Why India didn't strike Pakistan after 26/11

[GURU DUTT]

Don't worry Modi will execute all options not just one in the event of another 26/11 type attack.

dont fall for there trolling even they now are more paranoid by Namo-Doval-Parrikar than ... khair jane do dont contest there preconcived notions about the intent and objectives

Indian media is a joke

for once i agree with you

 

[Umair Nawaz]

This is where groot crocodile - PW Botha would have had no questions. Back in 1986, we had several attacks, he sent across right into Lusaka Buccaneer bombers to take out certain camps while Commonwealth conference was being held right next door in Harare.

Article is well articulated and accurate. Just need to watch Frontline documentary and actual recording of Kasab interacting with ISI General is being recorded - with such proof at hand, war crimes action should have been lodged and every attempt to get Pakistan's leadership at the docks.

It is hopeless when even with Bin Laden, none of the Pak army or intelligence was brought to task and matter was hushed up.

A simple advice for u, dont buy into enemy's propaganda. If u think its well written then u havnt read the book in which what exactly did our FM said to back McCain, which actually brought indians back to their place.

The simple reason why they couldnt do anything nor did America was because these two were simply ''dramas'' Done by themselves to prove a point/image. Now india's own officials have admitted that it was staged by their own intelligence network to persuade their government to release more fund for so called national security.

The most beneficiary out of this incident is afterall their own security forces and intelligence network, rather then Pakistan.

And our country is no South Africa its a regional and nuclear power son, with vastly superior armed forces and intelligence network then just of south africa. Thats why they can only dream but cant achieve anything against Pakistan, even that America couldnt do anything.(even if for sake of argument Usama was here)

 

[nair]

@MilSpec

So why has Pakistan NOT carried out more 26 /11

Is it because of the goodness of their heart ; NO

Even they expect retaliation in future

Let us say they got away because we were NOT prepared enough
It was a nasty surprise

But obviously some thought and preparation has gone into a repeat of such a scenario

We will get another opportunity

That is why you see such anxiety and panic attacks regarding the New Government
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I look at it little differently........ The most significant point of 26/11 is -

Failure of both "RAW" and "ISI"

RAW : Because it could not prevent the attack, or the info provided was not actionable to the agency, even if it was It could not sensitize the agencies to take preventive measures

ISI : Screwed it up with several goof ups and exposing the involvement of Pak nationals, to start with the GPS and Phone......

Why there is no 26/11 type attacks

The surprise element is lost (for now) and the rude shock woke up the Indian agencies and made them rethink their strategy.... The entire security mechanism can be turn in to two - Before 26/11 and After 26/11

Having said that, You need to acknowledge the ability of the hostile agencies...... They are much more capable and similar or worst kind of attacks can be expected..... But another goof up is one thing which worries them and once they get confidence you can expect another attack.....

 

[Windjammer]

India didn't strike back because, simply Indian Army backed out of attacking Pakistan.

NEW DELHI - Reluctance for battle by an ill-prepared army could have resulted in India not launching an attack on Pakistan in the aftermath of the Pakistan-linked terror attack in the Indian city of Mumbai on November 26 in which nearly 200 people died.

High-level government sources have told Asia Times Online that army commanders impressed on the political leadership in New Delhi that an inadequate and obsolete arsenal at their disposal mitigated against an all-out war.
Read more...
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KA21Df02.html

 

[SrNair]

Tell you, how to punish them?
I can't because I am not a strategic Planner for the Indian intel or the military. But I can say that at any given time there are quite a few quick reaction methods for punitive strike, land to fall back attain defensive deployment. Increase pressure on borders, create tangible measurable and un-affordable damage to thier military machine. Show the meaning of cause and effect.

And what diplomatic offensive are you referring to? did any one sanction pakistan? Did even India lay sanctions against pakistan? was even the diplomatic relations revoked. Nil - why? because some some hotels and railway station was attacked and not the Parliament?
If you still think it was the right method of handling the aftermath of the attacks - You should say these exact words to family members of the victims of the attacks.

Do not over-rate our intel agencies, there is /was no revenge. Don't buy in to this false propaganda of Indian covert involvement for Pakistan's internal issues. And even if there is the slightest possibility of some aid given to Asymmetric warfare in Pakistan doesn't mean anything to India or serves as justice when militant camps operating and churning these militants waiting to cross over. Pakistani citizens had no involvement in the policies against India, if their deep state continues to take actions with impunity, then it remains an utter failure.


I wish your family all the health in the world, but would you say the same if you lost your family in the Mumbai attacks?

You are completely wrong in there .Pakistan did that massacre for certain objectives ie they really meant to provoke entire Indians from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.And they succeeded in there .First one was the neutralizing the 'bad terrorists ' at the expense of Indian Armed Forces .Still I remember the news articles at those days.
TTP's leader at that time Baitullah Mehsud challenged India to attack Pakistan ,he boasted the Indian Army will face the same consequences that Soviet faced during their Afghan war .
Suppose if we attack them in border what would be their response .Their first line of offence will entire non state actors aka jobless terrorists .Those rabid dogs will attack Indian border .Within hours they will try to open other warfronts .
Spiral out it from limited war to major war Will field nukes and then they will pressure international bodies .
Death of 165 Indians and security forces will vanish from the debate.

IF we expects a supporting hand from Russia or US you are completely wrong .They will show their arms industries and demand for certain ' sure exports'..That is why they publicly announced that a punitive strike is Indian rights ,or they were encouraging us to attack Pakistan. Western nations were severly under the recession at those times and their eyes was in our money.

I wont over rate our intel agencies .Infact it was their worst failure .During Parliament attack we mobilised entire Army but what happened ,international pressure winded up all brave efforts .
You cant blame intel agencies ,during Indiras or Rajiv times they were so successful in penetrating entire establishment of arrogant neighbours .It was IK Gujral that messed up all those thing under some misplaced imagination of everlasting peace.
Thanks to the lacklustre approach of GoI and bureaucrats .During 2008 our military and intel were some neglected childrens of govt.That was a bait from Pakistan .. A punitive strike will work for their favour.

 

[MilSpec]

You are completely wrong in there .Pakistan did that massacre for certain objectives ie they really meant to provoke entire Indians from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.And they succeeded in there .First one was the neutralizing the 'bad terrorists ' at the expense of Indian Armed Forces .Still I remember the news articles at those days.
TTP's leader at that time Baitullah Mehsud challenged India to attack Pakistan ,he boasted the Indian Army will face the same consequences that Soviet faced during their Afghan war .
Suppose if we attack them in border what would be their response .Their first line of offence will entire non state actors aka jobless terrorists .Those rabid dogs will attack Indian border .Within hours they will try to open other warfronts .
Spiral out it from limited war to major war Will field nukes and then they will pressure international bodies .
Death of 165 Indians and security forces will vanish from the debate.

IF we expects a supporting hand from Russia or US you are completely wrong .They will show their arms industries and demand for certain ' sure exports'..That is why they publicly announced that a punitive strike is Indian rights ,or they were encouraging us to attack Pakistan. Western nations were severly under the recession at those times and their eyes was in our money.

I wont over rate our intel agencies .Infact it was their worst failure .During Parliament attack we mobilised entire Army but what happened ,international pressure winded up all brave efforts .
You cant blame intel agencies ,during Indiras or Rajiv times they were so successful in penetrating entire establishment of arrogant neighbours .It was IK Gujral that messed up all those thing under some misplaced imagination of everlasting peace.
Thanks to the lacklustre approach of GoI and bureaucrats .During 2008 our military and intel were some neglected childrens of govt.That was a bait from Pakistan .. A punitive strike will work for their favour.

ok

@MilSpec

So why has Pakistan NOT carried out more 26 /11

Is it because of the goodness of their heart ; NO

Even they expect retaliation in future

Let us say they got away because we were NOT prepared enough
It was a nasty surprise

But obviously some thought and preparation has gone into a repeat of such a scenario

We will get another opportunity

That is why you see such anxiety and panic attacks regarding the New Government
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There is another factor here

Our retaliation has not been direct but indirectly we have done a LOT of damage
in terms of lives and economic cost to their economy

They know it

AND the funny thing is that 26 /11 has ENDED Kashmir issue for ever

We have stopped even acknowledging Kashmir as a dispute and NOBODY even USA
can do ZILCH about it

The anxiety to have a dialouge with India shows their desperation
to avoid a confrontation which they know can happen

They know our restraint wont last for ever
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next time a major attack happens, we will see.

 

[manojb]

No need to attack something that is on self destruction mode

 

[SrNair]

ok


next time a major attack happens, we will see.

Even if there is a major attack next time s,you cant expect a direct military attack .
After all you cant change these neighbour and they are playing with these neighbourhood weakness,even US faces that problem when it comes to Mexico .But next time plenty of covert ops would be there.

 

[MilSpec]

Even if there is a major attack next time s,you cant expect a direct military attack .
After all you cant change these neighbour and they are playing with these neighbourhood weakness,even US faces that problem when it comes to Mexico .But next time plenty of covert ops would be there.

i am amused at the defense of impotence. By your logic covert actions should have retaliotory covert action.
Then what if there is a overt offensive action from Pakistani Military> like kargil... that too demands defensive actions, not crossing the LOC or mounting attacks across the border of our choosing (like 65).

We can continue to be sheeps, and be proud of it... just that when we look at the lions in the past , It makes me hang my head in shame.

lets worry about sensex falling, and international pressure, and impression of the world, and all other things before worrying about lives of our own citizens. yes lets do that.


and btw, if we have decided that we cannot do anything other than "so called" covert ops, then please stop wasting tax payer money in these mega billion defence projects.

 

[SrNair]

i am amused at the defense of impotence. By your logic covert actions should have retaliotory covert action.
Then what if there is a overt offensive action from Pakistani Military> like kargil... that too demands defensive actions, not crossing the LOC or mounting attacks across the border of our choosing (like 65).

We can continue to be sheeps, and be proud of it... just that when we look at the lions in the past , It makes me hang my head in shame.

lets worry about sensex falling, and international pressure, and impression of the world, and all other things before worrying about lives of our own citizens. yes lets do that.


and btw, if we have decided that we cannot do anything other than "so called" covert ops, then please stop wasting tax payer money in these mega billion defence projects.

i am amused at the defense of impotence. By your logic covert actions should have retaliotory covert action.
Then what if there is a overt offensive action from Pakistani Military> like kargil... that too demands defensive actions, not crossing the LOC or mounting attacks across the border of our choosing (like 65).

We can continue to be sheeps, and be proud of it... just that when we look at the lions in the past , It makes me hang my head in shame.

lets worry about sensex falling, and international pressure, and impression of the world, and all other things before worrying about lives of our own citizens. yes lets do that.


and btw, if we have decided that we cannot do anything other than "so called" covert ops, then please stop wasting tax payer money in these mega billion defence projects.

Then we will use our most advanced weapons against them .If they attack us in our border no matter what we will punish them severly.But you cant say about that in case of a terrorists attack.
But now I think we can target them through covert means if they unleashed another 26/11.

 

[nair]

K... Accordin to you what what hav been Indian response to 26/11?????

i am amused at the defense of impotence. By your logic covert actions should have retaliotory covert action.
Then what if there is a overt offensive action from Pakistani Military> like kargil... that too demands defensive actions, not crossing the LOC or mounting attacks across the border of our choosing (like 65).

We can continue to be sheeps, and be proud of it... just that when we look at the lions in the past , It makes me hang my head in shame.

lets worry about sensex falling, and international pressure, and impression of the world, and all other things before worrying about lives of our own citizens. yes lets do that.


and btw, if we have decided that we cannot do anything other than "so called" covert ops, then please stop wasting tax payer money in these mega billion defence projects.

 

[Didact]

i am amused at the defense of impotence. By your logic covert actions should have retaliotory covert action.
Then what if there is a overt offensive action from Pakistani Military> like kargil... that too demands defensive actions, not crossing the LOC or mounting attacks across the border of our choosing (like 65).

We can continue to be sheeps, and be proud of it... just that when we look at the lions in the past , It makes me hang my head in shame.

lets worry about sensex falling, and international pressure, and impression of the world, and all other things before worrying about lives of our own citizens. yes lets do that.


and btw, if we have decided that we cannot do anything other than "so called" covert ops, then please stop wasting tax payer money in these mega billion defence projects.

There's no point beating about the bush; the nukes and even more so the sheer incapability (and lack of confidence) of military commanders have imposed a straitjacket on the political decision making. You cannot go to war, or even threaten war when your Chief-of-Staff is busy articulating his lack of confidence in his own army in cleverly scripted statements that would put to shame the methodological works of a career diplomat.

Most intractable problems requires a new breed of thinkers, the desperate desire for solution and most importantly, a revolution of thought itself. We need to find a practical solution to this nuclear blackmail, or failing that, take advantage of this blackmail ourselves. It may take a generation for effective countermeasures against nukes to be fielded. In the meantime, if our enemy has no compunctions in using the nuclear umbrella to support/cause harm to us, perhaps it's time that we take shelter under that same umbrella, and dish out our own version of the 'death by a thousand cuts'.

There is also a third scenario that may come into play; one that is absolutely not desired, but nevertheless may one day be forced upon us by circumstances far beyond our control. It's the stuff of nightmares, and even with a very low likelihood of occurrence, is most certain to push the subcontinent to war: Solitary or multiple, simultaneous N.B.C. attacks causing tens of thousands of Casualties. A rouge nuclear attack is very unlikely, I might add, but it isn't too very difficult to engineer a biological or Chemical attack.

 

[monitor]

 

[FULL_METAL]

Didn't India strike back at APS Massacre? Using TTP as proxy

Bhai tu engineer hai, zyada james bond banne ki koshis na kar, tune khud investigate kia tha kya?

 

[Sky lord]

.It was IK Gujral that messed up all those thing under some misplaced imagination of everlasting peace.

Exactly and that is what left liberals continue to do. Talks have not brought peace in 70 years, it will not bring peace in another hundred. A quick poke in the eye with a sharp object every time they finger us will bring peace in a decade.

In the meantime, if our enemy has no compunctions in using the nuclear umbrella to support/cause harm to us, perhaps it's time that we take shelter under that same umbrella, and dish out our own version of the 'death by a thousand cuts'.

Common sense that the eighty year olds in our governments past have not been able to grasp.