Why Iran needs to fight Saudi Arabia to forge peace

[raptor22]

Well actually we don't see ourselves in conflict with Islam , it's your own interpretation ... what is that pattern that
goes deep into Islamic history right from the beginning of Islam?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Well actually we don't see ourselves in conflict with Islam , it's your own interpretation ... what is that pattern that
goes deep into Islamic history right from the beginning of Islam?

Read my comments again. Pattern is very clearly laid out and easy to understand unless you dont want to. In your perception you might not be in conflict with Islam, but you do find yourself with other Muslims as adversaries throughout your history which to the date, keep on happening unabated.

 

[raptor22]

Read my comments again. Pattern is very clearly laid out and easy to understand unless you dont want to. In your perception you might not be in conflict with Islam, but you do find yourself with other Muslims as adversaries throughout your history which to the date, keep on happening unabated.

No nation served Islam more than Iranian ... in fact Iranian have contributed in Islam more than any other nations .... so we your outlook is wrong .. we don't see other Muslims as adversaries.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

No nation served Islam more than Iranian ... in fact Iranian have contributed in Islam more than any other nations .... so we your outlook is wrong .. we don't see other Muslims as adversaries.

You fought against the Muslims armies of Caplih Umer, you tried to kill the undisputed hero of Islamic world Sallahudin Ayubi (Assassins link), You fought against Ottomons, you fought against the Iraqis, You are fighting in Iraq, Syria, Yemen based on sectarian non sense. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but this patterns is too obvious to ignore.

For whatever reasons, right or wrong, you have managed to find yourself fighting against the other Muslims throughout.

Lets keep the open ended debate of who serve Islam the most for some other time.

 

[raptor22]

You fought against the Muslims armies of Caplih Umer, you tried to kill the undisputed hero of Islamic world Sallahudin Ayubi (Assassins link), You fought against Ottomons, you fought against the Iraqis, You are fighting in Iraq, Syria, Yemen based on sectarian non sense. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but this patterns is too obvious to ignore.

For whatever reasons, right or wrong, you have managed to find yourself fighting against the other Muslims throughout.

Lets keep the open ended debate of who serve Islam the most for some other time.

We are Muslim but it doesn't mean if a Muslim country attack us we should remain silence .. and history is full of Muslim nations fighting each other ..it's not only about Iran ...
for example it was Ottomons who attacked Iran and occupied some part of Iran, do you expect Iranian to through red carpet for them?

Iranian has highest contribution in Islam more than any other Muslim nation and you talk about finding yourself fighting against the other Muslims throughout ? by the way look at this:

 

[scythian500]

Let me ask you again in simple English.

All your conflicts/wars that you are involved in, name me one when the adversary is/was NOT a fellow Muslim entitiry? Is that clear or you are still struggling?

We dislodged the Soviets, the super power of that time from Afghanistan and free its people from the forigen occupation. What do you mean by "it involved another fellow muslim country"? We were not fighting the Afghans, we were aiding them, fighting along side them to free their lands.

WTH!! What a naive tribal excuse... Did u really expect to sit down do nothing let the Saddam backed by all sorts of evil forces attack Iran and Iran doing nothing Just because they are Muslim!!? If most of Muslim nations are illiterate and puppet in a way that they are direct army for non-Muslims, trying to achieve what non-Muslims could n't... if the Muslims are under command of a devil worshiper like Saddam... should we really let do what he and his masters of ignorance were up to?

If there one who start Invasion was Iran, announcing they will match in Tehran in a week or so, I would think about your false argument...

If Sunni states are so much into slavery of their masters that they are ready to start a secterian war of Sunni Vs Shia just to achieve what USA, ISRAHEL and UK could n't do and their puppets find it as an opportunity to finally fight Iran and its allies who by chance are absolute enemies and restrains against ISraeli dreams, do you really expect us to give up and do whatever they say just because they are so called Muslims!!?

Iran went into so many wars in last 37 years in different levels...

1- Defending against Saddam aggression = well, we were under invasion.. Only a weak and slave nation won't do what Iran did...

2- Afghanistan under attack by Soviets= Iran helped North Alliance or Masoud with whatever she could (helping Muslims)

3- Bosnia under attack by Serbs and Soviets = Iran sent advisers and weapon and fighters (Helping Sunni Muslims)

4- Taliban attacked Iranian consulate in Afghanistan = Iran dispatched a few divisions to the border aiming to free Afghanistan of these beheaders who happened to be CIA, SAUDI creations = Saudi, UAE, Arab Council, IOC, UN meddling begging not to invade Afgh = Iran asked for reparations and apology.= Taliban said we didn't do it and we are sorry.. (Helping Muslims against Savage CIA animals)
5- Beheader Takfiris invaded Syria and Iran by forces from 91 different countries = Iran had security pacts with Syria and had to move to help them on their legitimate govetnment request. Iraqi democratically elected gov again requested Iran to move to help them overnight = Iran did so..

6- Sunni Iraqi Kurdistan and its capital Erbil was under surprise attack = Their gov asked Iran to help = Iran sent troops, advisers and loads of weaponry overnight...litterally overnight defending Sunni Kurds against Savage CIA animals...

now, you tell me while putting the blind prejedous aside:

Don't you expect any powerfull nation to do so? Do they wait to see if they are calling themselves Muslims or not?

What threat became futile just because they said... hey... it is true that you are an invader..but since we both are Christians... I won't fight you back... you come help yourself do whatever you like... rape our women... behead our children... the land is yours!!!

Europeans attacked and defended their land and people hundreds of time in last 2000 years while most of them were of the same religion...

Wake up brother... The scene of the world is not as you think... It is a jungle... Powerful nations try to eat others... Sometimes they use others trying to achieve that... Powerful nations want all... Weak nations will lose and be eaten... Iran is there for thousands of years because he fights ZOLM by all its forms... be it a so called Muslim country or non-Muslim...

Instead of justifying the horror... find the root cause... Is it really Iran who starts to massacre Shias in each and every country they are a part of? Do you expect Iran to let Takfiri states and terrorist groups to do whatever they like and kill as more innocent Shia as they can? Is it Shias ho explode themselves among Sunni innocent people everyday? Is it Iran who installs minorities in power? Is it Iran who uses Sunni-Shia words in its media everyday? Have you seen Al Arabiyeh or Al Jazirrah? They use intentional provocative words and expressions every minute for decades... If you watch Iranian media you see there is nothing like Shia against Sunni... Or sunni against Shia... Be a man of Insaf as you call it... Think if you are in position of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for a minute... Watch Saudi, Qatari and other Arab media and tell me for God sake who is doing a favor to non-Muslims... ? Iran wishes million times non of these happens.. but we can not sit back waiting for these fake Muslims to exterminate us and the world...

Why the whole world dispise Islam and Muslim all by sudden after a long time? What made people of the world to hate Islam this much, getting ready to fight it?

Yes, So called Takfiri, Salafi, Wahhabi savages that behead children in front of camera chanting loud.. ALLAHU AKBAR!!! ALLAHU AKBAR...

Yes, 19 Saudi Majority nationals blow innocents in two cilvian towers in NY chanting Allahu Akbar...

Shia people were a source of kindness, humanity, logic and love for non-Muslims... This is the impression we gave... This is why Christians, Alevits, even Sunni or even non-Abrahamic believers such as Yazidis are taking refuge into the arms of Shia forces in all through out Syria and Iraq... They know how Muslim we are...

Be fair.. Don't hide yourself... Be brave... Come out of your ignorance... Recognize the problem..and then fix it on your behalf...

No non-Muslim believe these Wahhabi baby beheaders are fake Muslims...

Be wise.. Be fair.. Be a Muslim

 

[Taimoor Khan]

We are Muslim but it doesn't mean if a Muslim country attack us we should remain silence .. and history is full of Muslim nations fighting each other ..it's not only about Iran ...
for example it was Ottomons who attacked Iran and occupied some part of Iran, do you expect Iranian to through red carpet for them?

Iranian has highest contribution in Islam more than any other Muslim nation and you talk about finding yourself fighting against the other Muslims throughout ? by the way look at this:

As I said, I am not going into the debate as to who attacked who or who was right or wrong because as third party, there is always the other side of the story as well. Who served Islam in what capacity, that debate is open ended as well. And yes I agree, history is full of events when Muslims went against each other. BUT for you lot, atleast once show me in your history that you have stood up as a country/nation against the forces of kuffar? Atleast Ottomons fought against the non Muslims for majority of their conflicts. If history is tainted, does that mean the present has to be the same ? What is happening in Iraq, Syria and Yemen as we speak got anything to do with other Muslim nations attacking you? Who is inciting these senseless sectarian killing spree in greater middle east? I can bet my mortgage that if you do the survey in your country today as to who pose the risk most to your national security, Saudi Arabia will top the list. And perhaps same goes for Saudi Arabia. And here we are talking about self proclaimed "Champions of Islam".

Here in Pakistan we got clearly defined threat perceptions to our national security and non of them comes from any Muslim nation or country.

 

[scythian500]

I can't understand the concept of the "kafir state" and "modern day crusaders" .... you mean we should fight all states around the globe that ain't Muslim?

This is a Takfiri agenda.. To name other nations as Kafir and then trying to annihilate them from the life God has given them... It,s very dangerous and to my eyes very much fake.. It is not Islam as Islam... They are tools in hands of smarter nations.. Illiteracy and absence of logic is the cause and cure...

As I said, I am not going into the debate as to who attacked who or who was right or wrong because as third party, there is always the other side of the story as well. Who served Islam in what capacity, that debate is open ended as well. And yes I agree, history is full of events when Muslims went against each other. BUT for you lot, atleast once show me in your history that you have stood up as a country/nation against the forces of kuffar? Atleast Ottomons fought against the non Muslims for majority of their conflicts. If history is tainted, does that mean the present has to be the same ? What is happening in Iraq, Syria and Yemen as we speak got anything to do with other Muslim nations attacking you? Who is inciting these senseless sectarian killing spree in greater middle east? I can bet my mortgage that if you do the survey in your country today as to who pose the risk most to your national security, Saudi Arabia will top the list. And perhaps same goes for Saudi Arabia. And here we are talking about self proclaimed "Champions of Islam".

Here in Pakistan we got clearly defined threat perceptions to our national security and non of them comes from any Muslim nation or country.

You better read Iranian history before coming up with stupid questions.. like name one non-Muslim nation you defended yourself against in your history? Or maybe you mean.. name one non-Muslim nation you attacked first!!! What a savage logic... Read Iranians history first buddy... Iranians are there for thousands of years as a united nation... We fought the West for at least 1200 years before Islam and fought numerous non-Muslim states after Islam.. If you read our history you know how Nadir Shah that conquered your India (yes you were a part of Iran by then as Pakistan), also fought and defeated Russia empire up north... or how Safavids fought and defeated Portuguese forces in South... We had many wars with non Muslims.. some of them a loss... some of the a win... but we as Islamic Republic corrected our ancestor's savage practices to invade other nations with no reason... We no are in a very powerful state of defense against threats.. we are peaceful.. we only defend ourselves against threats... Although recently it has changed too... Iran decided to go to war beyond borders so we don't have to fight the enemy on our borders...

You better come off the horse of Takfiri mentality too... the sooner the better for yourself and the humanity...

Like those brainwashed illiterate takfiris that when asked why you want to blow yourself before mid day, up among totally innocent civilians who by chance are all Muslims too... (sometimes even blow themselves among prayer in a mosque!!), they respond with passion, they want to meet Rasoul al Allah for launch... Even funnier when a trooper who captured him told him "ok, we will kill you after launch so you go wash prophet's dishes!!"

With this Islam is doomed... I guarantee that... Prophet's body in grave is shaking every second of their actions...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

WTH!! What a naive tribal excuse... Did u really expect to sit down do nothing let the Saddam backed by all sorts of evil forces attack Iran and Iran doing nothing Just because they are Muslim!!? If most of Muslim nations are illiterate and puppet in a way that they are direct army for non-Muslims, trying to achieve what non-Muslims could n't... if the Muslims are under command of a devil worshiper like Saddam... should we really let do what he and his masters of ignorance were up to?

If there one who start Invasion was Iran, announcing they will match in Tehran in a week or so, I would think about your false argument...

If Sunni states are so much into slavery of their masters that they are ready to start a secterian war of Sunni Vs Shia just to achieve what USA, ISRAHEL and UK could n't do and their puppets find it as an opportunity to finally fight Iran and its allies who by chance are absolute enemies and restrains against ISraeli dreams, do you really expect us to give up and do whatever they say just because they are so called Muslims!!?

Iran went into so many wars in last 37 years in different levels...

1- Defending against Saddam aggression = well, we were under invasion.. Only a weak and slave nation won't do what Iran did...

2- Afghanistan under attack by Soviets= Iran helped North Alliance or Masoud with whatever she could (helping Muslims)

3- Bosnia under attack by Serbs and Soviets = Iran sent advisers and weapon and fighters (Helping Sunni Muslims)

4- Taliban attacked Iranian consulate in Afghanistan = Iran dispatched a few divisions to the border aiming to free Afghanistan of these beheaders who happened to be CIA, SAUDI creations = Saudi, UAE, Arab Council, IOC, UN meddling begging not to invade Afgh = Iran asked for reparations and apology.= Taliban said we didn't do it and we are sorry.. (Helping Muslims against Savage CIA animals)
5- Beheader Takfiris invaded Syria and Iran by forces from 91 different countries = Iran had security pacts with Syria and had to move to help them on their legitimate govetnment request. Iraqi democratically elected gov again requested Iran to move to help them overnight = Iran did so..

6- Sunni Iraqi Kurdistan and its capital Erbil was under surprise attack = Their gov asked Iran to help = Iran sent troops, advisers and loads of weaponry overnight...litterally overnight defending Sunni Kurds against Savage CIA animals...

now, you tell me while putting the blind prejedous aside:

Don't you expect any powerfull nation to do so? Do they wait to see if they are calling themselves Muslims or not?

What threat became futile just because they said... hey... it is true that you are an invader..but since we both are Christians... I won't fight you back... you come help yourself do whatever you like... rape our women... behead our children... the land is yours!!!

Europeans attacked and defended their land and people hundreds of time in last 2000 years while most of them were of the same religion...

Wake up brother... The scene of the world is not as you think... It is a jungle... Powerful nations try to eat others... Sometimes they use others trying to achieve that... Powerful nations want all... Weak nations will lose and be eaten... Iran is there for thousands of years because he fights ZOLM by all its forms... be it a so called Muslim country or non-Muslim...

Instead of justifying the horror... find the root cause... Is it really Iran who starts to massacre Shias in each and every country they are a part of? Do you expect Iran to let Takfiri states and terrorist groups to do whatever they like and kill as more innocent Shia as they can? Is it Shias ho explode themselves among Sunni innocent people everyday? Is it Iran who installs minorities in power? Is it Iran who uses Sunni-Shia words in its media everyday? Have you seen Al Arabiyeh or Al Jazirrah? They use intentional provocative words and expressions every minute for decades... If you watch Iranian media you see there is nothing like Shia against Sunni... Or sunni against Shia... Be a man of Insaf as you call it... Think if you are in position of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for a minute... Watch Saudi, Qatari and other Arab media and tell me for God sake who is doing a favor to non-Muslims... ? Iran wishes million times non of these happens.. but we can not sit back waiting for these fake Muslims to exterminate us and the world...

Why the whole world dispise Islam and Muslim all by sudden after a long time? What made people of the world to hate Islam this much, getting ready to fight it?

Yes, So called Takfiri, Salafi, Wahhabi savages that behead children in front of camera chanting loud.. ALLAHU AKBAR!!! ALLAHU AKBAR...

Yes, 19 Saudi Majority nationals blow innocents in two cilvian towers in NY chanting Allahu Akbar...

Shia people were a source of kindness, humanity, logic and love for non-Muslims... This is the impression we gave... This is why Christians, Alevits, even Sunni or even non-Abrahamic believers such as Yazidis are taking refuge into the arms of Shia forces in all through out Syria and Iraq... They know how Muslim we are...

Be fair.. Don't hide yourself... Be brave... Come out of your ignorance... Recognize the problem..and then fix it on your behalf...

No non-Muslim believe these Wahhabi baby beheaders are fake Muslims...

Be wise.. Be fair.. Be a Muslim

As I said earlier to some other member that I am not going to get into the debate of Iran/Iraq war which from outside looked completely f'ed up as far as Muslim unity goes. There are always two sides of the story. Problem is, your history is full of events where you find yourself against the adversary who happen to be Muslims as well. This is no coincident, the problem with you lot is that you still live in past of Persian empire glory which should have be shed long time ago. Your misplaced egos and bravado is causing so much pain and suffering in greater middle east. And please stop using religion as the smoke screen for your ambitions for once.

Do you know how ISIS came into being in Iraq? They were the ex bathist who madeup the ISIS when the Shia government in Bagdad fully supported by Iran prosecuted the sunnis and sidelined them in country affair. You can easily jump to conclusions without looking into as to what happened in Iraq. You are siding with a minority leader in Syria who is butchering his country Sunni majority for years. And if you haven't cause enough mayhem, came the Yemen episode. Baharin is another example but luckily it hasnt imploded in full fleged civil war thanks to Pakistani servicemen who are keeping law and order situation under control there.

Your down with America and Israel chants are simply not cutting the ice anymore tbh. Your generals are coming back home in coffins from far distance lands such a Syria, YET dont have balls to go little further west and challenge Israel.

Its about time, you lot get out of your delusion of grandeur and stop this hallucination of conquering Muslim lands for the sake of empire and take a step back, and have your "hang on a minute" moment. For once take your sectarian glasses off and look at bigger picture and see how much damage this tussle between Mullah of Qom and Wahabi lot in SA is doing to the Islamic world in general, middle east in particular. This is doing nothing but benefiting those who you chant death to in your public rallies. If you think that house of saud is tribal which they are, you lot arent different maybe not in your makeup but in your actions.

 

[raptor22]

As I said, I am not going into the debate as to who attacked who or who was right or wrong because as third party, there is always the other side of the story as well. Who served Islam in what capacity, that debate is open ended as well. And yes I agree, history is full of events when Muslims went against each other. BUT for you lot, atleast once show me in your history that you have stood up as a country/nation against the forces of kuffar? Atleast Ottomons fought against the non Muslims for majority of their conflicts. If history is tainted, does that mean the present has to be the same ? What is happening in Iraq, Syria and Yemen as we speak got anything to do with other Muslim nations attacking you? Who is inciting these senseless sectarian killing spree in greater middle east? I can bet my mortgage that if you do the survey in your country today as to who pose the risk most to your national security, Saudi Arabia will top the list. And perhaps same goes for Saudi Arabia. And here we are talking about self proclaimed "Champions of Islam".

Here in Pakistan we got clearly defined threat perceptions to our national security and non of them comes from any Muslim nation or country.

Actually you can not ignore right side in a war and meanwhile question whys and wherefores of its involvement in a probable war you should go into the debate to know who attacked who or who was right or wrong otherwise your entire discussion is stupid and absurd ... moreover wars btw Muslims started after departure of the prophet (pbuh) and many Sahabe fought each other and neglected prophet teaching .. so go ask them too.
Ottmoans fought non-Muslims 'cause they were neighbor with them they also Ottmans attacked us too .. and we fought Mogols and turned them to decent Muslims while before that they were ISIS of their own time .....
We fought Spain , England, Russians and Americans through out history ...
And our main enemy which pose a threat to us as we always publicly stated is the USA and israel .

As I said earlier to some other member that I am not going to get into the debate of Iran/Iraq war which from outside looked completely f'ed up as far as Muslim unity goes. There are always two sides of the story. Problem is, your history is full of events where you find yourself against the adversary who happen to be Muslims as well. This is no coincident, the problem with you lot is that you still live in past of Persian empire glory which should have be shed long time ago. Your misplaced egos and bravado is causing so much pain and suffering in greater middle east. And please stop using religion as the smoke screen for your ambitions for once.

Do you know how ISIS came into being in Iraq? They were the ex bathist who madeup the ISIS when the Shia government in Bagdad fully supported by Iran prosecuted the sunnis and sidelined them in country affair. You can easily jump to conclusions without looking into as to what happened in Iraq. You are siding with a minority leader in Syria who is butchering his country Sunni majority for years. And if you haven't cause enough mayhem, came the Yemen episode. Baharin is another example but luckily it hasnt imploded in full fleged civil war thanks to Pakistani servicemen who are keeping law and order situation under control there.

Your down with America and Israel chants are simply not cutting the ice anymore tbh. Your generals are coming back home in coffins from far distance lands such a Syria, YET dont have balls to go little further west and challenge Israel.

Its about time, you lot get out of your delusion of grandeur and stop this hallucination of conquering Muslim lands for the sake of empire and take a step back, and have your "hang on a minute" moment. For once take your sectarian glasses off and look at bigger picture and see how much damage this tussle between Mullah of Qom and Wahabi lot in SA is doing to the Islamic world in general, middle east in particular. This is doing nothing but benefiting those who you chant death to in your public rallies. If you think that house of saud is tribal which they are, you lot arent different maybe not in your makeup but in your actions.

What ideology does ISIS follow? what ideology Al Shabab, Boko Haram, Al nosra. AQ and many other terrorist groups follow? are we present in Africa ? are we present in European countries? who supported Saddam? who created Mouhadeen in Afghanistan? who attacked to NY in 11 sep?
People of Bahrain are under persecution and are oppressed by a minority Sunni why they don't create ISIS?
It's good to find the real roots of the conflict in the region ....
You ask us to fight against israel but you don't ask why israel seek removal of Assad .. you ask us to fight israel but you don't ask why Saudi and other Muslim nations in the region sided by israel in 2006 war ...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

You better read Iranian history before coming up with stupid questions.. like name one non-Muslim nation you defended yourself against in your history? Or maybe you mean.. name one non-Muslim nation you attacked first!!! What a savage logic... Read Iranians history first buddy... Iranians are there for thousands of years as a united nation... We fought the West for at least 1200 years before Islam and fought numerous non-Muslim states after Islam.. If you read our history you know how Nadir Shah that conquered your India (yes you were a part of Iran by then as Pakistan), also fought and defeated Russia empire up north... or how Safavids fought and defeated Portuguese forces in South... We had many wars with non Muslims.. some of them a loss... some of the a win... but we as Islamic Republic corrected our ancestor's savage practices to invade other nations with no reason... We no are in a very powerful state of defense against threats.. we are peaceful.. we only defend ourselves against threats... Although recently it has changed too... Iran decided to go to war beyond borders so we don't have to fight the enemy on our borders...

You better come off the horse of Takfiri mentality too... the sooner the better for yourself and the humanity...

Like those brainwashed illiterate takfiris that when asked why you want to blow yourself before mid day, up among totally innocent civilians who by chance are all Muslims too... (sometimes even blow themselves among prayer in a mosque!!), they respond with passion, they want to meet Rasoul al Allah for launch... Even funnier when a trooper who captured him told him "ok, we will kill you after launch so you go wash prophet's dishes!!"

With this Islam is doomed... I guarantee that... Prophet's body in grave is shaking every second of their actions...

Your history is nothing more then backstabbing screwing Muslims world from within. Do you understand what conflict means? As a Pakistani I dont give a sh|t as to who attacked who, as there will be million other excuses from the other side as well, what is however crystal clear, that you manage to find yourself thoughtout your history at the opposite end against the other muslims, AND the pattern continue till date!!!!

You united for thousands of years? You were steam rolled by Arabs and before that, the Greeks. Irony is the same greeks who made your queen their concubine got their arses handed over to them by Ancient Pakistanis when they ventured into our lands. and if you really want to dwell into history, the land you call Iran, dig down underneath it and you will find cities and settlements build by the ancestors of Pakistanis, the Indus empire/Civilization. So cut the Nadir shah cr@p son, you will only embarrass yourself.

And what are you on about Takfiri non sense? The only takiris who are going bonkers are you lot and the Saudis. So yeah, keep on lighting fire in middle east in the name of Islam. We in Pakistan can only feel pity and disgust, rest assure that fire you are igniting will come to haunt you as well.

 

[raptor22]

Your history is nothing more then backstabbing screwing Muslims world from within. Do you understand what conflict means? As a Pakistani I dont give a sh|t as to who attacked who, as there will be million other excuses from the other side as well, what is however crystal clear, that you manage to find yourself thoughtout your history at the opposite end against the other muslims, AND the pattern continue till date!!!!

You united for thousands of years? You were steam rolled by Arabs and before that, the Greeks. Irony is the same greeks who made your queen their concubine got their arses handed over to them by Ancient Pakistanis when they ventured into our lands. and if you really want to dwell into history, the land you call Iran, dig down underneath it and you will find cities and settlements build by the ancestors of Pakistanis, the Indus empire/Civilization. So cut the Nadir shah cr@p son, you will only embarrass yourself.

And what are you on about Takfiri non sense? The only takiris who are going bonkers are you lot and the Saudis. So yeah, keep on lighting fire in middle east in the name of Islam. We in Pakistan can only feel pity and disgust, rest assure that fire you are igniting will come to haunt you as well.

Buddy the way you name your country is Iranian ... P-aki stan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan ... and you talk about underneath of the history?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Actually you can not ignore right side in a war and meanwhile question whys and wherefores of its involvement in a probable war you should go into the debate to know who attacked who or who was right or wrong otherwise your entire discussion is stupid and absurd ... moreover wars btw Muslims started after departure of the prophet (pbuh) and many Sahabe fought each other and neglected prophet teaching .. so go ask them too.
Ottmoans fought non-Muslims 'cause they were neighbor with them they also Ottmans attacked us too .. and we fought Mogols and turned them to decent Muslims while before that they were ISIS of their own time .....
We fought Spain , England, Russians and Americans through out history ...
And our main enemy which pose a threat to us as we always publicly stated is the USA and israel

ok listen, if you want to start the debate into Iran/Iraq war, bring forth your proofs as to who was on the right side and who was not, This Saddam mad dog theory wont cut the ice. You are not that innocent as you may want to be believe or led to believe. when you started to "export" your revolution among the Shia masses of other countries, there was bound to be reaction.

If the elders of Islam had difference of opinions and their went against each other, does that mean we should do the same. Those difference, should have been gone with them, if we have kept them till this day, and still using them as excuse, then it is our failure.

You should consider yourself blessed that you are surrounded by Muslims , you have no clue how to be like when you got a nasty neighbor ten times your size leaving no stone unturned against you and happen to represent the worst form of kuffar. Yet you manage to turn this great blessing into a nightmare for yourself.

You fought wars with spain. England, Russian and out of all people, the yanks?? When did this happen, specially american? When did you declare war over them? The last time I checked, your forigen minister was signing on the paper sitting in front of yanks to denuclearize his country!!

What ideology does ISIS follow? what ideology Al Shabab, Boko Haram, Al nosra. AQ and many other terrorist groups follow? are we present in Africa ? are we present in European countries? who supported Saddam? who created Mouhadeen in Afghanistan? who attacked to NY in 11 sep?
People of Bahrain are under persecution and are oppressed by a minority Sunni why they don't create ISIS?
It's good to find the real roots of the conflict in the region ....
You ask us to fight against israel but you don't ask why israel seek removal of Assad .. you ask us to fight israel but you don't ask why Saudi and other Muslim nations in the region sided by israel in 2006 war ...

There is something called original sin. I am sure you are aware of that. You lot screwed up Iraq when you alienated the Sunnis and created Shia theocracy there. What followed was mayhem and out the this mayhem came the monster which is ISIS. For once admit your mistakes. What would it take which will make you shed your sectarian glasses off and think for the bigger interest of Muslim world?

Bahrain was/is a rich and stable country with people living high quality of lives, really cant compare with the situation in Iraq. All was good till Iran tried to screw up the country and created civil war like situation. If you are so concerned about the majority in Bahrian, why same logic doesn't apply to Syria?

 

[scythian500]

You are siding with a minority leader in Syria who is butchering his country Sunni majority for years.

Wow...Just like your Takfiri type who never listen or think and very easy t decieve...

We say should we welcome invader even though they call themselves Muslims and you say it is a hurt to the unity of Ummah...

Damn to an ummah that big part of it is takfiri animals type...

Hollywood shows this repeatedly... Where you have to kill your own mom or brother becuase he turned into a Zombie!!

I have nothing to add... Where logic and sense does not work we Iranians and Shia has no reason to stay...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Buddy the way you name your country is Iranian ... P-aki stan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan ... and you talk about underneath of the history?

Do you know which civilization/empire precede them all? Do you know who were the elites of humanity? Do you know were the rulers before the Babylonians and Egyptians? And do you know this whole region. from western India, whole of present day Iran, Afghanistan, even Turkmenistan was inhibited by whom, ruled by whom, for thousands and thousands of years, uninterrupted?

Dig down the soil in Iran, there are chances you will find cities and settlements build by that the ancestors of Pakistanis, the people of mighty Indus.

My friend, you lot came much much later, at best you , like the rest of humanity are offshoot of Indus empire/civilization. Dont dwell too much into history in search of d|ck measuring contest because the real history may embarrass you.