Why is America turning Islamophobic?

[A.P. Richelieu]

Firstly, your last sentence is ridiculous. Lay off American Muslims. The VAST majority of us are law abiding, productive members of society.

Secondly, in your words for what reason did the US invade Iraq? This i would love to hear.

It does not matter if the VAST majority are law abiding, if there are mechanisms
which makes SOME Muslims believe they are right when violating just laws and the Constitution.

Discussing the invasion of Iraq is not within the scope of the thread.
There are Zillions of threads on that subject.

 

[gambit]

Firstly, your last sentence is ridiculous. Lay off American Muslims. The VAST majority of us are law abiding, productive members of society.

It is expected that everyone be law abiding and productive. But you cannot deny the fact that the FBI have constant investigations into domestic Islamic terrorism.

Secondly, in your words for what reason did the US invade Iraq? This i would love to hear.

Did what I posted too much for you ? What I posted are public information. The fact that you believe the US 'lied' about Iraq WMD tells me that you are an intellectually lazy person despite all the tools available for you. You did not question what is 'WMD' in the first place, let alone all the details that accompanies those initials.

The US invaded Iraq because Iraq's WMD programs and that Saddam Hussein proved to be unstable. We have no problems with dictators as long as they stay within their borders.


Saddam's chief nuclear scientist, Mahdi Obeidi, approved of the invasion and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Am not saying that Obeidi's approval was enough. Am saying that there are more to what you got from MSNBC and others that you selectively watched because what they say conformed to your already made up mind.

By the way, the 'bomb' that Obeidi referenced was not a functional nuclear explosive device or even fissile material. Saddam ordered Obeidi to bury a pair of centrifuges in Obeidi's home garden in case the US actually invades. Without the centrifuges, Iraq's nuclear weapons programs could not be re-started.


See the author's name ? Read my post 119 to refresh your memory on who he is.

Discussing the invasion of Iraq is not within the scope of the thread.

As a Muslim, he is obligated to bring it in to justify his arguments. The invasion of Iraq was not a state v state action but an injustice against Muslims in general.

 

[Avicenna]

Intellectually lazy? Buddy, you have no idea how highly educated I am.

The US invasion of Iraq in 2003 was based on an artificially created arguement by the likes of neocons like Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and the like. It was planned. It was prepared. It was sold to the American public. WMDs, shock and awe, collateral damage. All nice little antiseptic words used to feed the public and sanitize this war. I'm not really sure why the US invaded Iraq in '03. But it sure as hell wasn't because Saddam Hussein posed any kind of imminent threat to anyone but his own people.

 

[gambit]

Intellectually lazy? Buddy, you have no idea how highly educated I am.

I'm not really sure why the US invaded Iraq in '03. But it sure as hell wasn't because Saddam Hussein posed any kind of imminent threat to anyone but his own people.

I guess Kuwait was something you missed in your education.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Intellectually lazy? Buddy, you have no idea how highly educated I am.

The US invasion of Iraq in 2003 was based on an artificially created arguement by the likes of neocons like Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and the like. It was planned. It was prepared. It was sold to the American public. WMDs, shock and awe, collateral damage. All nice little antiseptic words used to feed the public and sanitize this war. I'm not really sure why the US invaded Iraq in '03. But it sure as hell wasn't because Saddam Hussein posed any kind of imminent threat to anyone but his own people.

The dictatorship of Saddam Hussein was illegal,
and it is the duty of every decent human to support his removal from power.
His cronies have tried to regain power through a bloody insurgence and failed miserably.

 

[AViet]

Hypocrites and opportunists of the highest order.

They hate American values so much but still immigrate here.

They want to earn money in the US and fund organizations that are fighting America.

They want to unite in the name of Islam but would not assimilate and unite in the name of US which provides them all the opportunities.

Is there any different with Westerners? European hated AmeIndian and African so much, but kept immigrating to these two continents some centuries ago. That was where opportunities could be found. It is human nature.

Nowadays, most people immigrate to the US not because they love the US and Western values. Do not be delusional. They are forced to.

 

[Solomon2]

If you run the numbers in the US. Lets just count up murders, rapes, and other violent crimes. Tell me how many are committed. And how many are commited by muslims.

Who "committed" a crime can always be denied. A firmer measure of Americans' perceptions vs. reality is in the numbers incarcerated. In 2011, 9.4% of the U.S. prison population was Muslim.

Muslims are about 1% of the U.S. population. You can do the rest of the math and research the specifics of violence, etc.

 

[Avicenna]

I guess Kuwait was something you missed in your education.

Really? In 2003?

The dictatorship of Saddam Hussein was illegal,
and it is the duty of every decent human to support his removal from power.
His cronies have tried to regain power through a bloody insurgence and failed miserably.

So how many "illegal" regimes have western nations installed or supported when it suits them?

Furthermore define "illegal".

 

[Gothic]

** america

 

[Avicenna]

Who "committed" a crime can always be denied. A firmer measure of Americans' perceptions vs. reality is in the numbers incarcerated. In 2011, 9.4% of the U.S. prison population was Muslim.

Muslims are about 1% of the U.S. population. You can do the rest of the math and research the specifics of violence, etc.

I highly doubt the average American walks around with knowledge of the statistics you presented. Rather the average joe's perception of reality is shaped by 30 second new bits in popular media. THAT is their reality, not facts.

Secondly, you attempt to insinuate Islam is inherently violent from that statistic is intellectually dishonest, but expected from your track record of posts.

Is there any different with Westerners? European hated AmeIndian and African so much, but kept immigrating to these two continents some centuries ago. That was where opportunities could be found. It is human nature.

Nowadays, most people immigrate to the US not because they love the US and Western values. Do not be delusional. They are forced to.

Please understand, what happened centuries ago was colonialism and not immigration. And it was a completely non violent, altruistic endeavor by civilized white Europeans to enlighten the indigenous peoples of the land they took over. Not at all based on ideas of Christian superiority over other faiths or traditions. Whether overtly stated or not. That's why that was different.

 

[Solomon2]

I highly doubt the average American walks around with knowledge of the statistics you presented. Rather the average joe's perception of reality is shaped by 30 second new bits in popular media. THAT is their reality, not facts.

A "phobia" is an unreasonable fear. Statistics imply it's reasonable for an American to think that the Muslim he meets is far more likely to end up in jail than a non-Muslim.

Secondly, you attempt to insinuate Islam is inherently violent from that statistic is intellectually dishonest, but expected from your track record of posts.

I was responding to YOUR post discussing Muslims; I offered no commentary on Islam the religion.

 

[Avicenna]

A "phobia" is an unreasonable fear. Statistics imply it's reasonable for an American to think that the Muslim he meets is far more likely to end up in jail than a non-Muslim.

I was responding to YOUR post discussing Muslims; I offered no commentary on Islam the religion.

Using YOUR rationale would you be willing to extend your argument to an American meeting a black man rather than a muslim?

 

[Sliver]

lets not call it "phobia". there is nothing to be "afraid of" here. but, many people do not like sharia or islam or some of its practices. and thats perfectly fine and allowed. having a different view does not make someone an islamophobe. it makes him/her a human.

 

[Solomon2]

Using YOUR rationale -

MY "rationale"? More like Dictionary.com:

phobia

[foh-bee-uh]
noun
1.
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.
​

So a fear that is persistent and rational is not a phobia.

 

[Cthulhu]

The US invaded Iraq because Iraq's WMD programs and that Saddam Hussein proved to be unstable. We have no problems with dictators as long as they stay within their borders.

Right.