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You fighting in Syria and Iraq on Humanitaritan grounds?.

Are you serious? :lol: NO sovereign country fights on "humanitarian grounds". Countries only fight for their interests. Its called realpolitik.

you lot hold grudges against Arabs for destroying your Persian empire

We hold grudges against them for treating us like animals, calling us "Ajam", enslaving our people, and trying to destroy our culture. They're still trying to do it today. Arab nationalists call us "Ajami", they regard us as lesser people because we are not the "original Muslims", and a lot of them don't consider us Muslims at all. On top of that, they are still trying to destroy our culture, like changing the name of the Persian Gulf, and denigrating Iranian culture as a whole with propaganda.

Not to mention they sponsored Saddam gassing us, and support anti-Iranian terrorists to this day.

So please don't talk about something you don't understand.
 
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Are you serious? :lol: NO sovereign country fights on "humanitarian grounds". Countries only fight for their interests. Its called realpolitik.

Yea exactly, tell this to your fellow Persian. He thinks you are there in Syria and Iraq for charity purpose.

We hold grudges against them for treating us like animals, calling us "Ajam", enslaving our people, and trying to destroy our culture. They're still trying to do it today. Arab nationalists call us "Ajami", they regard us as lesser people because we are not the "original Muslims", and a lot of them don't consider us Muslims at all. On top of that, they are still trying to destroy our culture, like changing the name of the Persian Gulf, and denigrating Iranian culture as a whole with propaganda.

Not to mention they sponsored Saddam gassing us, and support anti-Iranian terrorists to this day.

So please don't talk about something you don't understand.


Some of your concerns are valid, we in Pakistan are also "Ajami", but should we care or make it such a big issue that we start putting knives at each other throat. Someone calling me "lesser Muslim" will not make me lesser or bigger Muslim in front of Allah, that is his decision, not for any human. Treating you like animals, or enslaving your people is over board tbh. You need to tone down the rhetoric. There is a problem of over blown nationalism in Iran which is tbh very toxic and this is reflecting in the mess that we see today in middle east.
 
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Are you serious? :lol: NO sovereign country fights on "humanitarian grounds". Countries only fight for their interests. Its called realpolitik.



We hold grudges against them for treating us like animals, calling us "Ajam", enslaving our people, and trying to destroy our culture. They're still trying to do it today. Arab nationalists call us "Ajami", they regard us as lesser people because we are not the "original Muslims", and a lot of them don't consider us Muslims at all. On top of that, they are still trying to destroy our culture, like changing the name of the Persian Gulf, and denigrating Iranian culture as a whole with propaganda.

Not to mention they sponsored Saddam gassing us, and support anti-Iranian terrorists to this day.

So please don't talk about something you don't understand.
This guy is so f@@king stupid he genuinely seems unable to see the difference between iranian shia and saudi wahabists to him its just "sectarianism",to me thats just like saying you cant tell the difference between the nazis and the allies in ww2 because both their militaries wore uniforms and carried guns.This guy is either really retarded or worse hes a wahabist/wahabist sympathizer.
 
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This guy is so f@@king stupid he genuinely seems unable to see the difference between iranian shia and saudi wahabists to him its just "sectarianism",to me thats just like saying you cant tell the difference between the nazis and the allies in ww2 because both their militaries wore uniforms and carried guns.This guy is either really retarded or worse hes a wahabist/wahabist sympathizer.

Why dont you reply to me directly you little prIck. Afraid that I will rip you apart?

You shItsholes are actually worse, using the flags of "Ya Ali" and "Ya Hussain", using the religious sentiments to bring forward your pathetic nationalistic agenda and killings in the name of Islam, causing mayhem in middle east. Disgusting and despicable.
 
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This guy is so f@@king stupid he genuinely seems unable to see the difference between iranian shia and saudi wahabists to him its just "sectarianism",to me thats just like saying you cant tell the difference between the nazis and the allies in ww2 because both their militaries wore uniforms and carried guns.This guy is either really retarded or worse hes a wahabist/wahabist sympathizer.

Bro, look at my message count and you'll see that I have a long experience in dealing with these guys.
He's not stupid. When they are in a weak position, they cry for human rights, no secterianism, democracy, ummmah, ... when they take the power, first they oppress minorities(shias, christians, Yazidis, ...), kill everyone, plunder, and try to seize the whole power for themselves. That's how hypocrite they are brought up. They don't say this openly, but deep down in their heads, they believe that they are the only muslims(not the other hundreds of different sects) and they need to bend over to arabs. That's how their brains work.
Ummah is BS. Even if the so called ummah gets united, the first country they are going to attack, would be Iran (osmani ha mage che kardand?!!!). Moreover, you can never be united with people who have stone age mentality. You need to deal with them exactly like how westerners deal with them. After all, west has a long history in dealing with this people and ruling them.
Now, I know what they are going to do. throwing insults(basically saying what they themselves are), and crying to their mods (like I'd give a ****)!
 
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only Takifirs these days are you lot and your opposite side sitting on the other side of the Gulf. Killing and slaughtering each other in the name of Islam. PATHETIC
Ok, in your world Shia defenders who happened to be the most modern and moderate nation is Takfiri and you who describe India as Kafir state and mention stuff like Crusader are moderate ones... Just like when Saudi calls Al qaeda in Syria as moderate!!

I said your conflicts of past and present are for some reason have been with other Muslims.

i know... you repeated this for anything anybody said or explained... It is our fault if the aggressors or invaders are calling themselves Muslims!! I,m sure you will sit down surrender if a Muslim nation attack Pakistan.. Otherwise, you will be guilty!!
I told you once... It is like killing your mother or brother when you find them turned into Zombies who want to eat you... Your type are Zombies..

With regards to the Iraq, world know what your pet dogs, the Baghdad regime
They are supported by USA too... They are pet dogs? No they are independent and elected democratically... Let's suppose you are right about pet dog which is not true in anyway... Other super powers have lots of petdogs why not Iran!! This Iraq being Iran's pet dog is what Saudi and other takfiris put into the empty drum on your shoulder.. It is not true in any ways..

We in Pakistan are above the sectarian BS, we look at world with open eyes and dont have the tunnel vision like you
seriously!!? and charcoal is white... I consider you a good representative of the description you gave here... in this sense, I am God..:agree::lol:

Your pathetic and disgusting sectarian policies
A murderer comes to your house at the middle of the night... He tries to kill your family and yourself... He made it and killed some of your family members.. now, you grab your gun (that you could have used in first place but waited just to give it a chance to be solved peacefully) and kill the murderer... can I call you the one that act sectarian because you only kill the murderer.. why don't you kill one of your family members so we don;t call you sectarian!!

This again shows you don't read at all... I wasted my precious time and listed you many times were Iranians helped Sunnis against others... Just because Iran policy is to help the weak side under cruel, not-justified attacks and no body helps them...

In the opposite side, name one Shia entity Saudis or other Sunnis helped? No, I am wrong I found one... no actually three examples where Sunnis help Shia... Sunnis, Druz people in Hizbullah in Lebanon... 2- Thousands of Sunni and Christian fighters in Hashd Al Shaabi in Iraq... Sunni Afghans like Masoud helped Shia Hazaras... This shows non-Takfiri Sunnis are as nice people as Shias... The problem here is Takfiri beheaders that seem to be anything but a Sunni Muslim...

Maliki policies were completely anti Sunnis?
Saddam was Sunni... USA acted against him and Baathi terrorists... Does this make USA an anti-Sunni too? Just because Iraqis and their soldiers (who because Shia are majority there soldiers are mostly Shia too..no rocket science) fought remnants of Bathis does this makes Iraqi army anti-Sunni? This words of yours and all sorts of curses and swearing shows how desperate you and your Takfiri lot are...Stop it or you will be banned... If you feel so bad go to Syria and Iraq or Yemen... Go join your beloved Takfiris so Shia , Christians and Sunnis come to annihilate you once and for all so you can join Rasul alllah for dinner... or wish his dishes...

Afraid that I will rip you apart?
yes, every human is afraid of your type... and yes, you easily rip people apart... This is your expertise... like your LOT exploding themselves among civilians everyday
 
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we didn't declared war on any neighbor after that ,we didn't financed any war against any neighbor after that .
Unfortunately yea they should be like brothers to Muslim nation but not!!
Iran involved in Yemen , Syria,iraq etc on first place even against Pakistan secretly with alliance with afganistan for so long
 
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We are 28th using nominal figures and 18th using PPP. But South Africa is 39th (nominal) and it is still in G20.
Iran was 21th nominal couple of years ago.. due to exchange rate shift dollar power of Iran decreased... although, economy is not dollar... economy is the natural value of products and services you produce in your country... It is like when you buy a 300 g bread for 400 tomans (11 cents) or a liter of unleaded fuel for 1000 tomans (28 cents) and for you being able to buy these basic needs you need to pay up to 10 times more in countries like Turkey or most of other developed world...

In average u have to Multiply nominal numbers of Iran by at least 3.6 according to gov and 5 according to me to get the real sense of income in Iran when compared to other advanced countries..

This means economically people in Iran produce 1.37 Trillion dollars per year... and the Purchasing power per capital shows a well fare and purchasing power of around $18000 per person
 
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TEHRAN, Iran — Turki al-Faisal Al Saud’s call for regime change in Tehran, let alone his mere participation at the July 9 Mujahedeen-e-Khalq’s (MEK) annual conference in Paris, is an unprecedented move against Iran by a high-ranking Saudi royal.

Summary⎙ Print Despite all the challenges it poses for Iran, Saudi Arabia’s regional policy and strategic behavior is still not perceived as a threat in Tehran — but could failing to respond be a mistake?
Author Hassan AhmadianPosted July 18, 2016
Prior to Faisal’s statements at the MEK convention, the Saudi deputy crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, paid a 10-day visit that started on June 14 to Washington and then Paris, during which he stressed the necessity to counter the "Iranian threat.” Meanwhile, as has been the norm during his tenure so far, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, who accompanied Mohammed, went even further in his criticism of Iran's regional policy, demanding that Tehran stop “exporting its revolution.”

This situation has in fact been prevalent ever since King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud was crowned in January 2015. As such, one can assume that there has been a paradigm shift in Riyadh's regional policy, which encompasses relations with Tehran. At this point, Saudi Arabia has crossed so many unwritten rules in its dealings with Iran that some observers anticipate a war between the two nations.

Yet despite all these changes, there are no parallels in Iran’s policy toward Saudi Arabia. Even with reference to the abovementioned developments, Iran did not bother to reciprocate — at least in terms of the level of its reaction. The question as to why it did not react has two logical answers. The first would be that Iran accepts the Saudi accusation that it is the main source of instability and terror in the region. However, given internal debates on regional policy in Tehran, this assumption has no basis. The second possible answer is that Iranian elites do not perceive the Saudi moves against Iran as being of importance, in terms of their effect. This answer is more relevant in Iran’s internal debates.

In fact, Iranian elites tend to exclude Saudi Arabia from their list of perceived national security threats, even though Riyadh has ironically been the main source of threat against Iran during the past five turbulent years in the Middle East. Iranians have been witnessing aggressive acts on the part of Saudi Arabia in Iraq, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen and now even within Iran. Yet, Iranian elites still refrain from viewing Riyadh as a threat.

In the Iranian debate on Saudi Arabia’s regional policies, there have always been two viewpoints: The first and most prevalent one stresses the need for dialogue and diplomatic engagement with Riyadh as the best way to stop its hostile attitude toward Iran. Indeed, the majority within Iran’s diplomatic and political and even security apparatus hold this stance. The second and more marginal viewpoint takes Riyadh’s hostility as a threat and advocates the creation of an infrastructure to counter this threat. Notwithstanding its reasoning, this point of view has never made its way to foreign policy decision-making in Iran. Thus, Iran’s formal bureaucracy has never moved to perceive Riyadh as a threat and hence never dealt with it as such.

This perception stems from a tradition in Iran’s worldview that divides Middle Eastern states into independent and dependent ones. In the view of Iranian elites, at least in the 1980s and 1990s, Saudi Arabia was dependent and could not initiate nonaligned policies. According to this point of view, even the Saudi support for Iraq during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War was not an independently initiated Saudi policy. Thus, Saudi hostility toward Iran at that time was perceived as being somewhat beyond the will of the Saudi state. Even though this understanding of Saudi Arabia has changed in Iran during the past decade, Tehran’s approach toward Riyadh has not. As such, within the current framework of the Iranian understanding of Saudi Arabia, differences with Riyadh are seen as manageable via diplomacy. This was the case during the tenures of former Reformist President Mohammad Khatami (1997-2005) as well as Principlist President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (2005-13), and has continued under incumbent President Hassan Rouhani since 2013, too.

Another reason why Tehran in the past did not consider Riyadh as a threat was the perception of the latter’s military as weak and security as fragile. In this reading, a country with limited military might is not considered as a direct threat. Accordingly, Riyadh was perceived as so vulnerable in terms of its military and security that it would be deterred from posing any sort of direct threat against Iran. In other words, the logic behind this perception was that the risk of putting oneself in jeopardy would pre-empt threats against others. Despite Saudi Arabia’s huge military expenditure over the past decade, this perception has not changed. Indeed, there have even been voices in Tehran who despise Riyadh for what they perceive of as the Saudis' purchasing arms that they cannot use.

Despite all the changes in Saudi foreign policy, Riyadh is still perceived in Tehran almost the same way it was a decade ago. Although the voices demanding a stronger stance and a revision in Iran’s policy toward Saudi Arabia are getting louder, it seems that Iranian elites, even if they feel a need for change, still stick to the previous policy of preferring diplomatic engagement to resolve differences to avoid yet more escalation with Saudi Arabia. Thus, the main objective in Tehran is to de-escalate the situation or at the very least stop any further escalation.

Hence, despite all the challenges it poses, Riyadh’s regional policy and strategic behavior is still not perceived as a threat in Tehran. At this point, the question is thus whether Iran’s approach to de-escalation will eventually backfire. Indeed, the Iranian perception of Saudi Arabia as not constituting a direct national security threat appears to be well understood in Riyadh and may even be part of Saudi decision-makers’ calculations in their dealings with Iran. As such, Saudi decision-makers may have latitude that their Iranian counterparts are lacking. Taking developments last year as an example, Riyadh appears to not have missed an opportunity to escalate things with Tehran, in the knowledge that the Iranians will not respond in kind.

Thus, Iran’s policy of seeking to not create another source of instability in the Middle East by avoiding counterescalation in its dealings with Saudi Arabia may, in fact, very well paradoxically constitute a threat to both regional stability and Iranian national security. By avoiding a shift in policy toward Saudi Arabia, Iran may be inviting Saudi escalation against both Tehran and its allies while at the same time tying its own hands in terms of its responses. In other words, current Iranian policy can best be characterized as an inverse security dilemma that may cause more trouble than it solves.



Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...tions-turki-mek-conference.html#ixzz4F3vJIkzw
Iran and Saudi are them self reason for butchering Muslim ummah mainly in proxy wars in many countries

TEHRAN, Iran — Turki al-Faisal Al Saud’s call for regime change in Tehran, let alone his mere participation at the July 9 Mujahedeen-e-Khalq’s (MEK) annual conference in Paris, is an unprecedented move against Iran by a high-ranking Saudi royal.

Summary⎙ Print Despite all the challenges it poses for Iran, Saudi Arabia’s regional policy and strategic behavior is still not perceived as a threat in Tehran — but could failing to respond be a mistake?
Author Hassan AhmadianPosted July 18, 2016
Prior to Faisal’s statements at the MEK convention, the Saudi deputy crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, paid a 10-day visit that started on June 14 to Washington and then Paris, during which he stressed the necessity to counter the "Iranian threat.” Meanwhile, as has been the norm during his tenure so far, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, who accompanied Mohammed, went even further in his criticism of Iran's regional policy, demanding that Tehran stop “exporting its revolution.”

This situation has in fact been prevalent ever since King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud was crowned in January 2015. As such, one can assume that there has been a paradigm shift in Riyadh's regional policy, which encompasses relations with Tehran. At this point, Saudi Arabia has crossed so many unwritten rules in its dealings with Iran that some observers anticipate a war between the two nations.

Yet despite all these changes, there are no parallels in Iran’s policy toward Saudi Arabia. Even with reference to the abovementioned developments, Iran did not bother to reciprocate — at least in terms of the level of its reaction. The question as to why it did not react has two logical answers. The first would be that Iran accepts the Saudi accusation that it is the main source of instability and terror in the region. However, given internal debates on regional policy in Tehran, this assumption has no basis. The second possible answer is that Iranian elites do not perceive the Saudi moves against Iran as being of importance, in terms of their effect. This answer is more relevant in Iran’s internal debates.

In fact, Iranian elites tend to exclude Saudi Arabia from their list of perceived national security threats, even though Riyadh has ironically been the main source of threat against Iran during the past five turbulent years in the Middle East. Iranians have been witnessing aggressive acts on the part of Saudi Arabia in Iraq, Syria, Bahrain, Yemen and now even within Iran. Yet, Iranian elites still refrain from viewing Riyadh as a threat.

In the Iranian debate on Saudi Arabia’s regional policies, there have always been two viewpoints: The first and most prevalent one stresses the need for dialogue and diplomatic engagement with Riyadh as the best way to stop its hostile attitude toward Iran. Indeed, the majority within Iran’s diplomatic and political and even security apparatus hold this stance. The second and more marginal viewpoint takes Riyadh’s hostility as a threat and advocates the creation of an infrastructure to counter this threat. Notwithstanding its reasoning, this point of view has never made its way to foreign policy decision-making in Iran. Thus, Iran’s formal bureaucracy has never moved to perceive Riyadh as a threat and hence never dealt with it as such.

This perception stems from a tradition in Iran’s worldview that divides Middle Eastern states into independent and dependent ones. In the view of Iranian elites, at least in the 1980s and 1990s, Saudi Arabia was dependent and could not initiate nonaligned policies. According to this point of view, even the Saudi support for Iraq during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War was not an independently initiated Saudi policy. Thus, Saudi hostility toward Iran at that time was perceived as being somewhat beyond the will of the Saudi state. Even though this understanding of Saudi Arabia has changed in Iran during the past decade, Tehran’s approach toward Riyadh has not. As such, within the current framework of the Iranian understanding of Saudi Arabia, differences with Riyadh are seen as manageable via diplomacy. This was the case during the tenures of former Reformist President Mohammad Khatami (1997-2005) as well as Principlist President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (2005-13), and has continued under incumbent President Hassan Rouhani since 2013, too.

Another reason why Tehran in the past did not consider Riyadh as a threat was the perception of the latter’s military as weak and security as fragile. In this reading, a country with limited military might is not considered as a direct threat. Accordingly, Riyadh was perceived as so vulnerable in terms of its military and security that it would be deterred from posing any sort of direct threat against Iran. In other words, the logic behind this perception was that the risk of putting oneself in jeopardy would pre-empt threats against others. Despite Saudi Arabia’s huge military expenditure over the past decade, this perception has not changed. Indeed, there have even been voices in Tehran who despise Riyadh for what they perceive of as the Saudis' purchasing arms that they cannot use.

Despite all the changes in Saudi foreign policy, Riyadh is still perceived in Tehran almost the same way it was a decade ago. Although the voices demanding a stronger stance and a revision in Iran’s policy toward Saudi Arabia are getting louder, it seems that Iranian elites, even if they feel a need for change, still stick to the previous policy of preferring diplomatic engagement to resolve differences to avoid yet more escalation with Saudi Arabia. Thus, the main objective in Tehran is to de-escalate the situation or at the very least stop any further escalation.

Hence, despite all the challenges it poses, Riyadh’s regional policy and strategic behavior is still not perceived as a threat in Tehran. At this point, the question is thus whether Iran’s approach to de-escalation will eventually backfire. Indeed, the Iranian perception of Saudi Arabia as not constituting a direct national security threat appears to be well understood in Riyadh and may even be part of Saudi decision-makers’ calculations in their dealings with Iran. As such, Saudi decision-makers may have latitude that their Iranian counterparts are lacking. Taking developments last year as an example, Riyadh appears to not have missed an opportunity to escalate things with Tehran, in the knowledge that the Iranians will not respond in kind.

Thus, Iran’s policy of seeking to not create another source of instability in the Middle East by avoiding counterescalation in its dealings with Saudi Arabia may, in fact, very well paradoxically constitute a threat to both regional stability and Iranian national security. By avoiding a shift in policy toward Saudi Arabia, Iran may be inviting Saudi escalation against both Tehran and its allies while at the same time tying its own hands in terms of its responses. In other words, current Iranian policy can best be characterized as an inverse security dilemma that may cause more trouble than it solves.



Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...tions-turki-mek-conference.html#ixzz4F3vJIkzw
Both iran and Saudi Arabia need to shut up for sale of Islam or Muslim ummah and behave like good boys
 
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Why dont you reply to me directly you little prIck. Afraid that I will rip you apart?
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Because I`d probably be wasting my breath on someone who is either a sub human wahabist or is so retarded he honestly cant see the difference between wahabism and those who oppose it and are trying to stop it and instead prefers to see it as some sectarian battle between equals,its as stupid as saying that theres no difference between a criminal armed with a gun and a policeman armed with a gun.Its not iran playing the sectarian card its the wahabists who are doing that by going around killing or enslaving anyone who isnt a wahabist when they arent killing their fellow sunnis that is.What do you expect iran to do? just sit back and let the wahabists do as they wish?,if the sunni world cant take out its own garbage is that irans fault?,frankly it seems to me that you have bought into the saudi "sectarian" propaganda narrative lock stock and barrel.
 
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they regard us as lesser people
this maybe true back in early Islam but today it is the opposite.. I,m saying it because I,m almost one of them... lived among them for long... although most of Arabs are honorable and nice people
 
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Iran and Saudi are them self reason for butchering Muslim ummah mainly in proxy wars in many countries


Both iran and Saudi Arabia need to shut up for sale of Islam or Muslim ummah and behave like good boys
Well, I think it is a progress that at the very least now the Ummah is recognizing KSA's role in the instability of the region.

The problems in the region has nothing to do with Iran, if anything Iran is trying to contain the madness from spreading to other areas.
 
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Well, I think it is a progress that at the very least now the Ummah is recognizing KSA's role in the instability of the region.

The problems in the region has nothing to do with Iran, if anything Iran is trying to contain the madness from spreading to other areas.
I hope so all Muslim countries aside there sectarian issues try to unite if they are serious to safeguard u!man and themselves
 
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Iran and Saudi are them self reason for butchering Muslim ummah mainly in proxy wars in many countries
A friend of mine here explained this very good. He said Nazis and allied forces were both having guns and killing tens of millions in Europe and Asia... Can we call Allied forces as guilty? Think about it for second.. Think for God sake
 
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