Why Iran needs to fight Saudi Arabia to forge peace

[Taimoor Khan]

Ok, in your world Shia defenders who happened to be the most modern and moderate nation is Takfiri and you who describe India as Kafir state and mention stuff like Crusader are moderate ones... Just like when Saudi calls Al qaeda in Syria as moderate!!

Look at your wording, "Shia defenders" , full off sectarian BS. Modern? moderate? Those Mullah in Qom who control your nation by balls are moderated?? you are third world nation just came out of sanction with the label "Axis of evil" still hanging from your necks. No wonder you are close to Indians, delusional lots, lots of empty bravado. With regards to the word "Kafir" go and fu***** educate what the word mean in Arabic. India is a Kafir state by any interpretation of the word.

i know... you repeated this for anything anybody said or explained... It is our fault if the aggressors or invaders are calling themselves Muslims!! I,m sure you will sit down surrender if a Muslim nation attack Pakistan.. Otherwise, you will be guilty!!
I told you once... It is like killing your mother or brother when you find them turned into Zombies who want to eat you... Your type are Zombies..

Listen kido, war is the very last resort. We in Pakistan would have gone and rip apart anything that move in Afghanistan to pieces by now had we been working on the Iranian logic. That country has been used by anybody and everybody against us yet we are exercising restraint. And if you are so blood thirsty, go and bloody attack Saudi Arabia directly and leave the ordinary people in Middle east alone. but there your balls retrieve back in your sack. And tbh, its you lot who are exhibiting the traits of Zombies, going on rampage, blood sucking animals. Perhaps another surgery is required on your lot just like Hazart Umer (RA) did.

They are supported by USA too... They are pet dogs? No they are independent and elected democratically... Let's suppose you are right about pet dog which is not true in anyway... Other super powers have lots of petdogs why not Iran!! This Iraq being Iran's pet dog is what Saudi and other takfiris put into the empty drum on your shoulder.. It is not true in any ways..

Irony is that you lot shout down with America but work hands in gloves with them in Iraq and Afghanistan. You every conveniently forgot Mahdi Army, those angels who came down from heavens!! NOT!

You can have your pet dog all your want, just keep them in leash. This blood thirsty killings and revenge killings must stop.

seriously!!? and charcoal is white... I consider you a good representative of the description you gave here... in this sense, I am God..

Leave this point sunshine, you wont understand what I was saying to you. You are classical example of Iranian bullshIt I see on internet.

A murderer comes to your house at the middle of the night... He tries to kill your family and yourself... He made it and killed some of your family members.. now, you grab your gun (that you could have used in first place but waited just to give it a chance to be solved peacefully) and kill the murderer... can I call you the one that act sectarian because you only kill the murderer.. why don't you kill one of your family members so we don;t call you sectarian!!

This again shows you don't read at all... I wasted my precious time and listed you many times were Iranians helped Sunnis against others... Just because Iran policy is to help the weak side under cruel, not-justified attacks and no body helps them...

In the opposite side, name one Shia entity Saudis or other Sunnis helped? No, I am wrong I found one... no actually three examples where Sunnis help Shia... Sunnis, Druz people in Hizbullah in Lebanon... 2- Thousands of Sunni and Christian fighters in Hashd Al Shaabi in Iraq... Sunni Afghans like Masoud helped Shia Hazaras... This shows non-Takfiri Sunnis are as nice people as Shias... The problem here is Takfiri beheaders that seem to be anything but a Sunni Muslim...

Very nice story, only thing is that it doesnt apply in present circumstances. You are the ones going into forigen lands outside your borders and screwing up the order in distant lands.

Are you telling me that there is nothing sectarian going on in middle east at the moment while whole Muslim world screaming out loud to stop this non sense. You Iranian on the Shia side and Saudis on the Sunni side? Is there no sunni and shias killing each other in middle east as we speak? Maybe rest of the world has moved to Mars and dont know what is going on the earth and only Iran, Saudi and their lackies are left there , living in their own world!

Thats is why I said as in my original comment, Iran and Saudi are same side of the coin, both representing the two extremes of luncay, while we in Pakistan follow the middle path, as mentioned by prophet (PBUH). Hell we dont even look at people from sectarian angel, if that is the case, we could not have elected a shia lady twice as our prime minister representing the collective wisdom of the nation. You in Iran and Saudi have got a long, very long way to reach the maturity level like us.

 

[scythian500]

Look at your wording, "Shia defenders" , full off sectarian BS. Modern? moderate? Those Mullah in Qom who control your nation by balls are moderated?? you are third world nation just came out of sanction with the label "Axis of evil" still hanging from your necks. No wonder you are close to Indians, delusional lots, lots of empty bravado. With regards to the word "Kafir" go and fu***** educate what the word mean in Arabic. India is a Kafir state by any interpretation of the word.



Listen kido, war is the very last resort. We in Pakistan would have gone and rip apart anything that move in Afghanistan to pieces by now had we been working on the Iranian logic. That country has been used by anybody and everybody against us yet we are exercising restraint. And if you are so blood thirsty, go and bloody attack Saudi Arabia directly and leave the ordinary people in Middle east alone. but there your balls retrieve back in your sack. And tbh, its you lot who are exhibiting the traits of Zombies, going on rampage, blood sucking animals. Perhaps another surgery is required on your lot just like Hazart Umer (RA) did.



Irony is that you lot shout down with America but work hands in gloves with them in Iraq and Afghanistan. You every conveniently forgot Mahdi Army, those angels who came down from heavens!! NOT!

You can have your pet dog all your want, just keep them in leash. This blood thirsty killings and revenge killings must stop.



Leave this point sunshine, you wont understand what I was saying to you. You are classical example of Iranian bullshIt I see on internet.



Very nice story, only thing is that it doesnt apply in present circumstances. You are the ones going into forigen lands outside your borders and screwing up the order in distant lands.

Are you telling me that there is nothing sectarian going on in middle east at the moment while whole Muslim world screaming out loud to stop this non sense. You Iranian on the Shia side and Saudis on the Sunni side? Is there no sunni and shias killing each other in middle east as we speak? Maybe rest of the world has moved to Mars and dont know what is going on the earth and only Iran, Saudi and their lackies are left there , living in their own world!

Thats is why I said as in my original comment, Iran and Saudi are same side of the coin, both representing the two extremes of luncay, while we in Pakistan follow the middle path, as mentioned by prophet (PBUH). Hell we dont even look at people from sectarian angel, if that is the case, we could not have elected a shia lady twice as our prime minister representing the collective wisdom of the nation. You in Iran and Saudi have got a long, very long way to reach the maturity level like us.

Most Pakistani people who I met are nice and intelligent... and if you say so... you are supposed to say so... As my friends said above... you and your weird arguments are either a retarded person with serious reasoning issues lied in a bed in hospital surprising all with your wisdom or just a bad defender of Wahhabi Takfiris of your type... Damnn even the FM of wahhabis' words seem to have more reason that yours... Good luck... I don't expect more from a backward mind..

I ask your Allah to give you patience and intelligence needed to be saved of the trap and ignorance you are struggling in...
I have nothing more to add... It is like trying to explain how the earth is not flat to a frog... Nothing comes out of it... They are not meant to understand.. no offense though

 

[Arminkh]

Look at your wording, "Shia defenders" , full off sectarian BS. Modern? moderate? Those Mullah in Qom who control your nation by balls are moderated?? you are third world nation just came out of sanction with the label "Axis of evil" still hanging from your necks. No wonder you are close to Indians, delusional lots, lots of empty bravado. With regards to the word "Kafir" go and fu***** educate what the word mean in Arabic. India is a Kafir state by any interpretation of the word.



Listen kido, war is the very last resort. We in Pakistan would have gone and rip apart anything that move in Afghanistan to pieces by now had we been working on the Iranian logic. That country has been used by anybody and everybody against us yet we are exercising restraint. And if you are so blood thirsty, go and bloody attack Saudi Arabia directly and leave the ordinary people in Middle east alone. but there your balls retrieve back in your sack. And tbh, its you lot who are exhibiting the traits of Zombies, going on rampage, blood sucking animals. Perhaps another surgery is required on your lot just like Hazart Umer (RA) did.



Irony is that you lot shout down with America but work hands in gloves with them in Iraq and Afghanistan. You every conveniently forgot Mahdi Army, those angels who came down from heavens!! NOT!

You can have your pet dog all your want, just keep them in leash. This blood thirsty killings and revenge killings must stop.



Leave this point sunshine, you wont understand what I was saying to you. You are classical example of Iranian bullshIt I see on internet.



Very nice story, only thing is that it doesnt apply in present circumstances. You are the ones going into forigen lands outside your borders and screwing up the order in distant lands.

Are you telling me that there is nothing sectarian going on in middle east at the moment while whole Muslim world screaming out loud to stop this non sense. You Iranian on the Shia side and Saudis on the Sunni side? Is there no sunni and shias killing each other in middle east as we speak? Maybe rest of the world has moved to Mars and dont know what is going on the earth and only Iran, Saudi and their lackies are left there , living in their own world!

Thats is why I said as in my original comment, Iran and Saudi are same side of the coin, both representing the two extremes of luncay, while we in Pakistan follow the middle path, as mentioned by prophet (PBUH). Hell we dont even look at people from sectarian angel, if that is the case, we could not have elected a shia lady twice as our prime minister representing the collective wisdom of the nation. You in Iran and Saudi have got a long, very long way to reach the maturity level like us.

Hey body,

If you are going to comment on the foreign policy of another nation. I suggest you first make sure you know damn good about its history and its current affairs. Your previous comments about Iran's wars with other nations shows you know nothing about Iran's history.

Regarding your allegation of Iran interfering in the sectarian wars, ok, your suggestion? You know, as a Pakistani, you are the last person who should object to what Iran is doing. Pakistan is more prone to sectarian violence than Iran. I bet, if you were the neighbor of Iraq instead of Iran, ISIS had already occupied whole Iraq and now you were fighting them inside your own country.

It wasn't Iran who started the mess in Iraq, we are Shias remember? ISIS kill Shias. If it wasn't because of us, they had occupied Baghdad and now they were mass murdering any Shia they could find in Iraq. Same is true in Syria.

And regarding your "sit and watch" policy with Afghanistan, maybe if you had interfered, Bush would never had attacked Afghanistan. Sitting and watching the fire in the neighbors house and doing nothing is a recipe for fire to spread everywhere.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes, sending warning to Sallahuddin right in the middle of his struggles against the Crusaders, and with Ottomans, the same theme, right when they were busy dealing with the Europeans, you Persians chose your timings very well. You fighting in Syria and Iraq on Humanitaritan grounds? Cut the BS mate.

With regards to Arabs invading you, your fate was sealed when Khusroo tore Prophet (PBUH) letter in anger. The problem with the narrative is, that till date you lot hold grudges against Arabs for destroying your Persian empire, your misplaced bravado and nationalism getting the better out of you, without realising that had the surgery not been done on you, you still would have been the fire worshipers.

First about salahoaldin , go and read history he started a war with them in Syria and because he was fighting the crusader they sent a warning that if he continue his fights against them they can easily reach him.

About ottoman well are. You aware when they were at war with European, England approached us and asked us to open a second front against them and king Abbas instead of attacking ottoman made england attack Portuguese forces in Persian gulf . in short helping ottoman in their fight against European .

About Arab well go read history we took our revenge when we killed second khalif and when we destroyed ommayed then we took revenge when we removed aminfrom power and put mamoon instead of him . then we took our revenge when make Abbasid dynasty a vassal of Al-booye and then when we make holacoo destroy that dynasty for good.
About we have grudge how come some Arabs attacking us and talking about victory of victories and second Qadesiyah and you say we didn't forgot the grudge . for me it more look like some Arab didn't forgets what we did to them.

Unfortunately yea they should be like brothers to Muslim nation but not!!
Iran involved in Yemen , Syria,iraq etc on first place even against Pakistan secretly with alliance with afganistan for so long

We are not involved in Yemen no matter how many time you say it and since when supporting and give help to lawfull and recognized government of a country when asked is considered waging war against that country.
And by waging war against Pakistan indirectly you mean supporting northern alliance against Taliban that Pakistan supported then I think history showed us who made the bright choice .

 

[raptor22]

I am not saying that you go about picking your guns on rampage against non Muslims nations. The distinction was made between Muslim and Kafir nations on the basis of the "conflicts" you have been involved in your history with other Muslims.

These terms are not familiar and recognized within Iranian society and are new to me, terms like "Kafer state" or "modern day crusaders" ... it was the first time in my entire life that one person described another nation/country as a Kafir ...
And I explained how Iranian have contributed in Islam more than any other nation , so we have nothing against other Muslim nations and Islam itself as you described it in this way " pattern that goes deep into Islamic history right from the beginning of Islam".. we fought Ottmoans not because they were Muslim we just defended ourselves ....

Why would I care about the terrorist organization you mentioned? They are the tools, mercenaries in the hand of powers to be , to cause mayhem in the Muslim world, and target Islam through their actions. I am talking about you lot as a Muslim state and your counterparts in Riyadh. Surely you can rise above these terrorist organizations and contain the fire that is engulfing the middle east and its common people?

I didn't care about those terrorist organization but mostly about their origins, you need to trace tracks to find the answer. you talk about sectarian conflicts but you don't bother yourself to ask while there is no presence of Iran in Africa still we see Al Shaba and Boko Haram? were there Shia persecution too?

Did the Bahraini government was blowing Shia suburbs and its people before the law and order situation was created there? You do understand that Bahrain is a well developed country? And can you actually not see the sea difference between situation in Iraq where Madhi army, long before the creation of ISIS was on rampage agaisnt Sunnis? How Maliki policies were completely anti Sunnis? These are FACTS.

The fact is there is a Sunni minority ruler in Bharain which is oppressing a majority Shia and this majority instead of taking gun has always protested peacefully and has not created a monster like ISIS ....
The same goes for Iraq , for decades a minority Sunni (Saddam was a nasty, murderous tyrant who brutalized much of his country and was guilty of war crimes.) ruled a majority but again Shia majority in Iraq has not created a monster like ISIS ....
By the way the basis of ISIS was created back in 1999 by al-Zarqawi in Iraq, Maleki became PM in 2006 the year that ISI was established ...
ISIS:

WMD’s were not the only incriminating object that was unfounded prior to ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’; there were no Al Qaeda or ISIS either. The proto-ISIS group, Jam’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (TJ) led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was born out of the Iraq war, as part of a coalition of Sunni resistance groups fighting the occupying forces. TJ changed its name on multiple occasions during its evolution to becoming ISIS. In late 2004, TJ officially joined Al-Qaeda, after Zarqawi pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden, and became known as Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). In 2006, AQI became the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), which later became the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) when it branched into the Syrian civil war.​

On a cold and blustery evening in December 1989, Huthaifa Azzam, the teenage son of the legendary Jordanian-Palestinian mujahideen leader Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, went to the airport in Peshawar, Pakistan, to welcome a group of young men. All were new recruits, largely from Jordan, and they had come to fight in a fratricidal civil war in neighboring Afghanistan—an outgrowth of the CIA-financed jihad of the 1980s against the Soviet occupation there.

The men were scruffy, Huthaifa mused as he greeted them, and seemed hardly in battle-ready form. Some had just been released from prison; others were professors and sheikhs. None of them would prove worth remembering—except for a relatively short, squat man named Ahmad Fadhil Nazzal al-Khalaylah.
He would later rename himself Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.​

I respect your personal views about Syria but unfortunately your Mullah rulers dont agree with them, when even your generals are coming back to iran from Syria in coffins. Iran has no business to send it troops to fight inside Syria against Syrian people. Asad is despised by majority of Syrians. A problem which could have been avoided by cooler minds and better sense has now been turned into a proper Shia vs Sunni non sense with Hizbullah jumping in Syrian imbroglio. Highly despise dictator plus Iran plus hizbullah, all Shia , against the Sunni majority people of Syria. This is what the message is going to the world and Muslim world in particular. There is no military solution, whoever send Iranian forces inside Syria needs to get his head checked. Enemies of Islam will cause further divide if this continue unabated.

Yes we do have right to fight within the Syrian borders. security is not an abstract concept, in real world it's connected to many other factors ... security and stability in Iraq and Syria has a direct impact on Iran Security and stability ..one of the reason that Iran supported Erdogan was preventing another chaos that could have blewn the entire region ... Americans, French, Russians, British all from far away have always been presence in the ME 'cause of their own security and stability .. the same goes to Turkey, Saudi, Qatar and Jordan which are presence in Syria .. so expecting a major power like Iran to sit back and just look how the other players shape the region base on their interests is nothing but stupidity ....
Our presence in both countries I mean Iraq and Syria is base upon direct request of their central Gov. which are recognized by international community as legitimate governments and they represent their nations in the UN.
In Iraq while ISIS was approaching the Baghdad and Kurdistan region both of them asked Iran directly to come to their aids ... and we did so .. we sent our military advisers and weapons to push ISIS back . in that time ISIS was 10 kms away from Baghdad .. just imagine what would have happened to the map of the ME if Iran had declined Iraqi request ..
Beside Baghdad, ISIS was approaching Iran borders too .. our national security is our red line , we can not let some lifeless savages like these animals enter our territories hence instead of siting and waiting to be beheaded by ISIS we preferred to fight with them in Iraq beyond our borders ....
I don't think Syrian conflict is a sectarian war, there is a much more bigger reason behind it ..though someone wanna to portray it in this way to distract people from reality on the ground,
In Syria , what I mentioned as 4-steps diplomatic proposal was initiated by the same Mullah rulers of Iran and has been on the table from the day 1. actually it was Iran which urged Assad to reform the Syrian constitution , disarm it CW. Iran has always insisted that the only one who should decide about the future of Syria is Syrian people not American, Saudis, Qataris, Turkish not Iranians or any other one... that's way we've called out for a free and fair election in Syria that include all Syrian parties (expect terrorists) which in any probable outcome should be respected by all sides , if Syrians despise Assad then they would not vote him and consequently the Syrian people elected candidate would become the next president ...this could solve the crisis once for all but the other side just seek removal of Assad which was started back in 2005 by terrorist attack against Rafic Harir proceeded by 2006 war in Lebanon.

 

[mike2000 is back]

in Lebanon we helped them against Israel had nothing with ksa
In Iraq and Syria we help the legitimate government after they invaded by a mercenary coalition from 91 country
Yemen had nothing with us .
In Afghanistan well you were also part of it

do they dare to say so

Lol yes Iran has never done anything bad in the region. Lool

Anyway, who cares ? Fact is IRAN AND KSA are smart players. They will keep you proxies and fighting indirectly to the last naive dumb man in the region but Afghan, Pakistani,Yemenis, strange, Hezbollah, Al nusra, hamas, Iraqis, and many other proxies both countries often use. Why out directly when your proxies can do it for you? Lol. So both countries will carry on as it has serve them well so far.
Only a fool will think iran will ever attack KSA or even more so far more advanced/powerful powers like Israel or U.S. lol They will always stop with propaganda. Same with KSA, she will never attack iran directly , just using its local proxies as well

 

[X-2.]

A friend of mine here explained this very good. He said Nazis and allied forces were both having guns and killing tens of millions in Europe and Asia... Can we call Allied forces as guilty? Think about it for second.. Think for God sake

Anyone don't need to be Nazis both need to be umati of rasool Allah

First about salahoaldin , go and read history he started a war with them in Syria and because he was fighting the crusader they sent a warning that if he continue his fights against them they can easily reach him.

About ottoman well are. You aware when they were at war with European, England approached us and asked us to open a second front against them and king Abbas instead of attacking ottoman made england attack Portuguese forces in Persian gulf . in short helping ottoman in their fight against European .

About Arab well go read history we took our revenge when we killed second khalif and when we destroyed ommayed then we took revenge when we removed aminfrom power and put mamoon instead of him . then we took our revenge when make Abbasid dynasty a vassal of Al-booye and then when we make holacoo destroy that dynasty for good.
About we have grudge how come some Arabs attacking us and talking about victory of victories and second Qadesiyah and you say we didn't forgot the grudge . for me it more look like some Arab didn't forgets what we did to them.


We are not involved in Yemen no matter how many time you say it and since when supporting and give help to lawfull and recognized government of a country when asked is considered waging war against that country.
And by waging war against Pakistan indirectly you mean supporting northern alliance against Taliban that Pakistan supported then I think history showed us who made the bright choice .

Every inner gun knows what I'm saying.. yes Iranian generals are there
In syria they are do I believe or not
And on Taliban issue now ?? Iran is also in support of one group of Taliban
For us I will say u r unaware of reality in Afghanistan
Even after 16 yrs they didn't sized Taliban territories
One question from ur answer !
If u support northern alliance which are backed by USA so arnt it make u allies of USA too

 

[scythian500]

Lol yes Iran has never done anything bad in the region. Lool

Anyway, who cares ? Fact is IRAN AND KSA are smart players. They will keep you proxies and fighting indirectly to the last naive dumb man in the region but Afghan, Pakistani,Yemenis, strange, Hezbollah, Al nusra, hamas, Iraqis, and many other proxies both countries often use. Why out directly when your proxies can do it for you? Lol. So both countries will carry on as it has serve them well so far.
Only a fool will think iran will ever attack KSA or even more so far more advanced/powerful powers like Israel or U.S. lol They will always stop with propaganda. Same with KSA, she will never attack iran directly , just using its local proxies as well

ٌWhat a brilliant analysis!! You could be the leader of your community of Pakistanis in UK!!

These terms are not familiar and recognized within Iranian society and are new to me, terms like "Kafer state" or "modern day crusaders" ... it was the first time in my entire life that one person described another nation/country as a Kafir ...
And I explained how Iranian have contributed in Islam more than any other nation , so we have nothing against other Muslim nations and Islam itself as you described it in this way " pattern that goes deep into Islamic history right from the beginning of Islam".. we fought Ottmoans not because they were Muslim we just defended ourselves ....



I didn't care about those terrorist organization but mostly about their origins, you need to trace tracks to find the answer. you talk about sectarian conflicts but you don't bother yourself to ask while there is no presence of Iran in Africa still we see Al Shaba and Boko Haram? were there Shia persecution too?




The fact is there is a Sunni minority ruler in Bharain which is oppressing a majority Shia and this majority instead of taking gun has always protested peacefully and has not created a monster like ISIS ....
The same goes for Iraq , for decades a minority Sunni (Saddam was a nasty, murderous tyrant who brutalized much of his country and was guilty of war crimes.) ruled a majority but again Shia majority in Iraq has not created a monster like ISIS ....
By the way the basis of ISIS was created back in 1999 by al-Zarqawi in Iraq, Maleki became PM in 2006 the year that ISI was established ...
ISIS:

WMD’s were not the only incriminating object that was unfounded prior to ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’; there were no Al Qaeda or ISIS either. The proto-ISIS group, Jam’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (TJ) led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was born out of the Iraq war, as part of a coalition of Sunni resistance groups fighting the occupying forces. TJ changed its name on multiple occasions during its evolution to becoming ISIS. In late 2004, TJ officially joined Al-Qaeda, after Zarqawi pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden, and became known as Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). In 2006, AQI became the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), which later became the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) when it branched into the Syrian civil war.​

On a cold and blustery evening in December 1989, Huthaifa Azzam, the teenage son of the legendary Jordanian-Palestinian mujahideen leader Sheikh Abdullah Azzam, went to the airport in Peshawar, Pakistan, to welcome a group of young men. All were new recruits, largely from Jordan, and they had come to fight in a fratricidal civil war in neighboring Afghanistan—an outgrowth of the CIA-financed jihad of the 1980s against the Soviet occupation there.

The men were scruffy, Huthaifa mused as he greeted them, and seemed hardly in battle-ready form. Some had just been released from prison; others were professors and sheikhs. None of them would prove worth remembering—except for a relatively short, squat man named Ahmad Fadhil Nazzal al-Khalaylah.
He would later rename himself Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.​

Yes we do have right to fight within the Syrian borders. security is not an abstract concept, in real world it's connected to many other factors ... security and stability in Iraq and Syria has a direct impact on Iran Security and stability ..one of the reason that Iran supported Erdogan was preventing another chaos that could have blewn the entire region ... Americans, French, Russians, British all from far away have always been presence in the ME 'cause of their own security and stability .. the same goes to Turkey, Saudi, Qatar and Jordan which are presence in Syria .. so expecting a major power like Iran to sit back and just look how the other players shape the region base on their interests is nothing but stupidity ....
Our presence in both countries I mean Iraq and Syria is base upon direct request of their central Gov. which are recognized by international community as legitimate governments and they represent their nations in the UN.
In Iraq while ISIS was approaching the Baghdad and Kurdistan region both of them asked Iran directly to come to their aids ... and we did so .. we sent our military advisers and weapons to push ISIS back . in that time ISIS was 10 kms away from Baghdad .. just imagine what would have happened to the map of the ME if Iran had declined Iraqi request ..
Beside Baghdad, ISIS was approaching Iran borders too .. our national security is our red line , we can not let some lifeless savages like these animals enter our territories hence instead of siting and waiting to be beheaded by ISIS we preferred to fight with them in Iraq beyond our borders ....
I don't think Syrian conflict is a sectarian war, there is a much more bigger reason behind it ..though someone wanna to portray it in this way to distract people from reality on the ground,
In Syria , what I mentioned as 4-steps diplomatic proposal was initiated by the same Mullah rulers of Iran and has been on the table from the day 1. actually it was Iran which urged Assad to reform the Syrian constitution , disarm it CW. Iran has always insisted that the only one who should decide about the future of Syria is Syrian people not American, Saudis, Qataris, Turkish not Iranians or any other one... that's way we've called out for a free and fair election in Syria that include all Syrian parties (expect terrorists) which in any probable outcome should be respected by all sides , if Syrians despise Assad then they would not vote him and consequently the Syrian people elected candidate would become the next president ...this could solve the crisis once for all but the other side just seek removal of Assad which was started back in 2005 by terrorist attack against Rafic Harir proceeded by 2006 war in Lebanon.

You deserve to be an analyst man and of course a positive rating... I should say after all the years I came to discuss issues with all sorts of people from different nations around the world, these flux of people who tend to be extremest Sunnis use a different kind of logic that I have never seen anywhere else... It is not logic as the rest of the world know about it... Sometimes I think this is because if illiteracy sometimes a culture that brought them up easy to deceive... For example, in Iran most people know the right thing no matter if they object or not... They have the right idea of stuff going on... I recently came to realize the true reason behind separation of the main body of Muslims from Ahl Al Beit and the fact that most Islamic kings and Emirs were in fact enemies of Ahl al beit and their Shia followers... I,m sure you know what I mean...

 

[Finer]

Most Pakistani people who I met are nice and intelligent... and if you say so... you are supposed to say so... As my friends said above... you and your weird arguments are either a retarded person with serious reasoning issues lied in a bed in hospital surprising all with your wisdom or just a bad defender of Wahhabi Takfiris of your type... Damnn even the FM of wahhabis' words seem to have more reason that yours... Good luck... I don't expect more from a backward mind..

I ask your Allah to give you patience and intelligence needed to be saved of the trap and ignorance you are struggling in...
I have nothing more to add... It is like trying to explain how the earth is not flat to a frog... Nothing comes out of it... They are not meant to understand.. no offense though

Same can be said about you which you have conveniently ignored Iran part on the Middle East which has been plagued with sectarian violence of terrorism kind.

At least he is calling spade a spade. Muslim worlds will be better off without KSA-IRAN - real cancer to the Muslim worlds.

Lol yes Iran has never done anything bad in the region. Lool

Anyway, who cares ? Fact is IRAN AND KSA are smart players. They will keep you proxies and fighting indirectly to the last naive dumb man in the region but Afghan, Pakistani,Yemenis, strange, Hezbollah, Al nusra, hamas, Iraqis, and many other proxies both countries often use. Why out directly when your proxies can do it for you? Lol. So both countries will carry on as it has serve them well so far.
Only a fool will think iran will ever attack KSA or even more so far more advanced/powerful powers like Israel or U.S. lol They will always stop with propaganda. Same with KSA, she will never attack iran directly , just using its local proxies as well

I think they are dumb. Since they lack foresight, they have no idea what they have unleashed in the Middle East. In the long run, instability in M.E can prove costly to KSA-Iran [funders of sectarian proxy wars]. Foreign security minister has already acknowledged it has unleashed the beast which in result threaten to stability in KSA after massacred of people in the regions of Iraq. Iran is still adamant to remain pursuant to the proxy wars which will leave the similar outcome for Iran after KSA which is yet to be seen.

Both KSA and Iran are arrogantly stupid. They think they are superior beings of all but in reality, they are superior in beyond the retardation of stupidity. It is no wonder why are persist in destroying themselves and not even realize while bigger players enjoy as they aim for the bigger picture which involves removing KSA-Iran from the facet of the earth.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Anyone don't need to be Nazis both need to be umati of rasool Allah


Every inner gun knows what I'm saying.. yes Iranian generals are there
In syria they are do I believe or not
And on Taliban issue now ?? Iran is also in support of one group of Taliban
For us I will say u r unaware of reality in Afghanistan
Even after 16 yrs they didn't sized Taliban territories
One question from ur answer !
If u support northern alliance which are backed by USA so arnt it make u allies of USA too

Supporting northern alliance made us consistence on what we believe .
at the time we supported northern alliance ,USA and Pakistan were busy Supporting Taliban and building Al-Qaeda .
if because later USA decided to change its loyalties ,you expect us to do what ?abandon northern alliance and support Taliban ? what you are taking us for ? 4 years old girls ? you expect us to let USA or any foreign country dictate us or policies ?

Lol yes Iran has never done anything bad in the region. Lool

Anyway, who cares ? Fact is IRAN AND KSA are smart players. They will keep you proxies and fighting indirectly to the last naive dumb man in the region but Afghan, Pakistani,Yemenis, strange, Hezbollah, Al nusra, hamas, Iraqis, and many other proxies both countries often use. Why out directly when your proxies can do it for you? Lol. So both countries will carry on as it has serve them well so far.
Only a fool will think iran will ever attack KSA or even more so far more advanced/powerful powers like Israel or U.S. lol They will always stop with propaganda. Same with KSA, she will never attack iran directly , just using its local proxies as well

I never said Iran didn't made decision that later shown to be bad , what I say is at least if you want judge Iran do it for what we really did not for what we didn't do and you just like attribute it to us because it made you feel better.