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Why Hong Kong should send back ‘asylum’ seekers from India

pertianing to the topic at hand, the easiest way is to adopt a zero-open-door policy towards asylum seekers








SINGAPORE: Singapore will not be accepting refugees or people seeking political asylum, said the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) on Friday (May 15).

“As a small country with limited land, Singapore is not in a position to accept any persons seeking political asylum or refugee status, regardless of their ethnicity or place of origin,” said an MHA spokesperson, in response to queries from Channel NewsAsia.

More than 700 migrants from Bangladesh and Myanmar arrived in Indonesia on Friday after fishermen rescued them from their sinking boat off Aceh province. Indonesian police said they were pushed away by the Malaysian navy to the border of Indonesian waters.

More than 1,000 migrants have also landed in Malaysia.

The Malaysian branch of the UN refugee agency UNHCR on Friday urged the regional governments to act urgently to help the migrants stranded at sea. Meanwhile, Indonesia said it will follow international regulation on illegal migrants in handling the refugees.




Our government during Lee Kuan Yew's era did the same thing when boatloads of Vietnamese refugees tried to land on our shores. They were not allowed to land, but were given food and provisions and cast back out to sea

Lee Kuan Yew said “No” to permanent migrant refuge
In 1978, then-Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew sat down with the New York Times to discuss refugees. He said: “You’ve got to grow calluses on your heart or you just bleed to death.”

The late Lee Kuan Yew was referring to being “callous” to the plight of Vietnamese refugees who were on boats drifting across the sea, fleeing from poverty and conflict and looking for new land.

This was the late 1970s. The world was busy re-building itself after World War II. In China, markets began to open up after Chairman Mao’s death. The Four Asian Tigers (Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea and Taiwan) were zipping through rapid industrialization, building skyscraper economies. In Vietnam, the war had just ended in 1975 and people were trying to re-build their lives from the scraps left behind by war.

2 million people fled Vietnam between 1975 and 1995. Hordes of Vietnamese boat people drifted across the South China Sea, but only 800,000 survived to tell the story. Lives were lost at the hands of pirates, overcrowded boats, and storms. Lives were also lost at the hands of Southeast Asian countries that refused to accept more refugees on their shores.

Singapore’s response to the Vietnamese refugee crisis was to drive them back out to sea. Singapore only allowed refugees who were already guaranteed to be accepted immigration to another country within 90 days. There would also be no more than 1,000 of these short-term refugees at any given time.

Today the Rohingya, a Muslim ethnic group from Myanmar, are seeking asylum into neighbouring countries. The Rohingya have lived in western Myanmar for generations, but are still considered stateless. They are not considered citizens of Myanmar. They are not given any legal protection.

They are attacked by local Buddhists in Myanmar’s Rakhine state and the government.

The Rohingya were forced into refugee camps due to attempts of ethnic cleansing since 2012. Increasingly, more have been trying to escape by sea to neighboring South East Asian countries.

25,000 of them drifted away in boats this year. 300 have died.

The international response
The world chides Myanmar’s actions has not put enough pressure on the country. For the international community, solving the refugee problem is a game of whose problem is it anyway?

Recently, Indonesia and Malaysia agreed to offer temporary shelter to 7,000 refugees. Malaysia also agreed to conduct a search and rescue operation to help those still stranded at sea. Thailand agreed to stop towing boats back to sea and will allow those who need medical attention to step ashore. But she did not mention allowing other migrants onto land. Gambia offered to resettle the refugees.

But Singapore refuses to take in migrants.

No permanent refuge for migrants then and now
Singapore’s response to the Vietnamese boat people back then was shaped partly by land considerations too. Back in 1978, Singapore had two million people and one of the highest population densities in the world. When the Vietnamese came, Singapore accepted no permanent asylum.

Meanwhile, tens and thousands of workers were imported to keep Singapore’s export industry booming. Since then, Singapore’s population has expanded to 5.5 million in 2015.

Earlier in 2013, the government revealed its plan to expand the population to 6.9 million by 2030. The population white paper sparked nation-wide debate. Eventually, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong assured that Singapore’s population numbers would be kept lower. Despite her ambitious expansion plan, Singapore has slammed doors to the Rohingya migrants.

No other countries have come together to offer a real, long-lasting solution to the Myanmar crisis. So what should civilised countries do when people from conflict-torn land drift towards its shores?

In the face of such callous indifference, we really are bleeding away any sense of morality for life.


Singapore's policy is to allow only skilled-workers immigration. You have to be earning a certain amount of money before your application for permanent residency would even be considered(not ensured). This is to ensure the quality and value of the contribution that they would bring to Singapore's society.
 
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Well, its much more than dangerous bro, in fact its has became exactly a nightmare came true
Ha, Chunking Mansion? in HK, we considered it as origin of organized crimes
Its getting so much of them that we Hongkongers has a joke with it
"you throw a stone at "Nathan road" (location street of Chunking mansion), you will have a pretty good chance of hitting an Indian" thats how bad the situation has became
Its sad but true

WTF are these officials doing?

Are they blind to let this get out of hand?

Makes me furious :mad:
 
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And what if he is married to a Chinese woman?


Ever been to a China town in a western country?

They can get Residency maybe.

But not Chinese citizenship. China is not an immigration nation, we already have 10+ million Chinese people moving from rural areas to urban areas every single year.

We might review this policy if we become a developed country one day, but even then it will still be very strict.
 
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Not on mainland China.
No way, one Chinese actor has married a Frenchwomen, still, she lives in China by visitor visa.
They have several kids....
Why is that,and what about the kids,do they get Chinese citizenship?
 
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Why is that,and what about the kids,do they get Chinese citizenship?
Kids can, but I've heard they could only apply for 1 kid, now 2 kids.
Other than that, they will be fined.
And if their kids get overseas citizenship, their Chinese citizenship will be automatically cancelled.
In Northern China, especially NE China, lots of Russian girls (or Ukraine) marry local guys...Citizenship only applies to their kid...Once they get Russian passport, then they will have to apply for Chinese visa to enter China.
 
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Exactly.

The only good thing I can say about them is that sometimes they sell interesting things in Chungking Mansions. Which is basically a ghetto.

The bigger danger I think is that some Northern Vietnamese and Northern Filipinos can eventually assimilate and become like a local, many of them can already speak good Cantonese.

Really we should be looking after Chinese citizens first. If those guys need help they can go to other countries which have an open door immigration policy.



Yes you are completely correct. HK law is too soft on these guys.

Well said, great point bro, in fact we've quite a few of perfect examples on this forum
We're stupid enough to provide them a good life with our tax money to equip these ungrateful people with our own language through our best education system to plaque ourselves, how stupid can we get?
 
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They can get Residency maybe.

But not Chinese citizenship. China is not an immigration nation, we already have 10+ million Chinese people moving from rural areas to urban areas every single year.

We might review this policy if we become a developed country one day, but even then it will still be very strict.
My country is not an immigration(before Erdogan) country either but exceptions are made.
 
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I went on holiday to Hong Kong many years ago when I was a student and decided to save money by slumming it in a 'mansion'. To my surprise, there were a lot of Africans and South Asians there - some on their way to China and some just working there as coolies. There was one group of muslim South Asians, I think they were Bangladeshis, and they were looked down upon by everyone, even the Nigerians. Even the Nigerians called them animals. It must be tough being a South Asian asylum seeker in Hong Kong.
That's sad.

I guess it is true for anyone with financial stress. If you have the money though, you can live as a king. :D

So chinese regime will allow you to shoot a movie which shows the reality of slumdog china???
There are plenty of movies on that topic. Youtube is the place to be. :)
 
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Kids can, but I've heard they could only apply for 1 kid, now 2 kids.
Other than that, they will be fined.
And if their kids get overseas citizenship, their Chinese citizenship will be automatically cancelled.
In Northern China, especially NE China, lots of Russian girls (or Ukraine) marry local guys...Citizenship only applies to their kid...Once they get Russian passport, then they will have to apply for Chinese visa to enter China.
And people from Hong Kong,dont they have double citizenships?
 
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My country is not an immigration(before Erdogan) country either but exceptions are made.

Sure we also make exceptions sometimes, but it's generally rare. There are some Westerners who have been living in China for 10-20 years, speak multiple Chinese dialects fluently, but are unable to get Chinese citizenship.

China is still a developing country, this is not something we can handle right now, or in the immediate future. The best they can expect is to get Residency.

And people from Hong Kong,dont they have double citizenships?

They turn a blind eye to dual nationality for Hong Kong Chinese, due to the One Country Two Systems Policy (as a technicality), but still China does not recognize more than one nationality.

If they go to a Chinese embassy only their Chinese nationality will be recognized.

Well said, great point bro, in fact we've quite a few of perfect examples on this forum
We're stupid enough to provide them a good life with our tax money to equip these ungrateful people with our own language through our best education system to plaque ourselves, how stupid can we get?

I think a lot of the pro-independence troublemakers in Hong Kong are actually of Vietnamese/etc. descent who have assimilated and can speak Cantonese/Mandarin fluently.
 
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pertianing to the topic at hand, the easiest way is to adopt a zero-open-door policy towards asylum seekers








SINGAPORE: Singapore will not be accepting refugees or people seeking political asylum, said the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) on Friday (May 15).

“As a small country with limited land, Singapore is not in a position to accept any persons seeking political asylum or refugee status, regardless of their ethnicity or place of origin,” said an MHA spokesperson, in response to queries from Channel NewsAsia.

More than 700 migrants from Bangladesh and Myanmar arrived in Indonesia on Friday after fishermen rescued them from their sinking boat off Aceh province. Indonesian police said they were pushed away by the Malaysian navy to the border of Indonesian waters.

More than 1,000 migrants have also landed in Malaysia.

The Malaysian branch of the UN refugee agency UNHCR on Friday urged the regional governments to act urgently to help the migrants stranded at sea. Meanwhile, Indonesia said it will follow international regulation on illegal migrants in handling the refugees.




Our government during Lee Kuan Yew's era did the same thing when boatloads of Vietnamese refugees tried to land on our shores. They were not allowed to land, but were given food and provisions and cast back out to sea

Lee Kuan Yew said “No” to permanent migrant refuge
In 1978, then-Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew sat down with the New York Times to discuss refugees. He said: “You’ve got to grow calluses on your heart or you just bleed to death.”

The late Lee Kuan Yew was referring to being “callous” to the plight of Vietnamese refugees who were on boats drifting across the sea, fleeing from poverty and conflict and looking for new land.

This was the late 1970s. The world was busy re-building itself after World War II. In China, markets began to open up after Chairman Mao’s death. The Four Asian Tigers (Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea and Taiwan) were zipping through rapid industrialization, building skyscraper economies. In Vietnam, the war had just ended in 1975 and people were trying to re-build their lives from the scraps left behind by war.

2 million people fled Vietnam between 1975 and 1995. Hordes of Vietnamese boat people drifted across the South China Sea, but only 800,000 survived to tell the story. Lives were lost at the hands of pirates, overcrowded boats, and storms. Lives were also lost at the hands of Southeast Asian countries that refused to accept more refugees on their shores.

Singapore’s response to the Vietnamese refugee crisis was to drive them back out to sea. Singapore only allowed refugees who were already guaranteed to be accepted immigration to another country within 90 days. There would also be no more than 1,000 of these short-term refugees at any given time.

Today the Rohingya, a Muslim ethnic group from Myanmar, are seeking asylum into neighbouring countries. The Rohingya have lived in western Myanmar for generations, but are still considered stateless. They are not considered citizens of Myanmar. They are not given any legal protection.

They are attacked by local Buddhists in Myanmar’s Rakhine state and the government.

The Rohingya were forced into refugee camps due to attempts of ethnic cleansing since 2012. Increasingly, more have been trying to escape by sea to neighboring South East Asian countries.

25,000 of them drifted away in boats this year. 300 have died.

The international response
The world chides Myanmar’s actions has not put enough pressure on the country. For the international community, solving the refugee problem is a game of whose problem is it anyway?

Recently, Indonesia and Malaysia agreed to offer temporary shelter to 7,000 refugees. Malaysia also agreed to conduct a search and rescue operation to help those still stranded at sea. Thailand agreed to stop towing boats back to sea and will allow those who need medical attention to step ashore. But she did not mention allowing other migrants onto land. Gambia offered to resettle the refugees.

But Singapore refuses to take in migrants.

No permanent refuge for migrants then and now
Singapore’s response to the Vietnamese boat people back then was shaped partly by land considerations too. Back in 1978, Singapore had two million people and one of the highest population densities in the world. When the Vietnamese came, Singapore accepted no permanent asylum.

Meanwhile, tens and thousands of workers were imported to keep Singapore’s export industry booming. Since then, Singapore’s population has expanded to 5.5 million in 2015.

Earlier in 2013, the government revealed its plan to expand the population to 6.9 million by 2030. The population white paper sparked nation-wide debate. Eventually, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong assured that Singapore’s population numbers would be kept lower. Despite her ambitious expansion plan, Singapore has slammed doors to the Rohingya migrants.

No other countries have come together to offer a real, long-lasting solution to the Myanmar crisis. So what should civilised countries do when people from conflict-torn land drift towards its shores?

In the face of such callous indifference, we really are bleeding away any sense of morality for life.
Singapore should stick to a Chinese-majority society.
This nation state is thriving on Chinese, not other people.

And people from Hong Kong,dont they have double citizenships?
China is responsible for the military and foreign affairs of HK.
HK SAR has separate citizenship policy.
It should be abolished!
The local non-Chinese migrants do little contribution, but bring chaos and increase criminal rate.
 
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Singapore should stick to a Chinese-majority society.
This nation state is thriving on Chinese, not other people.


China is responsible for the military and foreign affairs of HK.
HK SAR has separate citizenship policy.
It should be abolished!
The local non-Chinese migrants do little contribution, but bring chaos and increase criminal rate.
And what about the skin colour bs,looks like its common in all of Asia(Pakistan,India,Bangladesh,and now China)?
 
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Yeah that's about right. It was about £15 back in the day. It was an eye opening experience for the young me and great fun too.
Today, those refugees make that horrible buildings a symbol of filth and poverty.
You can still rent a bed for 15 pounds per night....
I spent $100 for a tiny room in a decent hotel, when I was a student in the college.
Even a dorm bed at a registered youth hostel costs $30-40....

But to them, life in that building is middle-class style....
You know, the definition of middle class in some countries is weird.
So they don't want to go back, they enjoy the "middle class" life in that building.
:rofl:
 
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And what about the skin colour bs,looks like its common in all of Asia(Pakistan,India,Bangladesh,and now China)?

Historically, people who were rich got to stay indoors all day, so they had lighter skin.

Whereas the poor had to work outside in the fields all day, so became heavily tanned.

This seems to be a common bias in much of the world, due to the same mechanic (rich stay indoors, poor work in the fields).

Nowadays it's the reverse though. Rich people like to get tanned to show they can take regular vacations. Weird world.
 
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