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Why Iran needs to fight Saudi Arabia to forge peace

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What we have learned from this thread:

Iranians are super power. and STRONK.
Iranians have a bigger economy than Oman.
Iran will soon take the whole Mediterranean sea.
Mullahs are proud Muslims.(lol)

You missed Iranians are the only civilized people in the Middle East and South Asia! 8-):p:

I guess that's expected because Iranians are white


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This one is even better!

 
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LOL! very hot thread.

all united against humanity. that is why i am right india is ally of criminal usa saudi israel. in capitaliism there is one or few bill gates and their good rich servants while rest people all 10 10 dollars plus one credit card to make them happy.

Ghandhi Jee is long gone so as humanity in india. he would have never allowed india to ally with usa or isarel or saudi or make atomic bombs. india needs another ghandhi jee to ally with Islamic IRAN.
Says the USA puppet country who give them base to invade Afghanistan and bomb their own people. Quite a idol to follow but we will catch up for sure.

Thanks for your useful input.
 
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only civilized people

Thats why they are following Mullah's of Arab origin? yeah i agree you gangalnders are uncivilized people but ancestors of us Pakistanis were founder of Indus valley civilization along with Gandhara civilization..
 
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But We Indians are not human to you so why bother?

Which part of my wording implies it? when did I say it? I've even criticized Iran's Gov in many issues ...
 
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Bah ajahzetoon. I would like to preface this first that I am a first generation Iranian American (born in the US), and I do fully acknowledge myself as American and I love my country very much but I also have a deep cultural and emotional conection with Iran since I have been there over 5 times (each time I go I stay for at least 2-3 months)and I know the people and food, history etc...

My question regarding this thread is that I want to get an honest answer on Iran's performance and overall survivability factor in engaging a war with any of its neighbors especially ones like Isreal and Saudi Arabia (I honestly don't think that Iran and Pakistan will ever have a full on shooting war).

I know Iran has thousands of ballistic missiles as well as tel's and cruise missiles but that is a deterrent and can't be used in the first stages of the war at least I don't think it can. Also from my lurking at Iranmilitaryforum ( I had lurked for about 5 years, never made an account) I gather the sense that Iranians fully beleive that they can defeat any oposing military even if it be nuclear with far superior weaponry.

If some one from Iran ideally would explain in detail ( or as best as you can) what makes Iran so dangerous to attack.

I would like to note that I had viewed almost all of yavar's post on iranmilitaryforum and agreed with 97% of the things he had said and or posted. I also know of Iran's military strategy of misleading it's enemies into believing it's stronger or weeker then it may seem and revealing false military programs in order to hide the real ones.

And again I want to say I love Iran with all my heart it's people culture food.

Peace and love also hello to everyone lol.
Hello ,

Seems like your question was lost in middle of the quarrel.

Please note that when the title says fight, it doesn't mean starting a war. It says Iran should return the favor to put them in their place. For example, I don't know if you heard that right now, any ship that is destined for Iran or coming from Iran is not allowed to enter KSA's waters. It is a very aggressive policy that Iran can easily respond to but saying ok, so from now on, no ship that is heading to KSA or leaving KSA can pass through Strait of Hormoz which is Iranian territory and will effectively kill KSA's seaborn trade in Persian Gulf.

To answer your second question, Iran's military is not designed for aggression or invasion. Iran, due to the sanctions and many other factors, has designed its armed forces in a defensive way. As you can see, even when it is asked for help by a foreign country like Syria or Iraq in their war, there are not formal military divisions dispatched to those countries like the ones Russia has dispatched. There are many reasons for that and one is the fact that Iran doesn't want its actions to turn into a sectarian war between Shia and Sonies so it usually interferes indirectly.

In case of a real war between Iran and KSA, or any other regional country, Iran hopes to effectively destroy the opponents' air force and vital infrastructure using its missiles. That's why the biggest portion of Iran's military R&D is being spent on missiles and increasing their precision and destructive power. At the same time, Iran realizes its weakness in air warfare so it is working on its ballistic missiles and likes to use them in a tactical way to make up for shortcomings in the areas like strategic bombers. For example, now Iran has anti radiation ballistic missiles that are supposed to take out the enemy's radars in the first wave, then it has cluster warheads that drop tens of small bomblets which are designed to destroy the airport runways and that way paralyze enemy's air force. And in the end it has cruise and ballistic missiles with heavy warheads that can be used against enemy's vital infrastructure. Overall the hope is that after 3-4 days of sustained missile raids, enemy's radars, airports, ports, power plants, refineries, bridges and etc will be all destroyed. That should bring the enemy to negotiation table and if not, there is not much that such a messed up country could do to Iran anymore.

On the other hand, the other area that Iran is assigning most of its R&D budget to is AA defense and Radars. Iran is among the very few countries possessing OTH radars and is heavily working on passive detection which can track and pinpoint enemy's jets and missiles without emitting any signals rendering enemy's anti-radiation missiles useless. Iran is currently deploying the S-300 system and is also working on a similar home made version that is supposed to be up and running next year. It already possesses a large variety of low and mid range AA missile systems that are effective against drones, jets and cruise missiles. Again, this is supposed to make up for Iran's air force short coming on the defensive side.

Hope fully that answered your question.
 
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They have a penchant for making enemies with everyone. Look at how many bridges they've burnt.



This is how grateful they are, bhai. We traded with them when no one else would and they repay us by sticking their nose where it doesn't belong and saying we are oppressing people.

My father summarized it best:

"No matter how much you help them out they will always view you as a kafir."



Real civilized

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farsis are the antithesis of civilized.



Nothing brings them greater joy than terrorism. They thrive on human misery. They're basically schadenfraude the country.
If you only were literate enough to know the meaning os MARG BAR AMRICA you would never say such an stupid thing and make a clown out of yourself... Marg bar amrika does not mean to wish death to every American... In Persian it means Down to the government of USA... Like Iranian enemies of all sort who wishes the same for Iran in different kind of forms and words... So, not only marg bar Amrika...but also to Israhel, Al Yahud (Saudis) and any government who tries to harm Iran and Iranians....

Farsi or Persian is the pillar of civilization... Not that I,m saying... Every scholar and important person (those whose head is worth on their body unlike you fake internet uncivilized warriors) in world says so... Heck the world back in ancient times did n't even wear pants... Persians brought it to them...

Yes, if by terrorism you mean defending Muslims against animals like Zionsits or Saddam or Takfiri Wahabbis I,m glad to be one of them... but if by terrorism you mean 15 out of 19 terrorists behind 9/11 were Saudi nationals then no... Thanks it suits you and your type from your faction of Islam a lot :disagree:

For more info of how civilization is a word equal to Iran and Persia read some below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Iran
Iranian civilization translated into Iran being as one of the or the richest nation on earth in so many forms of civilization... Heck let me name some of the things that you and your beloved Saudis dont' even use today that were first invented by Persians or Iranians ;

Pants, Ice cream, post, taxing System, using goats, Brick (yes to build a roof over your head), Banking System, wine, Guitar (in form of Tar as its earliest form), Zoroastrianism (as the first prophet of a monotheistic faith), Cheque (as a Bank Check), Spinach, Staple, Wind Catchers, refregator, Suez Canal, Alcohol in Medicine, windmill, cookie, hospital, Algebra, etc... Helll, even paper was introduced to Europe by Persians...

Few of above list of invented parsi creations is the foundation of civilizations... Most of these were started using by Iranians thousands of years ago and you and your tribal Saudi masters don't even use today!!

This is why Obama says:
Obama on Iran : 'Yours Is a Great Civilization with a Vibrant Culture ...
 
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Things were much better before the 1979 revolution that brought Khomeni to power. A significant number of Iranians here are in denial about their regime's serious problems. Their denial is shown only to outsiders. Among themselves, they talk freely and expose their regime's poor economic and political management. I was sitting with a CEO of a big Saudi company last week and I was amazed to hear him saying that he was traveling to Shiraz for tourism with his friends when he was 16 years old (he is now in about 60). This is now considered an insane thing to do by most of our people, but appeared to be so normal back then. The lesson is, clergy will mess around when they are given too much power. That's simply what happened.
 
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Thats why they are following Mullah's of Arab origin? yeah i agree you gangalnders are uncivilized people but ancestors of us Pakistanis were founder of Indus valley civilization along with Gandhara civilization..
u stone ager uncivilized person... If the words of Muhammad and his family and the way they lived and acted was from a family in Senegal I would gladly choose it... It does not contradicts the fact and nature of the people whom Muhammad sent by God to them to be guided from misery... The fact that Muhammad was sent to this people first it means they were in a very bad situation.. heck imagine what they were that after 14 centuries they became this!! :angel::angel:

btw, we are not against Arabs as a race.. They are not very distant from us or other Caucasians... except those afro-Arabs of course... Iranians more have problem with Saudi, Wahhabi type of fake Islam that kills innocent people like cowards and finish their actions as Muslims... All Arabs are our brothers except those that act devil..

Things were much better before the 1979 revolution that brought Khomeni to power. A significant number of Iranians here are in denial about their regime's serious problems. Their denial is shown only to outsiders. Among themselves, they talk freely and expose their regime's poor economic and political management. I was sitting with a CEO of a big Saudi company last week and I was amazed to hear him saying that he was traveling to Shiraz for tourism with his friends when he was 16 years old (he is now in about 60). This is now considered an insane thing to do by most of our people, but appeared to be so normal back then. The lesson is, clergy will mess around when they are given too much power. That's simply what happened.
You keep dreaming about half a century ago... we live today... Half a century ago... heck... even couple of decades ago... there were no emirates, Bahrain was Iranians island... go back few more... my granma remembers a day where there was Palestine and no Israhel.. He recalls a day where Haifa was a tourist destination for Iranians...

btw, let me help you overcome your obsession with Iran and Persia buddy... Accept that your vote does n't matter for how Iran must be or is it better or worse... It is to us Iranians to say if we like it better or not... and no.. I know we have lots of problems in Iran today.. but at the same time we have highlights that you and your tribe can only dream of for centuries... I fight locally to fix problems myself... but never care about a desert tribal person in its atheist form opinions about Iran... It is us... and ours... a source of pride for all of us... we enjoy and are proud Iranians who enjoy greens of Iran and despise and help to fix red aspects of my land and home...

You better focus on your tribal loser system with lots of failure in almost every aspect
 
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u stone ager uncivilized person... If the words of Muhammad and his family and the way they lived and acted was from a family in Senegal I would gladly choose it... It does not contradicts the fact and nature of the people whom Muhammad sent by God to them to be guided from misery... The fact that Muhammad was sent to this people first it means they were in a very bad situation.. heck imagine what they were that after 14 centuries they became this!! :angel::angel:

btw, we are not against Arabs as a race.. They are not very distant from us or other Caucasians... except those afro-Arabs of course... Iranians more have problem with Saudi, Wahhabi type of fake Islam that kills innocent people like cowards and finish their actions as Muslims... All Arabs are our brothers except those that act devil..


You keep dreaming about half a century ago... we live today... Half a century ago... heck... even couple of decades ago... there were no emirates, Bahrain was Iranians island... go back few more... my granma remembers a day where there was Palestine and no Israhel.. He recalls a day where Haifa was a tourist destination for Iranians...

You are very often defensive and tend to justify whatever the Iranian regime does. That does affect your credibility and seriousness. Most educated and well-read people do consider the Phalavi era to be much more progressive to Iran than the revolutionary era. The Iranian people are generally the first victim of their own regime. They avoid admitting it before outsiders because they hate the cheap laugh that can be made against them (especially if such laugh comes from the tazi Arabs soosmar-khor that they can't stand).
 
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Things were much better before the 1979 revolution that brought Khomeni to power. A significant number of Iranians here are in denial about their regime's serious problems. Their denial is shown only to outsiders. Among themselves, they talk freely and expose their regime's poor economic and political management. I was sitting with a CEO of a big Saudi company last week and I was amazed to hear him saying that he was traveling to Shiraz for tourism with his friends when he was 16 years old (he is now in about 60). This is now considered an insane thing to do by most of our people, but appeared to be so normal back then. The lesson is, clergy will mess around when they are given too much power. That's simply what happened.
btw, happy marriage... I have heard you are married at last...

You are very often defensive and tend to justify whatever the Iranian regime does. That does affect your credibility and seriousness. Most educated and well-read people do consider the Phalavi era to be much more progressive to Iran than the revolutionary era. The Iranian people are generally the first victim of their own regime. They avoid admitting it before outsiders because they hate the cheap laugh that can be made against them (especially if such laugh comes from the tazi Arabs soosmar-khor that they can't stand).
لا یا خیی... منه مظبوط
I am old enough to remember how Iran was doing before revolution... I actually was preparing for national uni exam by rev... so I recall everything... It was n't as you may think...
 
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btw, happy marriage... I have heard you are married at last...


لا یا خیی... منه مظبوط
I am old enough to remember how Iran was doing before revolution... I actually was preparing for national uni exam by rev... so I recall everything... It was n't as you may think...

Are you working for the IRGC? and in particular for Hezbollah Lebanon? Your Lebanese accent is strong and it does indicate spending sometime in Lebanon. Most Iranians who travel to Lebanon are related one way or another to Hezbollah, and you wouldn't be an exception. That might explain your continued defensiveness.
 
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Thats why they are following Mullah's of Arab origin? yeah i agree you gangalnders are uncivilized people but ancestors of us Pakistanis were founder of Indus valley civilization along with Gandhara civilization..
funny that a few weeks ago.. I had 4 guests from Pakistan in Iran... I know the older guy from uni days...They are from respected and of course rich layer of Islamabad citizens.. I gave them a tour to Mashhad (not the first city of Iran).. and just because a young fella among them asked me to show him ups and downs of Iran I took them to the parts of city no body recommends... He said, he wants to know the truth about Iran as there is little info out there as he has an offer from a big Iranian company to work for them (programming for a industrial refrigeration systems producer)... I recall expressions like: wow... I,m shocked... It,s like Europe.. It is so clean.. The cars sucks (later when he found out my car is Made in Iran he gave me the biggest wow although its not the best car in the world (IKCO DENA)... Is this the average Iranians neibhourhood? No, I replied.. It is the worst part or as we call it "Payin Shahr"... Then I took the youngest guy to a good neibhourhood... The moment he saw BMWs, Benz, Porches cars he said.. we are told by media in Pakistan that these stuff is only found in West and Arab countries... Then I explained to him that we have at least %20 poor people too... and that after exchange rate rose due to sanctions our salaries means shhit these days... although still high to his eyes... (my salary for my job as economist is between 2900000 to 3200000 depending on the benefits and it was something like 1800 to $2000 three years ago but now only worth $840 to $915... Younger employee are even worse.. They get some thing between 1700000 to 2000000....)

So based on my impression my **** friends loved it and got shocked also... I know Iran is not in the same level as Europe but still much closer to them than you... for reference google HDI ranking of nations

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Are you working for the IRGC? and in particular for Hezbollah Lebanon? Your Lebanese accent is strong and it does indicate spending sometime in Lebanon. Most Iranians who travel to Lebanon are related one way or another to Hezbollah, and you wouldn't be an exception. That might explain your continued defensiveness.
No, habibi... I was teaching in Beirut back in 1990s..
 
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