Why does Young Generation want to leave Pakistan?

[FuturePAF]

Large economy is not always akin to sustainability or prosperity. Think of India which is amongst the top ten but has more poverty than SS Africa.

Sustainable economies are usually slow growth and slow decline. You cannot keep growing forever. The Earth is not finite in resources.

You can catchup in terms of efficiency. Look at the South Korea and Japan, hardly resource rich nations, reinvesting into their own country and maximizing their human and technological potential.

 

[nahtanbob]

1. Transit trade and value added industries are the ways Pakistan can integrate itself in the supply chains of others. Even if it doesn’t have as much in terms of resources, it’s should built up what it can (such as a mining industry based on Reko-diq) and then use that expertise to do value added business in places it trans-ships resources such as Afghanistan.

2. There are ways to uphold your regional interests and sovereignty without “direct” confrontation with your neighbors. China has found a way to do business with Japan and India without giving up its claims.

3. Military spending will have to be a lower percentage of GDP as the economy grows to allow resources towards economic growth, but Pakistan lives in a hostile part of the world. With a more robust military it can try to ensure security domestically and that should allow investors to feel comfortable to bring FDI. The Pakistan army also plans to lower its head count, in lieu of more advanced systems. Perhaps the added spending can go into industries that will allow Pakistan to build up a civilian industry in that field to offset some of the cost. But in the end, better internal security should keep investors confidence high, such as Chinese investors, and offset the high cost of military spending.

Indonesia is energy rich. Pakistan spends 50% of its import bill on energy imports. There is no way to compensate for it.
To this day Afghanistan and Central Asia are not moving the needle for Pakistan. On transit Suez Canal brings in less than $10 billion for Egypt. It does not help not being able to exploit the large Indian market.

On regional security and military spending Pakistan is between a rock and hard place. The USA-China rivalry and courtship of India leaves little place to hide

 

[ThunderCat]

You can catchup in terms of efficiency. Look at the South Korea and Japan, hardly resource rich nations, reinvesting into their own country and maximizing their human and technological potential.

Yes, thanks to their delicate economic setups and American support. One major screw-up and they could suffer drastically. We started better off than them but overpopulation ruined everything. We can grow so much food all year around, they live in more northern climates which can only produce seasonally, hence their growth has been slower & peaked.

But just look at South Korea's delicate economic setup and dependency on other countries:

 

[Smoke]

They want all the boomers to kill each other off first, once done they'll come back together as a new generation and get rid of the monarchy loving habits of society.

 

[airmarshal]

Because they dont see future in Pakistan.

I left Pakistan because of law and order problem. Karachi was MQM stronghold and MQM held the city by its crotch. There were strikes and arson by MQM every other day. For many times, I had to stay overnight in the office in Clifton as city wasnt safe to travel.

Imagine you go to the office and cant return to your home for next two nights!

But what I was always angry bout was why the situation not brought under control? MQM was committing open terrorism. But our brave army, stood by. Our brave ISI chief no one can leave or enter the country without their knowledge. So was Altaf Hussain sent to London to create trouble for Pakistan and create space for army to stay relevant in politics?

The same situation is now. The army is controlling politics, there is a facade or an ugly face of democracy propped up the army and the army does not want to cede control. This is why there is no hope among youth.

Pakistan has immense potential. But we cant realize it because of the dark shadow of this occupation.

 

[MultaniGuy]

People leave Pakistan because:

1) The economy is not good.
2) We need better job opportunities

 

[FuturePAF]

Indonesia is energy rich. Pakistan spends 50% of its import bill on energy imports. There is no way to compensate for it.
To this day Afghanistan and Central Asia are not moving the needle for Pakistan. On transit Suez Canal brings in less than $10 billion for Egypt. It does not help not being able to exploit the large Indian market.

On regional security and military spending Pakistan is between a rock and hard place. The USA-China rivalry and courtship of India leaves little place to hide

Yes, thanks to their delicate economic setups and American support. One major screw-up and they could suffer drastically. We started better off than them but overpopulation ruined everything. We can grow so much food all year around, they live in more northern climates which can only produce seasonally, hence their growth has been slower & peaked.

But just look at South Korea's delicate economic setup and dependency on other countries:

Pakistan will have to stabilize the fundamentals of its economy, attract FDI to modernize and become more competitive in areas it already has a significant presence, and then use opportunities like the Reko-Diq to build up sectors like mining to better explore and exploit its own resources.

Transit trade, not so much in direct revenue but building up industries like petrochemicals and pharmaceuticals for domestic consumption and export based on oil and/or gas flowing through the country. FDI investor looking to capitalize on the potential this resource. This is dependent on Pakistan striking a good deal with the countries the oil is sourced through to buy oil and/or gas at a discount to give the nascent industries a resource at a competitive price to have them set up their industries in Pakistan rather then somewhere else.

Pakistan will also have to fundamentally integrate itself into the region, but try to minimize what accommodations it makes with India to preserve its interests. A rail corridor to Central Asia allows a route for the ventral Asian out but also other potential investors in, like Gulf countries and the Europeans.

Like Japan and South Korea, domestic industrial developments could help the interests of superpower allies. Pakistan as a strong vanguard against India and its regional hegemony maybe a valuable position to support by China. A containment strategy keeping India bogged down regionally.

Finding a way to accommodate both of the era’s superpowers and their companies/investors, is the kind of balancing act pakistan will have to thread, but to do this reforms, in terms of opening up, have to be done at home first and foremost. Germany is probably a better example of this, especially in the post Cold War era. A disruption to the balance would have dramatic effects, but it’s the only way to benefit most from the possible opportunities.

But all of this comes down to how well the Pakistani elites manage the country/resources/human capital/market access and balance the competing international partners, as well as how they develop regional relations, especially to Central Asia.

 

[nahtanbob]

Pakistan will have to stabilize the fundamentals of its economy, attract FDI to modernize and become more competitive in areas it already has a significant presence, and then use opportunities like the Reko-Diq to build up sectors like mining to better explore and exploit its own resources.

Transit trade, not so much in direct revenue but building up industries like petrochemicals and pharmaceuticals for domestic consumption and export based on oil and/or gas flowing through the country. FDI investor looking to capitalize on the potential this resource. This is dependent on Pakistan striking a good deal with the countries the oil is sourced through to buy oil and/or gas at a discount to give the nascent industries a resource at a competitive price to have them set up their industries in Pakistan rather then somewhere else.

Pakistan will also have to fundamentally integrate itself into the region, but try to minimize what accommodations it makes with India to preserve its interests. A rail corridor to Central Asia allows a route for the ventral Asian out but also other potential investors in, like Gulf countries and the Europeans.

Like Japan and South Korea, domestic industrial developments could help the interests of superpower allies. Pakistan as a strong vanguard against India and its regional hegemony maybe a valuable position to support by China. A containment strategy keeping India bogged down regionally.

Finding a way to accommodate both of the era’s superpowers and their companies/investors, is the kind of balancing act pakistan will have to thread, but to do this reforms, in terms of opening up, have to be done at home first and foremost. Germany is probably a better example of this, especially in the post Cold War era. A disruption to the balance would have dramatic effects, but it’s the only way to benefit most from the possible opportunities.

But all of this comes down to how well the Pakistani elites manage the country/resources/human capital/market access and balance the competing international partners, as well as how they develop regional relations, especially to Central Asia.

No one gives a "good deal" on oil
The big problem with Pakistan-China is deepening of India-USA alliance. The Pakistani army generals know they will be at a disadvantage if that happens.
Uzbekistan, Kirghizstan, Tajikistan have little in the way of natural resources
petrochemical is capital intensive with little in the way of employment

balancing China & USA is tricky even if you are not locked in a struggle with India

the development of human resources will go a long way

 

[mudas777]

As a Pakistani American I know it's hypocritical to say this

But home is home, fix our home guys - it's irreplaceable

Just my 2 cent's

There is no place in the world like home, one never forgets the streets, the play grounds, the schools the friends and waking up to the Azan. It really and simply is priceless, that's why I very much like our country to stand tall in the world and bastard generals hanged so our country never ever have to go through again.

 

[imadul]

This is the reason...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605732665113583616

 

[Solidify]

People leave Pakistan because:

1) The economy is not good.
2) We need better job opportunities

Also there are too many criminals within the country.
You have to think like criminal just to survive, that is borderline between respectful people vs low life homeless bums. Homeless people in Pakistan now are prospering.
There is no system, juski lathi uski bhans.

There is no place in the world like home, one never forgets the streets, the play grounds, the schools the friends and waking up to the Azan. It really and simply is priceless, that's why I very much like our country to stand tall in the world and bastard generals hanged so our country never ever have to go through again.

No Azan where I live, is announced on same time, every mosque has own schedule of events for azan call to prayer. When azan is called expect to listen for next 1.5 hours of all nearby Azans repeatedly unsynchronized.
Its total chaos in country, there are better nations than this filth called Pakistan run by chors ghadaars.

 

[Path-Finder]

because of the haramzadgi imposed upon them.

 

[313ghazi]

 

[FuturePAF]

No one gives a "good deal" on oil
The big problem with Pakistan-China is deepening of India-USA alliance. The Pakistani army generals know they will be at a disadvantage if that happens.
Uzbekistan, Kirghizstan, Tajikistan have little in the way of natural resources
petrochemical is capital intensive with little in the way of employment

balancing China & USA is tricky even if you are not locked in a struggle with India

the development of human resources will go a long way

I wasn’t clear with what I meant. The “good deal on oil/gas” was in lieu of payment for the oil/gas traversing the territory of the country, the payment is done in the hydrocarbon, which is then offered to a petrochemical/pharmaceutical company to set up an industry in Pakistan. The government becomes a part owner in this joint venture, and it acts as a loss leader to be the initial and base subsidy. Similar to how South Korean Choebols is given preferential subsidies. Also, large conglomerates drive innovation and decrease inefficiencies, similar to TATA. so jump starting these industries this way is returning to the Pakistanis economic model before the Bhutto nationalization drive. Basically Pakistan has to made attractive to investors again.

Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan has resources, Russia and China have resources. The railway would also connect to their railway networks and their major mines and industrial hubs. Value added industries, with our large labor force could ge set up anywhere along the rail route to process or do value added work on a number of these raw materials, such as Uzbek Cotton.

Balancing China and US will be tricky but it’s the only way to go. Look at India pushing back on the US when pressed about Russian oil imports.

I agree, human development has the most potential, and to subsidies it requires modernizing the agricultural sector to generate enough surplus food for domestic consumption and export, as well as steady employment. Pakistan has the potential to grow its arable land by 55% from 45 million acres to 70 million acres if the “Pakistan Flood control System” plan is implemented. . On top of that, better seed varieties, drip irrigation with water and nutrients, as well as better pest control (not with excess pesticides but other technologies and natural methods like ladybugs) could allow higher yields. The rail network to Gwadar could allow this food to quickly get to Middle East and East African markets.

 

[313ghazi]

Another reason - lights out at 8pm.

We're literally in a military barracks now.