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Why Gen RS turned down KSA offer....Pakistan: A Conditional Saudi Ally

Not talking about Malaysia.. Pakistan's map in Orange color is not right..
It looks squeezed, that what appears, because they wanted to show Malaysia,, you can see that the emphasis (focus) of the Map is on Africa where most middle Eastern countries look bigger than even India..
 
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We only need to intervene when there is some new development in Palestine.

When it comes to Yemen and Syria, you say Pakistan already has India and Kashmir on its plate, no need to go over there...When it comes to Palestine, you say Pakistan should intervene...What are you trying to say? Contradicting statements??
 
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  1. No offer was made..this is figment of Pakistani imagination..
  2. Pak has no leverage over Saudis on the inclusion of Iran especially when the entire region and Pakistan itself is suffering from Iranian back terrorism...
  3. Prince Mohammed bin Salman is the CoC of the Islamic Alliance as per drafted..

In some media report it was said that KSA has offered supply of advance military hardware which is required by Pakistan to matchup/required with it's enemies even help for HQ development for military to allow Pakistan to take more active part in regional issues. Can anyone confirm it?
 
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@Razia Sultana @Cherokee ....Indian Shia supporting Houthi's??? Man, you just spreading lot of rumours....What is your basis for your allegations...
I don't know. But I would not like to have an opinion on everything that happens in the middle east or elsewhere. India too refrains from having an opinion on the matters that does not concern India.
 
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Interesting behind the scenes story on Pak and KSA engagements.

Pakistan: A Conditional Saudi Ally

Geopolitical Diary
January 13, 2017 | 04:25 GMT

Despite the countries' similarities, Saudi Arabia is struggling to persuade Pakistan to increase its participation in the Islamic Military Alliance, a loose coalition of Muslim countries that Riyadh formed in 2015.

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have much in common. Each country considers itself to be at the vanguard of the Muslim world, and both are home to predominantly Sunni populations. In spite of their similarities, however, the two countries are struggling to forge closer military ties. When Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman announced in December 2015 that Riyadh would lead a military alliance of dozens of Muslim nations, most of them Sunni-majority countries, Pakistan was surprised to find its name on the list. Even so, it agreed to participate in the alliance, short of committing its troops to fight for a foreign cause. On Wednesday, Islamabad made a surprising announcement of its own: It was reported that Pakistan's former chief of army staff, Gen. Raheel Sharif, refused to accept his appointment to lead the alliance unless Iran was included in the group. Though Pakistan lies to the east of Saudi Arabia and Iran, over the years it has often found itself caught between the two poles of Islamic power. The country exemplifies the difficulty Muslim nations face in maintaining neutrality between Riyadh and Tehran, and Saudi Arabia's Islamic Military Alliance is just the latest complication in that struggle.

The stated purpose of the largely symbolic alliance is to combat terrorism, particularly in the Islamic world's conflict zones — Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya. But coming from Riyadh, which views Iran as the propagator of instability and sectarian strife in the region, that objective implies a tacit effort to build a united front against Tehran. This puts Pakistan in a tricky position. As the second-most populous Muslim country in the world, Pakistan can hardly turn its back on Saudi Arabia, home to Islam's holiest mosque. Neither can it risk its relations with Iran, with which it shares a border. For all that Pakistan has in common with Saudi Arabia, it also shares cultural, linguistic and religious ties with Iran. Pakistan has the world's second-largest Shiite population, although it is a Sunni-majority country. Consequently, staying on good terms with Iran, home to the world's largest Shiite population, is a priority for Islamabad. Pakistan's competing imperatives will dash Riyadh's hopes of assembling an alliance that will not only facilitate the fight against militant groups such as al Qaeda and the Islamic State but will also help to counter Iran.

Pakistan's apparent insistence on including Iran in the coalition is disappointing for Saudi Arabia, which has been having trouble obtaining commitments from other countries in the alliance, including Lebanon, Egypt and its newest member, Oman. Beyond their religious affinity, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have a history that has compelled Riyadh's efforts to secure Islamabad's participation in the alliance. In 2000, the kingdom opened its borders to Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif after he was ousted in a military coup, hosting the exiled leader for several years. Since then, Riyadh has not forgotten the debt that Sharif, who returned to the Pakistani premiership in 2013, owes for its hospitality.

Furthermore, Pakistan — the Muslim world's only declared nuclear power — boasts the world's sixth-largest military, an asset for any military alliance. Though Saudi Arabia has sought Pakistani support for its operations in Yemen — a demand it has made of nearly every member in the coalition — Islamabad has refused to commit any military power. For one thing, its army is already stretched thin, conducting anti-terrorism operations in the country's northwest tribal areas and contending with a perceived threat along its border with India. For another, Pakistan's parliament voted unanimously against dispatching troops to Yemen in 2015 — a move that, yet again, would risk straining Islamabad's relations with Tehran. Nonetheless, Stratfor sources suggest that Sharif supported Raheel's appointment to head the Saudi alliance in part to appease Riyadh. He may have given his endorsement knowing that Raheel would not accept the post; now that the general has demanded Iran's inclusion in the alliance, Saudi Arabia will doubtless find another candidate to lead the group.

As Saudi Arabia tries to assert itself as a leader of Muslim countries, it will run up against other nations, such as Iran and Pakistan, that are striving to do the same. But in its efforts to form a coalition against Tehran, Riyadh risks alienating even its allies. Regardless of the ties that bind Saudi Arabia to its partners in the Muslim world, and no matter what incentives Riyadh throws their way, it cannot change their imperatives. The cost of committing to a military alliance with the kingdom is simply too high for some of its desired partners, dooming the loose coalition to a purely symbolic fate.

https://www.stratfor.com/geopolitical-diary/pakistan-conditional-saudi-ally

Much to the disappointment of haters, the allaince of 39 nation will continue to exist and operate against Isis, and their parents with or without Pakistan.
Iran has no position in this allaince, becusae its objective has always been that of sabotage. We have seen it throughout the history of Palestine conflict.
If Pakistani parliamentarians, senators and state advisors have interlocked Rahil Sharif's clearance with Iranian inclusion, than its a joke with Pakistan and reflects, Zardari mafia has its roots deep in Pakistani bureaucracy.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1039166/middle-east
 
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I don't think what to believe & what not to believe regarding this alliance...Too much speculation

If you just believe one thing that Iranian lobby has taken over Pakistan's foreign policy then things might become easy for you.
Ever since our Generals started addicted to getting appraisals from media or getting concerned "Log kiya kahein gay" we have lost all hopes
I think RS should now buy a home in Iran and get a contract of cleaning Shrine of Abu Lolo Feroz This will help him get far more appraisals ..... :pissed:
 
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Well saudies and Iranians are still living in the past years,one wants leadership of sunies and other of shias ,in fact there is no uma shuma in between this fact is this Turkey as moderate Islamic country at junction of uro-asia and Pakistan at other entry gate of Uro-asia are destined to play key roles, Saudies will never mind Pakistan's this status its UAE who need some rectum fixation which is badly occupied by pro indain jerms,this will happen in few years till then there doesn't seem a possibility of a Pakistani jenral leading a Muslim ally force,
 
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Good opportunity for India and Saudi Arabia to become closer.
 
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8-) So india will send one of its General or military cooperation with Saudi Arabia ?

First, KSA will not ask a General from a hindu nation to lead a Muslim army. But to get back at Pakistan, KSA may form a closer relations with India. Pakistan can stop expecting KSA's support when it comes to its issues with India. I will be surprised if Modi don't make move towards KSA
 
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First, KSA will not ask a General from a hindu nation to lead a Muslim army. But to get back at Pakistan, KSA may form a closer relations with India. Pakistan can stop expecting KSA's support when it comes to its issues with India. I will be surprised if Modi don't make move towards KSA
Pakistan can stop expecting KSA's support when it comes to its issues with India ? And what is that practical support ON ground ?
You won't understand the relation between KSA and Pakistan..Even if they started to dislike Pakistan they can't/won't do anything practical to support India..Same goes for UAE
 
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when things seem too complicated, it is the simplest option that is most likely true.
In this case the simplest seems to be that Raheel Sherieff had some sort of KSA option so he declined Pak offers for extension. Post retirement, he did not realize it'd become a controversy - but it did. He did not expect the Nawas Sherief minisiter to bring up the issue of noc which made it an issue. So unless the KSA guys really really want him, he has no option but to say no. All the talk about him laying down conditions is bakwas.
 
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Pakistan can stop expecting KSA's support when it comes to its issues with India ? And what is that practical support ON ground ?
You won't understand the relation between KSA and Pakistan..Even if they started to dislike Pakistan they can't/won't do anything practical to support India..Same goes for UAE

You are innocent, if you feel the relations with KSA will be the same.:lol:

Anyway, Yemen issue is the biggest thing that KSA faced in long long time and KSA need friends now more than ever, as it is at the weakest. KSA was betting on Pakistan. KSA has every right to feel betrayed for all the support that KSA provided to Pakistan since 1947.

Anyway good for India
 
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You are innocent, if you feel the relations with KSA will be the same.:lol:

Anyway, Yemen issue is the biggest thing that KSA faced in long long time and KSA need friends now more than ever, as it is at the weakest. KSA was betting on Pakistan. KSA has every right to feel betrayed for all the support that KSA provided to Pakistan since 1947.

Anyway good for India
You didn't reply what India can offer to KSA in term of there conflicts in yemen or elsewhere. I have no issues with good relation between India and KSA. In current status they are not bad either..You can believe what you choose to be.
 
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