difference between iran and pakistan.
 
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And this dumb f religious crap, dude islamist historically and even on this forum are, have, will continue to like Iran just because they are
Pure bs.
Islamists have been most anti Iran then anyone in Pakistan. Their the ones who wanted their Sunni brothers in Iran to be liberated and have sacrificed their lives for their liberation many times.

Anything literally anything happens you blame Islamists.
Pure ignorance because you can’t even tell the difference between Shia vs Sunni or different fiqh a or different aqeedahs. For “liberals” and “seculars” like you, anything that goes wrong in the world it’s Islamists.
 
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Nice, thanks for the information.


According to your countryman up top, you seem to have a disliking and hatred to those stated above. If you prefer them over "Southern Asians" why are you moaning about the supposed "systematic" hatred and dislike of Iranians by Pakistanis, especially when you have admitted to such a thing yourself?

Do you expect love in reciprocation of your hatred?

In fact I would encourage such a thing, you shouldn't have a liking towards those that hate you, it makes you weak, you should be aware of such hatred.
We don't hate Pakistan. Every time i hear name of your country(land of pure and good people) i enjoy it. Most of iranian ignore pakistan and india. We have a lot of more important enemies and friends than pakistan or india.
 
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Grow up lol, what Idiocracy
ah gotcha. some of u, epsecailly you, manufacture so many lies about IRan so fast, its a waste of my energy and intelligence to chase people who wan to remain ignorant to regional realities.

Some other moron said i'm Nigerian and i'm an Irani fan boy...what does being Nigerian have to do with understanding Iran? some of you are Pakistanis and have never been to Saudia but you give them ALL the understanding in the world...ironic when people have tribal and ethnic lens to see everything. lmao. limited minds oh well, we control them with better logic.
 
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