Why doesnt pakistan just reconcile with india?

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Till the time pakistan keep meddling in India's side of J & K, things will not improve. Let the both nations agree on a moratorium to keep themselves away from the K word, the B word and focus on what part of land they have. Let the j & K and P0K to develop as east and west germany. Develop the part that we control, and do not support armed conflicts. Kashmir can unite at a later stage, if it want. But this whole armed support from pakistan to insurgency in indian side of kashmir is doing harm to both the nations, and the people of kashmir too.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Only cowards compromise!

There is nothing to reconcile with india, It's india who has to stop its 70 year old agenda of breaking Pakistan in to pieces.
We will meet you half way and a step further, whichever route you take, but if you thing you can brow beat us, then remember we eat three times a day what you worship.

The difference in economic development is widening between india and Pakistan with each passing day. They can no longer afford to take on india in anyway; on the other hand the richer and the powerful india becomes, the more resourceful and powerful it will become to cripple pakistan.
Isn't it a trait of a Wiseman to come to a compromise with a powerful fellow when it is clear that it is not going to be good to take on a powerful enemy.
Why can't pakistan just say :Mate whatever has happened has happened..let us both agree to give up the claim on Kashmirs which are in each others parts.Let us forget the past..We may not become friends but at least let's not be enemies.

The only reason I see for pakistan not being able to do that is its army..once the enmity with india is buried they will not have the financial benefits which they are enjoying now.They will not get the hero type attention from their citizens. in my opinion a true pakistani well wisher is he who wants to have peace with india and not the war because he very well knows that animosity with india will only drag pakistan into abyss in future .

 

[Finer]

Well the number of people who thought 2 nation theory was a mistake is reducing every day.... the general conversation now in India is ..."Good that Pakistan was created...we can live in peace" even Sardar Patel agreed to partition in 1947..

CPEC is the most oversold brand in Pakistan these days.. even more than Pakistan... we will let you live the reality and see what happens...

It doesn't matter. India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet. For the same reason, Afghanistan is not accepting Pakistan either. Both claim Pakistan is the mistake, and to this day, this is still going on. As long as India refuses to accept Pakistan, there can never be next step ahead. It was one-sided from the beginning and still remain the same stance from Indian narrative.

And that's why your own officials are threatening to sponsor terrorism in Balochistan to sabotage CPEC? Look who are living in the so-called reality.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

It doesn't matter. India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet. For the same reason, Afghanistan is not accepting Pakistan either. Both claim Pakistan is the mistake, and to this day, this is still going on. As long as India refuses to accept Pakistan, there can never be next step ahead. It was one-sided from the beginning and still remain the same stance from Indian narrative.

And that's why your own officials are threatening to sponsor terrorism in Balochistan to sabotage CPEC? Look who are living in the so-called reality.

Pakistan is not a mistake...Pakistan has been making mistakes since its creation... Strategic depth is not India's concept.. your army wanted it...

These agents are caught in every country.. You arrest American agents..we arrest Pakistan agents...Chin arrests Western agents....all the time.....so if you think people are going to buy your Kulbhushan Yadav story for long..

 

[Finer]

Pakistan is not a mistake...Pakistan has been making mistakes since its creation... Strategic depth is not India's concept.. your army wanted it...

These agents are caught in every country.. You arrest American agents..we arrest Pakistan agents...Chin arrests Western agents....all the time.....so if you think people are going to buy your Kulbhushan Yadav story for long..

India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet. From your perspective, Pakistan is at fault and from Pakistan's perspective, India is at fault. And given the recent official confession from Ajit and some Indian officials confession of sponsoring terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan which claimed the lives of children, women, older and all kind of people, and now threatening to sabotage CPEC. That's not mistake. Pakistan is given clear clarity on this matter.

That being said, you haven't focused on the point yet. India is yet to accept Pakistan. How can there be economical trade between Pakistan and India if India is not willing to recognize Pakistan?

The simple point which is plain clear to understand. Now pay attention very closely.

India is yet to accept Pakistan.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet. From your perspective, Pakistan is at fault and from Pakistan's perspective, India is at fault. And given the recent official confession from Ajit and some Indian officials confession of sponsoring terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan which claimed the lives of children, women, older and all kind of people, and now threatening to sabotage CPEC. That's not mistake. Pakistan is given clear clarity on this matter.

That being said, you haven't focused on the point yet. India is yet to accept Pakistan. How can there be economical trade between Pakistan and India if India is not willing to recognize Pakistan?

The simple point which is plain clear to understand. Now pay attention very closely.

India is yet to accept Pakistan.

This "INDIA HAS NOT ACCEPTED PAKISTAN" is a story that is sold to you guys by your Politico-Military leadership... and is far from fact... no India gives a damn about what Pakistan is and what it does.. our only problem with Pakistan is the terrorism that is emanated from Pakistan and targeted towards India... No one is India calls for a Jihad against Pakistan.. like the way a UN designated terrorist calls for in Pakistan... so keep you holier than thou attitude to yourself... you mess with us.. we mess with you.... that is how it goes..

India Pakistan trade exists.. no matter how hare you try to deny it... in 2013 India Pakistan trade was 2.1 Billion USD...
Couple of months back Pakistan became India's biggest importer of cotton...

 

[Finer]

This "INDIA HAS NOT ACCEPTED PAKISTAN" is a story that is sold to you guys by your Politico-Military leadership... and is far from fact... no India gives a damn about what Pakistan is and what it does.. our only problem with Pakistan is the terrorism that is emanated from Pakistan and targeted towards India... No one is India calls for a Jihad against Pakistan.. like the way a UN designated terrorist calls for in Pakistan... so keep you holier than thou attitude to yourself... you mess with us.. we mess with you.... that is how it goes..

India Pakistan trade exists.. no matter how hare you try to deny it... in 2013 India Pakistan trade was 2.1 Billion USD...
Couple of months back Pakistan became India's biggest importer of cotton...

That's problem. You guys are not willing to recognize the problem. I take it 1971 didn't happen to prove two-nations wrong either?

There is no hope with India that still refuse to acknowledge Pakistan. Ironically, you haven't answered on the point yet which is simple. India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet. It is simple, plain clear to understand.

All India has to do is accept Pakistan. Then the next chapter begins which is economical trade between Pakistan and India.

If you cannot handle the point that India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet, i doubt you will acknowledge the official confession of Ajit Doval, in-charge of Indian NSA, sponsoring terrorism which claimed the lives of women, children, older and all kind of people and Indian officials threatening to sponsor terrorism to sabotage CPEC. It is impossible to deal economical trade with Genocidal leader leading communal party boosting minority intolerance under the name of beef paws, oppressing native Kashmiris in IOK, and becoming the leading example for rape capital of the world and female infanticide. Too many problems!

 

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[AnnoyingOrange]

That's problem. You guys are not willing to recognize the problem. I take it 1971 didn't happen to prove two-nations wrong either?

There is no hope with India that still refuse to acknowledge Pakistan. Ironically, you haven't answered on the point yet which is simple. India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet. It is simple, plain clear to understand.

All India has to do is accept Pakistan. Then the next chapter begins which is economical trade between Pakistan and India.

You guys blame 1971 on India ..as if your leadership did not do anything to break your country... India just took advantage of your fault lines...

You can continue to believe that INDIA DOES NOT ACCEPT PAKISTAN. and go to bed in peace.. No Indian has time to sooth your ego and make you believe that India has no problem with Pakistan as long as Pakistan stops terrorists from attacking Indians... We d0nt care if you are hopeless.. its for Pakistanis to come out of past and live in present...

Your exports are declining month on month... economy is sputtering.. and you have time for this bullshit discussion...

 

[Finer]

You guys blame 1971 on India ..as if your leadership did not do anything to break your country... India just took advantage of your fault lines...

You can continue to believe that INDIA DOES NOT ACCEPT PAKISTAN. and go to bed in peace.. No Indian has time to sooth your ego and make you believe that India has no problem with Pakistan as long as Pakistan stops terrorists from attacking Indians... We d0nt care if you are hopeless.. its for Pakistanis to come out of past and live in present...

Your exports are declining month on month... economy is sputtering.. and you have time for this bullshit discussion...

So you are agreeing India took advantage of Bangladesh's situation to prove two-nations theory wrong. That itself is indicator why India hasn't accepted Pakistan. If India is not willing to accept Pakistan, then there is no next step, is there?

I think you guys are confused. You agree and disagree at the same time. The problem is not Pakistan because let's face it, Pakistan got freedom at the end. The problem is India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet which is stopping from moving on.

The solution is simple. Tell India to accept Pakistan. Then we will talk about economical trade.

Until then, sponsoring terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan to kill innocent people and sabotage CPEC is not the way to proceed the next step of doing economical trade.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

So you are agreeing India took advantage of Bangladesh's situation to prove two-nations theory wrong. That itself is indicator why India hasn't accepted Pakistan. If India is not willing to accept Pakistan, then there is no next step, is there?

I think you guys are confused. You agree and disagree at the same time. The problem is not Pakistan because let's face it, Pakistan got freedom at the end. The problem is India hasn't accepted Pakistan yet which is stopping from moving on.

The solution is simple. Tell India to accept Pakistan. Then we will talk about economical trade.

Until then, sponsoring terrorism in Balochistan and the rest of Pakistan to kill innocent people and sabotage CPEC is not the way to proceed the next step of doing economical trade.

The role India played in creation of Bangladesh is well written and is a part of history... and that is something no Indian will ever deny.. it was need of the hour... Given the kind of mismanagement that was going on inside then East Pakistan.... and the kind of refuges entering into India.. it was a crisis that needed a solution.. and creating of Bangladesh was a solution.

Indians know that there is a Pakistan on the western border that has been sponsoring terrorists in India.. and that is all you are going to get from us.... Pakistan is a reality as Bangladesh is a reality.... I wonder the kind of inferiority complex Pakistanis have that they want the whole world to say "Two nation theory was credible.. look we have a country that was created out of two nation theory that could not sustain itself for more than 3 decades...... thats' how valid two nation theory was... Its upto you and your leadership to take trade related decision... trade with Pakistan is not on India's priority list as its really insignificant... and no one cares accept a part of India Punjab that gets some benefits out of it....What can Pakistan offer to India in a trade scenario...what do you produce that India does not?

Here is an abstract on India Pakistan trade realities:

Informal trade continues to thrive between India and Pakistan despite recent measures undertaken by the two countries to normalize trade and reduce transport impediments. This calls for an in-depth analysis of India’s informal trade with Pakistan. This study (i) identifies factors determining informal trade, (ii) prepares estimates of India's informal trade with Pakistan (iii) examines the modalities of informal trade (iv) analyzes the transaction cost incurred in trading formally and informally and (v) proposes recommendations needed to shift informal trade to formal channels.

The analysis, carried out on the basis of an extensive survey conducted in India and Dubai estimates informal trade to be US$ 4.71 billion. Of this, India’s exports to Pakistan are estimated to be USD 3.99 billion and imports from Pakistan USD 0.72 billion. The study concludes that informal traders in India and Pakistan have developed efficient mechanisms for contract enforcement, information flows, risk sharing and risk mitigation. Further, even though the transaction costs of trading in the informal channel are significantly higher than the formal channel, traders prefer to trade through the informal channel since it is more efficient than the formal channel. An important policy implication is that unless the environment of the formal trade improves, informal trade will not only continue to coexist with formal trade, but it will also impact its potential magnitude in the coming years.

http://www.icrier.org/pdf/Working_Paper_327.pdf

 

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Is Mulq ne har shaksq ko jo jimma saunpa tha....
Har shaksq ne us jimme ki Maa....chis jala ke chhod di

I don't know which part of India "has not accepted pakistan". I think your fellow countrymen are suffering from guilty syndrome

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

This is why Pakistan needs to get rid of this wave of hyper nationalism and trade with India...

 

[Finer]

The role India played in creation of Bangladesh is well written and is a part of history... and that is something no Indian will ever deny.. it was need of the hour... Given the kind of mismanagement that was going on inside then East Pakistan.... and the kind of refuges entering into India.. it was a crisis that needed a solution.. and creating of Bangladesh was a solution.

Let me repeat in the simplest way as possible.

Is India willing to recognize Pakistan as independence nation?

The moment India accepts Pakistan is one step closer to the economical trade officially uninterrupted which also means India will stop doing what its is doing to prove two-nations theory wrong judging by Bangladesh which you so kindly acknowledged that. Judging by the official confession and testimony of Ajit Doval, in-charge of Indian NSA, responsible for killing more than 50,000 innocent people through Indian-sponsored terrorism and threatening to sabotage CPEC in Balochistan suggests Indians plan contradict any foreseeable possible of friendly economical trade.

There is the reason why Pakistan excluded India from Pakistan-Afghanistan transits after the official confession of Ajit Doval, in-charge of Indian NSA, sponsored terrorism which has claimed the lives of women, children, older and all kind of people. Recent weeks ago, one of Indian agents was caught trespassing on Balochistan through Iran.

There is the reason why Pakistan doesn't trust India. The fact is that it is killing India just to even think about accepting Pakistan. It has been more than 50 years, and nothing about India's intention has changed given Indian repeated tactics of Bangladesh on Balochistan are caught in front of the world.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Let me repeat in the simplest way as possible.

Is India willing to recognize Pakistan as independence nation?

The moment India accepts Pakistan is one step closer to the economical trade officially uninterrupted which also means India will stop doing what its is doing to prove two-nations theory wrong judging by Bangladesh which you so kindly acknowledged that. Judging by the official confession and testimony of Ajit Doval, in-charge of Indian NSA, responsible for killing more than 50,000 innocent people through Indian-sponsored terrorism and threatening to sabotage CPEC in Balochistan suggests Indians plan contradict any foreseeable possible of friendly economical trade.

There is the reason why Pakistan excluded India from Pakistan-Afghanistan transits after the official confession of Ajit Doval, in-charge of Indian NSA, sponsored terrorism which has claimed the lives of women, children, older and all kind of people. Recent weeks ago, one of Indian agents was caught trespassing on Balochistan through Iran.

There is the reason why Pakistan doesn't trust India. The fact is that it is killing India just to even think about accepting Pakistan. It has been more than 50 years, and nothing about India's intention has changed given Indian repeated tactics of Bangladesh on Balochistan are caught in front of the world.

Let me ask you a question...

IS PAKISTAN NOT AN INDEPENDENT NATION?

DO YOU NOT HAVE AN INDEPENDENT CONSTITUTION?

DO YOU NOT HAVE A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT?

Pakistani are funny people man?